Pattern Flying Forum Structure
 

The “Classic Pattern” forum has been in operation for quite a few years now and I think it has grown faster and larger than any of us could have predicted when we started. I’m still amazed! I’ve even noticed that most often in the last year or so that there is more activity here than there is in the “Contemporary Pattern” forum. It seems to me that now would be a great time to restructure the layout of the RCU forum menus so that the “Contemporary Pattern”, “Classic Pattern” and “Electric Pattern” have the same ranking.

I propose that the structure be changed so the main link be “Pattern Flying” then “Contemporary Pattern”, “Classic Pattern” and “Electric Pattern” each having separate links rather than the current arrangement of the “Classic Pattern” and “Electric Pattern” being sub forums. This layout provides independence for each forum and more forum functions, like polls, etc.

Here is an example of how it was done in the “Pylon Universe” section. When you click “Pylon Universe” you get this listing http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/forumid_323/tt.htm

What do you all think? I would have made this a poll but our forum does not have that feature.

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great idea. i thought the classic pattern has been far more active for several years (2-3).

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I’ll second that!!

Your proposed structure makes sense to me.

Giving “Classic Pattern” its own real forum is just what we need, isn’t it guys?

To me this proposed format will show us as a stronger group.

Please respond here guys and help 8178 get this done.

It will just help “The Classic Pattern Movement” as I like to refer to it.

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Great idea 8178!

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Your on the MONEY! Let's do it.

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I say leave it as it is. It's easier for me to navigate to the Classic and electric forums the way that it is. Besides, pattern is pattern.

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I don't see how you can say that when there are so many different divisions already. Think about it.

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I for one like to look at the classic forums, but wouldn't go out of my way to do it. Keep all of the pattern related discussions in the same area, just don't intermingle them. It's fine the way it is. I can spend five minutes catching up here, or spend 25 minutes searching the entire site. My day only has 24 hours, and I like to minimize wasted time as much as possible. The split from the normal pattern forum was great, as I got tired of hearing some people say that modern pattern is garbage, and how much better classic stuff was/is. I have an interest in classic pattern, but I'm an AMA pattern flyer.

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Good idea, I back it up

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I don’t think you’ll have any problems navigating, that’s not the issue.

Pattern is pattern, Huh, I don’t think so. If it was, this forum wouldn’t be here.

Interesting, you’re an AMA pattern Pilot, and what do you think all the guys that flew these planes were? I think they were AMA pattern Pilots Too!!!

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You're exactly right, Paul. They WERE AMA pilots.

If this isn't pattern, then change the name and don't include pattern in the title. I'm pretty sure that you're judged on how round your loops are, and how well your rolls are centered, regardless of which discpline you persue. There definitely isn't a scale requirement for either. Furthermore, the airplanes that are popular here are quite legal still in modern pattern, though their degree of competitiveness would vary. That seems to be pattern to me. As I said, I'm interested in classic pattern, I've even got a project airplane that midly qualifies (T2A MKIV). I'm not poo-pooing classic pattern at all, I just enjoy the three pattern forums being grouped together.

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I don't understand the debate.

Isn't Mike simply proposing that ALL pattern have the same ranking? Having a "Pattern" category with sub-forums if I understand correctly.

I'm for equal ranking but I don't really understand what advantage this would bring to classic and electric (other than polls) or, for that matter, what disadvantage that would bring to people like Ryan who spend more time in the "contemporary" forum.

If I'm interested in a forum, I simply have a link to it - there's no navigation issue. In fact, I don't even ever use the links because my browser just opens up the RCU pages I'm interested in automatically.

I've never dug particularly deep but what I think would be useful is a directory of all the thread contained within a particular forum. Something that can be sorted alphabetically or chronologically (this part already exists) - on a single page. Let it be miles long - that doesn't bother me. Basically a forum index. Maybe this exists but I believe that as it stands you have to move forward page by page to navigate things - THIS is time consuming as one has to wait for each page to load. Of course, I'm aware of the search function.

David.

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David,

I agree what what you are saying. I thought that the original post was intended to essentially scatter the forums about. A pattern forum, with subforums of equally ranked sub-forums is fine with me. I just like having all three in the same place. Many times I will log on to RCU from a computer that's not mine, and it's quicker to just go to one place rather than three.

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Ryan,

I think everyone's on the same page in that case. Check the structure for the Pylon area that Mike posted.

I think the object here is to provide equal ranking and further functionality to classic and electric (although I'm not sure what that is).

David.

RE: Pattern Flying Forum Structure
 

Notes to self.

1. Read first.
2. Understand text read.
3. Formulate thoughtful, relevant response.

Sorry for needlessly upping my post count, guys. Proceed.

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Good idea... but... in, say, fifteen years' time when, for example, the Azurit and Osmose are classics, will old threads in the "Contemporary Pattern" forum be automatically moved to the "Classic Pattern" forum?

