RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

LET US STEER AWAY FROM MOTORS, AND RETURN TO YGE AND ICE ESC's ...
<span style="font-size: medium">YGE ESC's; and SunriseModel ICE ESC's, HobbyKing YEP ESC's, HiModel "FLY ICE" ESC's </span>(-and also the older HobbyKing "Dlux Helidrive" ESC's -which have now been discontinued...)
<u><span style="font-size: medium">THE STORY:</span></u>
see: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11469073
-This takes us to an RCG thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1619738
Title: "... HeliDrive = Himodel = YGE ??!! ..." -started in March 2012</p>

Just one thing to point out: For those who are not aware:
The SunriseModel ICE ESC's FIRST apppeared on the HobbyKing site as"Dlux HeliDrive ESC's". These were all identical to SunriseModel ICE ESC's, and were made by them. They used the Sunrise ICE / YGE program card.
-Then: Sometime later in 2012, theseESC'sre-appeared on the HK website, but were now called "YEP" ESC's (obviously they chose a name very similar to YGE ..! -to make us all connect these ESC's with YGE ...)</p>

-However, the name "Dlux" has now been used by HK for a TOTALLY different range of ESC's -the "Turnigy dlux" Data Logging range of ESC's -and these are NOTHING to do with SunriseModel at all -These Turnigy dlux ESC''s are all made by the Sunray Technology factory; see: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11452486 post #43 onwards.
-Basically, "Turnigy dlux" ESC's are EXACTLY the same as Hacker X-Pro, E-F Airboss, Hyperion Titan ESC's -and others -but are 30% of the cost of Hacker and Airboss -AND they also do data logging just like a Jet SPIN ESC, where data stored by the ESC can be read by a program box after the flight.</p>

ANYWAY, THE ABOVE RCG THREAD,GIVES SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE YGE / SUNRISEMODEL ICE/ HK YEP ESC'S ...
-Thought you might be interested ...</p>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

I do not think it is appropriate to discuss the whole "Sunray motor brand" issue any further on this thread.
If anyone wishes to contribute, then please do so <span style="font-size: small">HERE:</span> http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11...mpage_7/tm.htm
Please DOput your very valued opinions and wise thoughts and experience on this thread. -It would be really great if more people would contribute to this particular thread.
<span style="font-size: medium">PLEASE <u>DO</u> POST ON THIS THREAD.</span>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

No worries from me about the the direction this thread went. I think I have decided
on a motor but now need to do the battery thing.

Reading through the threads I see some of you are running 4600 mah and
others stick with the 5000 mah. packs and 25C - 30C seems to be the correct
range.

The Zippy 5000 compact seem popular and honestly are more in my price range
unless it is false economy. I read the tread on the Dinogy (sp) and they seem
reasonable... What else should I be looking for?

Thank you again for the help.

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

What class are you flying? I can get through the Advanced sequence with power to spare using 4400 packs. I'm running the 30C Dinogy 4400 packs this season. So far I like them a bunch. But it all comes down to throttle management. i have a friend who flies FAI and he uses 4400 packs most of the time. For the F sequence he sometimes uses a 40C 4400 or a 5000 pack. But in general the 4400 works fine for him.

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

I would only be doing basic or the next up. I actually have never flown in a contest.
Guess I am a precision sport flyer! :-)

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

I do not think it is appropriate to discuss the whole "Sunray motor brand" issue any further on this thread.
If anyone wishes to contribute, then please do so <span style="font-size: medium">HERE:</span> <span style="font-size: small">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11426913/mpage_7/tm.htm</span>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

</p>

ON THE RCG THREAD: jjmouris states: "... It has been said that YGE ESC's are made in China, so this would be the Chinese finding another route to the market ..."</p>

Then we have: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...p;postcount=76
Letter from Heino Jung, the owner of YGE -he seems to try and say that "... SunriseModel has stolen the YGE software and have used it with a changed hardware... "
He then tries to state that "... YGE controllers are completely made in Germany and they test each one ..."</p>

