Prop Balancing
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I know there's been a million threads on prop balancing, but I always question whether I'm doing it right (also the search just keeps hanging). So, I thought I'd post and see if somebody can confirm or correct my method.
I usually use clear nail polish on the light end of the prop. My question is, should I be applying the nail polish to the tip or base of the blade? The back or the face? Also, which is which? I can never seem to remember.
Another related question while we're talking props. I have an electric plane that I bought a master airscrew k-series prop for. Is there going to be an issue with using the k-series on an electric? If I remember correct, isn't it the other way around? Using an electric prop on an ICE is bad? Just want to be safe.
Thanks for the help.
I usually use clear nail polish on the light end of the prop. My question is, should I be applying the nail polish to the tip or base of the blade? The back or the face? Also, which is which? I can never seem to remember.
Another related question while we're talking props. I have an electric plane that I bought a master airscrew k-series prop for. Is there going to be an issue with using the k-series on an electric? If I remember correct, isn't it the other way around? Using an electric prop on an ICE is bad? Just want to be safe.
Thanks for the help.
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When balancing a prop I think sanding the front or back is irrelevant as long as balance is the important factor. I would not add more weight to the opposite side as the whole objective is efficiency.
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I'm no expert. I will take a stab at ? 1 and 2 as well.
If a lot of weight is needed applying it out at the tip is going to mean a lot more per gram. It probably doesn't matter , but I also agree with jw to remove weight rather than add it. I have taken the approach that IF I had to write on my prop I would add weight with a marker , but if not then I will sand weight off. I imagine it is so insignificant that it doesn't matter. Also my ? isn't really answered either , but jw is probably right about that as well. It may not matter. I was concerned about roughing up the biting face of the prop.
sorry I can't even guess about the other ? you have. Again, I'm no expert, but the few props I've worked with have me convinced that getting the prop on straight without runout is as important if not more important than the actual balance. Some of mine aren't too good though. The cheap models I have are poor quality.
If a lot of weight is needed applying it out at the tip is going to mean a lot more per gram. It probably doesn't matter , but I also agree with jw to remove weight rather than add it. I have taken the approach that IF I had to write on my prop I would add weight with a marker , but if not then I will sand weight off. I imagine it is so insignificant that it doesn't matter. Also my ? isn't really answered either , but jw is probably right about that as well. It may not matter. I was concerned about roughing up the biting face of the prop.
sorry I can't even guess about the other ? you have. Again, I'm no expert, but the few props I've worked with have me convinced that getting the prop on straight without runout is as important if not more important than the actual balance. Some of mine aren't too good though. The cheap models I have are poor quality.
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I'm no expert. I will take a stab at ? 1 and 2 as well.
If a lot of weight is needed applying it out at the tip is going to mean a lot more per gram. It probably doesn't matter , but I also agree with jw to remove weight rather than add it. I have taken the approach that IF I had to write on my prop I would add weight with a marker , but if not then I will sand weight off. I imagine it is so insignificant that it doesn't matter. Also my ? isn't really answered either , but jw is probably right about that as well. It may not matter. I was concerned about roughing up the biting face of the prop.
sorry I can't even guess about the other ? you have. Again, I'm no expert, but the few props I've worked with have me convinced that getting the prop on straight without runout is as important if not more important than the actual balance. Some of mine aren't too good though. The cheap models I have are poor quality.
I'm no expert. I will take a stab at ? 1 and 2 as well.
If a lot of weight is needed applying it out at the tip is going to mean a lot more per gram. It probably doesn't matter , but I also agree with jw to remove weight rather than add it. I have taken the approach that IF I had to write on my prop I would add weight with a marker , but if not then I will sand weight off. I imagine it is so insignificant that it doesn't matter. Also my ? isn't really answered either , but jw is probably right about that as well. It may not matter. I was concerned about roughing up the biting face of the prop.
sorry I can't even guess about the other ? you have. Again, I'm no expert, but the few props I've worked with have me convinced that getting the prop on straight without runout is as important if not more important than the actual balance. Some of mine aren't too good though. The cheap models I have are poor quality.
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If you just sand the the finish off until the prop balances there is no structural issues. However, if you find yourself sandind the blade down then maybe it's time to switch brands. Xoar is an awesome prop that requires little to no balancing. Yes, you will pay more however it means more airtime and less time on the ground.
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Do you sand the face or the back when you balance your props? Also, what grit sand paper do you usually use.
I found a decent answer to my k-series prop question. It's perfectly alright to use k-series props on electric motors, but because of their weight it's recommended that you reprogram the esc for a soft start.
I found a decent answer to my k-series prop question. It's perfectly alright to use k-series props on electric motors, but because of their weight it's recommended that you reprogram the esc for a soft start.
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Running an IC prop on electric is perfectly safe (as long as you stay within its rev limit) but IC props have to be much stronger to withstand the huge torque changes as the engine fires so the inner 1/3 of the blade is a bit thicker (and thus heavier) than aerodynamically necessary.
An electric motor on the other hand provides an almost constant torque so the prop can be designed to better suite aerodynamic needs.
So when running an IC prop on electric it will work fine but some of the precious electric is being wasted. A suitable e prop will generate the same thrust but require a bit less current to do it
"Slow fly" props take this even further with very thin blades and very small bosses. Still more efficient but fragile and strictly rev limited.
Personally I always sand the front face of a prop to balance it but only at the tip and make sure I keep the blade profile.
If required it is always possible to restore the origianl surface finish with progressively finer 'wet and dry' sand papers.
An electric motor on the other hand provides an almost constant torque so the prop can be designed to better suite aerodynamic needs.
So when running an IC prop on electric it will work fine but some of the precious electric is being wasted. A suitable e prop will generate the same thrust but require a bit less current to do it
"Slow fly" props take this even further with very thin blades and very small bosses. Still more efficient but fragile and strictly rev limited.
Personally I always sand the front face of a prop to balance it but only at the tip and make sure I keep the blade profile.
If required it is always possible to restore the origianl surface finish with progressively finer 'wet and dry' sand papers.
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I run Xoar on my EF Extra 300 and I have to say that it's a very conservative prop. I'm running 8s5000 packs with a Castle Ice 100 on a 320kv. motor swinging an 18X8 Xoar. 1649watts@50amps and comes down cold. Vertical is more than enough.
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So when running an IC prop on electric it will work fine but some of the precious electric is being wasted. A suitable e prop will generate the same thrust but require a bit less current to do it
So when running an IC prop on electric it will work fine but some of the precious electric is being wasted. A suitable e prop will generate the same thrust but require a bit less current to do it
On a somewhat related note, I was having a bear of a time trying to balance this particular prop. After rebalancing the blades like three times, I finally figured out that the blades are actually fairly well balanced, and that the hub was the out of balance culprit. I think this is the first time I've ever had to balance the hub of a prop. I have it pretty well balanced now, so all that's left is to throw it on the plane and test it out.