Sorry, couldn't resist... :D :D :D

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In 2030:

Classic will be called Vintage - the Dawn of R/C Aerobatic Days, Contemporary will be called Classic - The Days of Glow and Electric Power and Contemporary will be called Pattern - Precision Flying & Nanotechnology Thrust Vectoring... :)

Sadly, we probably will no longer have props.

David.

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Pentium 4 or earlier processor, Max 40 Gig Hard Drive, 28.8 Kbs or slower modem, 256MB RAM . . .
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NO optical mouses, only the kind with the little ball and plastic rollers that accumulate crud and work erratically. . .
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pitstop000/Paul, only information to be complete.

We are not all AMA patern Pilots, see the picture.
Maybe there are even more FAI pilots, just as I was.

Cees

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objection your honor! argumentative!

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I’m suggesting that the menu structure be changed so it looks like the Pylon forum. It also improves the ability for new RCU folks to find the forum they are looking for.

It would be helpful if we could collect as many comments as possible so the RCU management knows we want this improvement.

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I like the idea as well. I say, lets do it.

David

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look around :)



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This cuts through to the point. I am in.

-Robert

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Ditto, I say just do it! http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../msn/49_49.gif
hhok

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Hi,

I vote for same type of structure a Pylon forum, just a main headline (without any posts) and then the sub forums where You make posts.

/Bo

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my vote is for shamelessly copying the Pylon forum

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I'm in also. Let's just do it!

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Sounds like everyone is in agreement!

Mike, other than navigability (is that a word!?) and ranking, are there other RCU advantages to the proposed new structure?

Changing it is great but it would be nice to know if and how it may benefit current and new members.

David.

RE: Pattern Flying Forum Structure
 

I’m not sure of all of the benefits but the ability to have polls is one of them. I think the main advantage would be a cleaner structure that is clearer and less confusing. The way it is structured now one might think that the “Contemporary Pattern” section is presented first because there is more activity there, or it has greater importance but as we have all observed over the last few years that is not the case.

The original idea for the “Classic Pattern” forum was mine, I helped sell the idea to the RCU management and I would like to see it go to the next level. As you all know I’ve also spent an incredible amount of my time here posting detailed build threads and helping the forum grow.

I’d like to see more comments and then I’ll ask the RCU management to review our thread and ask them if they would comply with our wishes.

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Gents/8178 , times go bye,
There is not enough known and written in the threads about the history of pattern flying. It is my opinion about that by a lot of facts I discover. As times goes bye they will be forgotten forever, for example my project about the Oldest Taurus on Earth. This Taurus was reality and for me my thread is one of the last public possibilities to save this part of an old history, the first period of pattern flying.

Speaking about pattern, there is more attention now for “modern” period of classic pattern, retracts, pipes etc.
It will be better to bring the subject “Pattern Flying” on a higher level, so the “Pylon” structure is better I think and the result can be, classic pattern will get more attention in the future and publications with more result.

Remarkable for me is, this thread of 8178 is started in ”classic”, so I do not know how the “modern, modern” pattern flyers do think about the new structure because they will do a step back I think.
Cees

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Me too!!

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I agree with the proposed restructuring.

AMA25301
SPA444

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Restructuring is OK by me.

Tom

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Gents, for who is interested? In Classic Pattern Flying? These people!

A short note about a post I still remember from the thread of CAsniffer,

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=7521083

Also for these people/pilots it will be a profit to have an easy way to find the threads of Classic Pattern Flying..


Cees

RE: Pattern Flying Forum Structure
 

What’s the status with the proposal , Bump.;)

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What’s the status with the proposal?

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Forum change...cheers to 8178!

Reality: Not everyone who visits the "pattern" forum, EVER visits the "Classic Pattern" forum or even knows to visit. This is based on traveling the country, attending shows, receiving calls as an NSRCA officer, F3A Team fund raising and the stuff that I write here on R C U (literally 100,000's of hits on initiated threads).

R C U Police: I view the R C U police as inconsistent at best and biased most often.

Possible Solutions:

Maybe I should simply pick up my words and set-up in another sand box?

My personal desire to create and share information that is satisfying and relevant to others will continue. The brain surgeons who run R C U must not recognize the fact that the participants are "driving by" and in their travels may need to be reminded or their interest peeked via a compeling thread in an adjacent forum like the "pattern" forum or the "classic pattern" forum or vice versa. The fact that threads are "MOVED" is truly nutty.

The very reason the Classic Pattern-Trader was created is a function of the disfunction of R C U! The fact that I must write R C U to prevent the sensorship is a prime example.

Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
"No good deed goes unpunished"

RE: Pattern Flying Forum Structure
 

Thanks for all the input. I sent Nathan a request to make the change on the 22nd and I’m awaiting his response.

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Thanks for your efforts 8178.