But then later in the thread, DownUnderPilot states: <span style="font-size: small">"... I have heard from a source who shall remain nameless that YGE controllers actually are not manufactured where they are claimed to be..."</span>

-My interptretation of the YGE / SunriseModel situation -until someone proves otherwise -is that all YGE ESC's<span style="font-size: small"> ARE</span> , in fact,made at the SunriseModel factory in China.
However,SunriseModel also decided to make some of these very same ESC's for themselves, using a slightly older version of the YGE software that they had from YGE, and then sell these ESC's as "SunriseModel ICE" ESC's -quite independently of YGE.
-This type of business practise is very common in China. For instance you will find the same factories that make Fliton planes, or Parkzone / Horizon Hobby planes, selling the EXACT same planes themselves to other outlets, but with a different colour scheme and a different name ... -and the price is often 1/3 that of the "name brand" ...</p>

Going back to ICE ESC's; Then: HobbyKing buy the ICE ESC's from SunriseModel, and re-brands them as "YEP" ESC's.
HiModel also get them, and re-brand them as "HiModel FLY ICE ESC's".

<span style="font-size: small">-And the end result is that we have both HobbyKing and HiModel selling ESC's which are completely <span style="font-size: medium">IDENTICAL</span>to YGE ESC's, for 1/3 or less than the price ofthe same YGE ESC ...
</span><span style="font-size: medium"> Its a Jungle out there... </span></p>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

I hear some very good reports about Haiyin LiPo - http://www.haiyinstore.com/terms.asp
Some people say that Haiyin might be the factory which make Turnigy LiPo's ...
http://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t692184p1/
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1539978
Haiyin are actually a LiPo manufacturer, not just a re-brander or a company that just assembles packs from individual cells ...</p>

Some people say Gens Ace LiPo is good; Evidently they recently changed the factory where their LiPo's are made, and they are not as good as before.</p>

I use two 5S Turnigy Nano-Tech 4400mAh 65C for my 2m and larger planes</p>

( http://www.socal-rc.com/forum/showth...84&amp;t=16755 )</p>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

Dr.Motor
Enough already - PLEASE!!

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

You are really not going to need 5,000 packs unless you need the weight.

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

He won't stop until he is banned. He has 28 of the 57 posts in this thread. Talk about a thread Hijack!!!!

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

That shouldn't take too much longer, I have nukes on their way to two moderators.

Sadly, he'll probably just create a sock accouint and return, like he did at RCG.I think it would be in everyone's best interest if he'd start his own forum. He should call it RC Rubber Room.


Rob

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The moderators should track his IP address, it will probably be in China, as that page he talks over and over is a hoax, the manufacturer I mean.

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

I have strong evidence he isn't in China but near Bristol, UK. Seems the Doctor has a long track record on the other forums of this same behavior. He has Multiple bans from RCG.

</p>

And, to clarify a point I was challenged on in a rude PM from DrMotor, what I mean by "nukes" is thorough documentation of your failed business, AllFlight and your practices, as well as other information I do not intend (at least at this point) to post on a public forum out a basic human decency. And, I have started informing vendors, like Chris Hinson of Extreme Flight abouthis claims he is "Just a rebrander". I will be in touch with Horizon Hobby Monday morning. I'm sure they will be very interested in what is being posted about their products and pricing policies.</p>

Rob</p>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

Yeap, with you on his approach, he has been systematically insisting on the same message over and over again, and when I went to check out this "Sunray" website just for curiosity, it revealed a web which is not in accordance to a company which produce all he says, it in my opinion harmful to those who are new to certain aspects of the hobby.

