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Hello All,

I'm new to the forum and I'm also the guy that bought the Tipo off Ebay recently. I've been looking it over the last few days trying to get ready for the build over the winter. I have a couple of questions about the location of the horizontal stab. There are no marks on the fuselage. I assume that there would be no incidence on the stab. I think I can get a good fore/aft position but I don't have a clue where the centerline should be in relation to the fuse centerline (vertical offset). For that matter, I'm not really sure exactly where the fuse centerline is. If I knew what the wing incidence was (if any) and if I knew where the thrust line was in relation to the center line (assuming the thrust line endpoint is the center of the nose hole) , I could probably come up with a good fuse datum/center line and then I would only need to know the vertical offset of the stab (+/-) in relation to the center line. I think it's the Tipo 825 (not sure yet). It has Anhedral in the stab. Any info you can share would be greatly appreciated.

I see in the build notes that there is a build article in the Feb 80' edition of 'RC Model Builder' - anybody know where I can find that?


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Perhaps the [link=http://www.trentonrcflyers.com/pattern/articles-plans-instructions.htm]plans on this page[/link] can help you find the references you need.

Best regards,

George

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So who was the former champ taht owned the model?

Dave

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The plans posted are for the classic Tipo 720 - the first design of the series. On that design, the stab centerline was along the extension of the tuck line toward the rear of the fuselage. This line could be located by laying a straight edge level along the inflexion of the canopy tuck line. In the absence of a mark on a glass fuse, this strikes me generally as the correct location for stabs on all Tipo designs but in the absence of plans or build instructions, it can't be confirmed for a particular version.

I hope that helps,

David.

P.S. A picture of your fuse would help to ascertain what Tipo you have.

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Here are some pics. I think it's an 825. The wing plate says 825 on the back of it. If you need pics of a specific part of the fuse let me know.

As for who the champ is that owned it, I can't speak to that. I currently don't know and gave my word I wouldn't say if I did. I'm not concerned about it, it's a beautiful plane and it's going to be a lot of fun building an flying. That's all I care about.

Again, I would like to thank you guys for your time on this.

Jeff

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Thanks for the link George, that is a very informative an helpful article. You are correct about he tuck line David - from the artice "Please note that the tuck line and the stab line are the same". This should get me what I need. Thanks for the help guys.

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I just found one of these unbuilt. So what is the correct name?

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Okay . . . After much research on my part I assume the correct name of this plane is the Tiporare 825 dubbed the Hippo Tippo, because of its size.

When I saw the picture in post 32 of the plane with the pipe indent in the fuse and the Circus Circus insignia it brought back memories.
I’ve seen this plane years ago and it shook my memory. I liked the paint scheme on this plane and plan to copy it.

If I’m wrong on the name of the plane, please correct me.

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From what I know, you are correct with the name, nickname.

Jeff

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Jeff,
Again thanks for the copies .

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Tiporare...information!

The Hippo was the 825" and the photo, I believe is Donny Weitz, former manager of Circus Hobbies. I just received a Tipo 750, ready to cover (it is freak'n gorgeous) built by Dick Hanson. The model has litlle notes on all of the parts from Dick and included the hand written instructions/dimensions of the 750 and 825.

I was planning to scan them and do a special thread celebrating Dick's fantastic work.

Rusty Dose
Team Futaba

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hello everyone I have been reading this post wich has alot of great info. I have 2 curares and 2 tipos not sure wich ones but the tipos are much larger than the curare I aslo have a bridie xlt all bought a few years ago at the sale in perry Ga. I am not a pattern flyer but would love to learn mainly just like the speed and the great way these planes fly but now I have bought a plane that I can find almost no info on and would like any feedback anyone can give It is a Jekyll the plane is already built but I dont known the cg or anything else on this plane I have only been flying for about 4 years so this may be easy for some but I havent figured out how to do this on my own and the plane is a good looking airplane and would hate to crash it because I had a bad cg or incodence on the wing any info would be helpfull thanks

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Chris,

a new thread with your question about the Jekyll will help to get your answer. It's too buried in here.

If I'm not mistaken, the Jekyll was designed by Chip Hyde who posts here from time to time. You could send him a PM directly. I think there might also be a thread on the Jekyll somewhere in the forum.

The wing plan in this post will show you how to determine the CG aerodynamically (at the intersection of the 25% chord line and the MAC line). A little search on Google will bring you lots of good info on this. The rest would be fine tuning after a test flight.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9500059

Also, show us some pics of your goods!

David.

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here is a pic of the jekyll ill get pics of the curare and tiporare soon pay no attention to the messy build room

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pitstop does the wing go threw the fuse on that pic you posted or does the picture just make it look that way mine bolts on from the bottom so it made me curious also that is a great looking paint job on that one. Mine is still unpainted but could never do a nice job like that may have to find someone for that.

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Chris

The wing is mounted on the bottom, Low wing.

You can also see the tunnel that’s molded in the Fiberglass fuse for the Pipe.

