Cox .049 question
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Question for you cox .049 guys, i know i can install a TD piston and cylinder on a golden bee.But will it increase the rpms? is there shimming that will have to be done?
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Jim
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Jim,
All Cox .049 engines have the same stroke, so the TD cylinder and piston should not require much in the way of head shims over a stock TD.
Here is a great article by Paul Gibeault that may help you to set up your GB properly. You will probably have to drill out the venturi to get the best performance.
http://coxengines.ca/files/MRP.pdf
Good luck with your hop up!
Bill
All Cox .049 engines have the same stroke, so the TD cylinder and piston should not require much in the way of head shims over a stock TD.
Here is a great article by Paul Gibeault that may help you to set up your GB properly. You will probably have to drill out the venturi to get the best performance.
http://coxengines.ca/files/MRP.pdf
Good luck with your hop up!
Bill
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Jim,
All Cox .049 engines have the same stroke, so the TD cylinder and piston should not require much in the way of head shims over a stock TD.
Here is a great article by Paul Gibeault that may help you to set up your GB properly. You will probably have to drill out the venturi to get the best performance.
http://coxengines.ca/files/MRP.pdf
Good luck with your hop up!
Bill
All Cox .049 engines have the same stroke, so the TD cylinder and piston should not require much in the way of head shims over a stock TD.
Here is a great article by Paul Gibeault that may help you to set up your GB properly. You will probably have to drill out the venturi to get the best performance.
http://coxengines.ca/files/MRP.pdf
Good luck with your hop up!
Bill
Again thanks and take acre.
Jim
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Yes, you can install a TD piston, cylinder and the high compression glowhead.
NO, do not just randomly install any number of head shims. Every High compression head has a squish band;
the distance from the band to the inside head chamber must be measured so that you can add that distance
to the head shims to get a total of .012"-.015" deck clearance. The higher the nitro content of your fuel, the more
deck(head) clearance you need, or you'll blow the element out of those expensive #1702 glowheads.
I used this range in my 1/2A Combat engines and got really good reliability, using 30%-38% nitro fuel.
I also used .012"-.014" head clearance in my class 1 reed valve mouse race engines. I got really good reliability and
fuel range using 30% and 40% nitro fuel.
Okay, you're not done; all Cox engines usually need to have the cylinder shimmed to raise the cylinder shelf
that's the thing the glow head with head shims rests against. The piston at top dead center MUST be even
with that cylinder shelf. Later I'll edit in where you can get those brass cylinder shims from. They come in a set
that usually has a .001", .002" and maybe a .003" size shim.
My best reed valve mouse engine would turn 22,500 rpm without breaking, using a breakin test prop.
One last thing, for Reed Valve Mouse racing, DO NOT Drill out the venturi. The more you open it up,
the worse your fuel consumption becomes. I apprenticed Class 1 with Joe Klause and John McCollum that at
the time were one of the top Mouse cl-1 racing teams in the country. They used the small .062" venturi
and added nitro into their fuel, until they got the best acceptable fuel range and speed in their models.
Of course, if you just want to sport fly with your Golden Bee, then you can ignore everything I've suggested.
But please do be mindful of the glow head squish band measurement. That's something everyone with TD
engine setups should be mindful of. Best of luck to you

Tony
Hi Again, The guy you can get TD cylinder shims from sells on ebay. His ebay name is Combatalbert.
Here's a contact link, so that you may ask him about the shim availability.:
http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...d=371124032089
Best regards....
Last edited by paw080; 08-25-2014 at 06:29 PM. Reason: mas..
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Hi again Jim, I thought I'd best clarify and validate my comment about the squish
band dimension. Dale Kirn along with several 1/2A speed flyers did the leg work.
Dale found that the squish band ledge varied drastically for Cox #1702 glowheads
produced after the middle 1970's. The squish band ledges measured from .002"s
all the way to a .023" extreme. Like I said earlier; you should measure this space
to know how many .005" copper head shims to use for your desired head clearance.
If you don't know who Dale Kirn was, You'll find what you want via google.
Tony
band dimension. Dale Kirn along with several 1/2A speed flyers did the leg work.
Dale found that the squish band ledge varied drastically for Cox #1702 glowheads
produced after the middle 1970's. The squish band ledges measured from .002"s
all the way to a .023" extreme. Like I said earlier; you should measure this space
to know how many .005" copper head shims to use for your desired head clearance.
If you don't know who Dale Kirn was, You'll find what you want via google.
Tony