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

A totally and absolutely ridiculous comment. I am a Medic ... nothing at all to do with Sunray Technology.
The <span style="font-size: small">ONLY</span> reason Sunray have nothing on their website, is because they are a huge OEM company, they do not sell directly to the public, and only supply re-sellers like Hacker, Extreme Flight, Hyperion, Shulman Aviation FURY, Gens Ace and all the other 30 or 50 re-sellers etc etc etc
-You have obviously read nothing, apereira, and are speaking from a position of substantial ignorance. see: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11426913/tm.htm and http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11215832/tm.htm
I suggest you get some information, before making any further comments.
<span style="font-size: small">I am afraid your comment just has to be competely and totally ignored.
</span>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

<span style="font-size: small">The fact that the Sunray Technology factory makes both ESC's and brushless motors for all these companies, has actually been confirmed by Extreme Flight themselves,
</span>see: http://www.extremeflightrc.com/html/news.html -in "Spring/Summer 2011 news" pictures -where Chris Hinson comments: <span style="font-size: small">"... Nelson (Fong) manufactures our Torque motors and Airboss ESCs and traveled all the way from China to attend SEFF this year ..."</span>
<span style="font-size: medium">-Note that: <u>Nelson Fong </u>is the owner of the <u>SunRay Technology factory</u>, in Shenzhen, China. </span>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

Sir, you proven my point to me a while ago, with two motors I do have where you were completely wrong and your comments were deceiving. I am an Astronaut by the way.

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

Forum posts from Common-Sense-RC:</p>

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=699373
Tram: "Well, we've been really excited about our newest venture with the CSRC Product line.
... these motors and ESCs are built to our specs<span style="font-size: small"> by the same manufacturer that produces them for some of the largest companies in the hobby" </span></p>

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...mp;postcount=6
Tram: <span style="font-size: small">"The motors and esc's come from the same place that make other <span style="font-size: medium">purple</span> motors "</span><span style="font-size: medium"> ( - !!!!!!!!! )</span></p>


ALSO: Emails From: *******@bmi-models.com:</p>

<span style="font-size: small">" ... Spitz motors and controllers come from the same manufacturer as Hacker.
</span><span style="font-size: x-small">-We (also) offer Motors / ESC -COMBO as a complete set, &hellip;all in the blister ..." </span>Best regards Bart Hetzheim BMI NV/SA</p>

<span style="font-size: small">" ... Hacker makes some of their larger motors ..in own factory .., but ..smaller motors are made by the same manufacturer as our motors, -actually PA Thrust Motors are also made by this manufacturer ..." </span>Best regards Bart Hetzheim BMI NV/SA</p>

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

DrMotor, or whatever your name is as you HIDE behind a silly nickname, you have to understand, this is not a religious forums where you are obligated to convert people to your believes, for example, I buy mostly Hacker, because I WANT, I own several other motor brands including Turnigy, probably have over 30 electric motors of different brands and I do not care to compare between all the pages on the internet, and if a guy ask about a Eflite motor, why do you have to make him go a different way?? you have NO respect for peoples preferences and choices , that is what bother most people I think specially me.

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I really have no idea what you are talking about,apereira. The fact is, I AM right.And many peoplein theindustry will also tell you I am right.
I will not be reponding to you any more, apereira. -<span style="font-size: small">You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink
</span>

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Kregan,</p>

You were asking about Dinogy batteries.  Some of my friends and I ordered some and just started flying them.  Our initial impression is very good.  I loaned my set to a kid in my club who is flying them in a contest this weekend.  I'll let you know how they perform.</p>

</p>

Rob</p>

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Could not care less, good luck with the horse....

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Kregan:
I have an E-Flite 160 om my Blackmagic V2.2. It was an YS conversion to electric. So far, I have no regrets on the conversion and am completely satisfied with the 160. I am usin a CC HV110, 20x10 prop more than sufficient powr. Verticals are long and consistant. I was using a 20x13 prop, but plane was much too fast and difficult to throttle manage. I'll have to try it again and see if I can get use to it.
I would however, in your case consider a CC HV 120 or the ice 120. when you go to the larger props, you'll be pulling more amps, perhaps pushing the limits of the ESC.

My $.02 worth.

Orlando

RE: E-flight 160 for a Brio ??
 

I'm liking them as well.We flew out in Riverside today. Very windy and my packs performed very well. Plenty of power right to the end of the flight.