The pictures are from the 1983 Nats at Westover AFB in Mass, the pilots were from Circus Hobbies.

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Man! Why don't I ever find pattern ships like that being given away by someone!?

Sweet looking Jekyll Chris!

Check everything before you take her up. Looks can be deceiving.

David.

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yes I see the molding for the pipe mine doesnt have that the more research I do starting to think I have a great planes version of it but not sure if they have always built it. I dont know much about them other than I like the way they fly

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Chris,

as far as we know only the Hippo Tippo (Hippo because of the 825 squares) has a molded recess in the side of the fuse for the pipe. All other earlier versions carried the pipe under the wing - mostly with side mounted SE engines. Later versions were designed for 4 stroke engines and I believe that they were conceived for inverted mount engines.

The most graceful to me are the designs with pipes tucked into the wing belly, or, better yet, those with enclosed pipes.

David.

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mine is pretty large I actually had a ys110 on it for awhile

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As for who the champ is that owned it, I can't speak to that. I currently don't know and gave my word I wouldn't say if I did. I'm not concerned about it, it's a beautiful plane and it's going to be a lot of fun building an flying. That's all I care about.


I just wonder if the former champ was Jim Oddino ? He is on the west coast, his name has not come up in a long time.

Crank

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Yesterday I received a large envelope from the guy who gave me my Tipo 825.I say gave because he would only take $125 for the plane, even though he knew about this thread. I finally have the complete instructions for this bird.

Jeff (Ace913) gave me copies of the paperwork that came with his bird, but I assumed that there was more. Except for the handwritten pages there are 5 more pages and 2 pages of the wing and stab detail, plus information on how to make the anhedral stab adjustable and information on making the anhedral stab elevator conection internal. Very Cool info.

I read thru the papers quickly and a note caught my eye about marks on the fuse.

Well I have to say I’ve looked at the fuse many times and today I finally saw/felt them. They are only on the side without the indent for the pipe.

I feel like such a shmuck for never finding them until now.

I always have been looking on the pipe side. Nobody said they were only on one side.

In his papers there is also a template for the stab cutout.

There is a + at the rear and a – at the front, on the fuse locating the correct stab position.

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All:

I thought I would offer what little info I have on the two planes. Attached are two photos of the planes. the photos were taken when the planes were hanging on the ceiling of an Austin TX. hobbyshop. the planes were in a shop woned by Rick Schafer. Rick may be familiar to some of you as a former Bob Violett rep. I met Rick when he and I flew a lot of ducted fans in the late 1980's and thru the 1990's. Anyway, Rick had the planes for sale in his shop. When he closed the shop he sold the planes (to whom I do not know). Last year Chip Hyde came to a local pattern contest in the San Antonio TX area hosted by Archie Stafford. I showed the pictures to Chip and he told me, if memory serves me correctly) that the planes were his at one time. He did identyify the plane with the inverted engine as being e Hipo Tipo. According to Chip, the plane was made for him by Ron Gilman. I drew from the conversation that both were his but I am not positive and I certainly am not trying to contradict what others have said in this thread. i am simply relating the covnersation as I recall it.

Geroge (GP G-rod): Although I did not grow up in Calif., I was stationed at Edwards Air Force base from 1970 to 1980 and then again in the mid 1980's. I started flying pattern in Santa Maria CA. in 1985 and I can remember going to Mile Square, or Lancaster and being one of many pilots entered in an event. The largest field I remember is about 88 pilots at an event at Lancaster, San Bernadino or Mile Square in 1985 or 86. I was flying novice with a reworked Kaos with a K&B 60. I was mentored in thos days by central CA pilots Tony Plebanek, Mac Patterson and Dennis Galloway. Sorry to say that all of their help didn't really help my flying but I had fun. I got back into pattern in the early 90's while living in Denver CO. and then out after few years I reentered in 2007 and am having fun with the current pattern community.

Speaking of Tipos, I bought the one in the attached photo a few years ago and refinished it. Maiden flight yeaterday reminded me of the one I flew in events in 1987.
Anyway, This thread really brings back fond memories.

Ed Valls

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Great info Ed,

those Circus Circus Tipos are the paradigm for American classic pattern models. If they are still intact, I wonder in who's hands they may be.

David.

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David:

I don't know where they are but it would be nice to find them. I only wish I had had the interest and the money when I saw them years ago. You never know where they may turn up. In fact, about two years ago I bought a Tiger Tail III that Ron Chidgey few in the 1979 Nats. I was told by the seller, whom I respect for his classic pattern knowledge that the plane had the original Webra Balck Head with a DYnamix carb. I got the plane complete with servos (Futaba S28's if I recall), retracts, engine and pipe. I also got a photo with Ron and the plane at the 79 Nats. The plane still has the original Red, White and Blue paint scheme with his AMA number on it. I have put only 2 flights on it and I try to be very careful with the plane since I believe that it has a certain historic value, even if only to a few people.

I believe that there are a few threads on the Tiger Tails so rather than go off thread here, I will find a thread to post some photos and info.

Ed