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Trying to figure out motor, esc, battery choices for F3A...
Just thought I would share weights and prices with ya..
Maybe you'll find this helps out on your choices.
Possibly maybe Chad or Adam can add the Pletty info to match??
If so thanks..

Hacker c50 14xl, Hacker 77, front and rear budd mounts: 647g
$425 $219 $57 $701
Hacker c50 14xl, Hacker 90, front and rear budd mounts: 692g
$425 $389 $57 $871
With the Hacker esc's you need the programming box. $40
Now these aren't including any other bracing needed for the rear mounts.
Which in my estimation would add another 25-35 g to each figure.

Axi 5320/28 Jeti 77: 535g
$179 $175 $354
Axi 5320/28 Jeti 90: 603g
$179 $235 $414
Axi 5320/28 Spin 77: 550g
$179 $205 $384
Axi 5320/28 Spin 90: 600g
$179 $295 $474
With the spins you need the programming box $48
No rear mounting needed if you nose mount.

Axi 5330/F3A Jeti 90: 760g
$199 $235 $434
Axi 5330/F3A Spin 99: 757g
$199 $295 $494

I'm seeing the weights of the F3A motor setup and the Hacker setup to be not so far apart after doing this. It seems people weigh the motor and esc and forget about the budd mount and the extra bracing.

Now, the big difference is in the battery weights. I'm starting to accumulate the numbers on these also. Up to Masters I feel the big winner is the Flight power 3700's still or maybe the Tp prolite 4200 or the extreme 3800 or 3850's, but in Fai, the Tp 5300's still seem to lead the way. As you can see, I'm not trying to be partial to what I use.
Not sure what I'm going to do to move up to Fai.

The number I have are as follows.

Flight Power 5s 3700 442g 20c 30c 50c burst $210
Flight Power 5s 4350 577g $255
Flight Power 5s 4900 631g $305
Flight Power 5s 5000 670g $310


Thunder Power prolite 4200 472g 15c 24c $230
Thunder Power prolite 5300 560g 13c 20c $330
Thunder Power prolite 6000 627g 10c 12c $330

Thunder Power extreme 3800 480g 22c 30c 50c burst $210
Thunder Power extreme 3850 484g $215
Thunder Power extreme 4500 563g $250
Thunder Power extreme 4600 571g $250
Thunder Power extreme 5000 613g $290

These prices and weights were easily pulled off of various websites. I haven't tested many of them to be accurate as I use what I use, but they are the manufacturers stated weights. Prices vary a little depending on where you go.
I may do a glow breakdown also to see how much of a difference each setup is comparitively.



Chris

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Chris most of the guy's that are have sucess with the Hacker is using the comp C-50 which comes with the controller price is best I have found is $1100.
Steve Maxwell

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I didn't add that in purposely. It's a little lighter and alot more expensive. I figure most that are running that motor aren't probably intersted in other options anyway.
I just thought some people interested in setting up an e plane might find this info usefull.
It will be interesting to compare to glow also..

Chris

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patternflyer1



Having only recently moved to Electric I found your post Interesting.

I am using the 5330 Axi and Flight Power 3700 and have enough for 4 x 10s-1p.



I am using LIPOSACKs for storage and charging,
http://www.liposack.com
What do you or others do for security/safety.?

Arthur

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That's exactly why I started this thread..
I put my batteries on a shelf for storage. Nothing special. For charging, I watch them carefully the whole time, not leaving the garage. Unless I'm at the field. Then I charge away from my vehicle and on a bench away from my plane.
No sacks or firesafe methods at this point.
I figure, if it's time for a pack to burn, then as long as just the pack burns I'm ok with it.
I do plan on getting a fire extinguisher this year though.

I'm running the same setup as you and I love it. Just don't know how I will make weight with the Flight Power 4900's yet.

So it got me into the option of looking into the Hacker inrunner. Which I thought was a lot lighter. But when you add up the extras it's not that much lighter. So I am wondering if I will have to go back to Tp 5300's for FAI to make weight. Which is fine. They're good packs also. I just like the extra ummpphh that the Fp's and probably the TP extremes (I haven't tried them) give over the prolites.
Not that the prolites aren't adequate, because they are by far!!

I'd love to stick with what I know as I love the stuff I use.
But I'm weighing (no pun intended, I think) my options.

I think I saw somewhere that the pletty is like 560g or so. But I think you have to put a firewall in which would add a little.

So far I have only nose mounted the Axi with great success. I have heard about the nose issues with some planes. And it worries me with the lighter composite ships. But there are other options to still nose mount it without having a problem..
Currently in the Evolution I'm running it with a firewall box and an esprit mount. The motor moves around quite a bit.

Chris

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Hi Chris

((Currently in the Evolution I'm running it with a firewall box and an esprit mount. The motor moves around quite a bit.))

I also have mine on a two and a half inch esprite mount on a 72" QQ yak 12.5lbs and it is rock solid and very quiet.

on 20.5X12W APC - 79.7A - 2687w
on 20x10 APC - 60.7A - 2093

moving to 20x11 next flight.

arthur

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Yes, it's not the Esprit mount that moves, it's the firewall. The Esprit mount is great!!

What packs are you running with those numbers?

Thanks,

Chris

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I don't know which weight you used for the Hacker C50, but based on the above you may have used Hacker's listed weight of 529 grams.
Please note that this weight is misleading, as it does not include the prop driver, washer and nut. (But you wouln't fly without them.) Add approx. 30 grams for these items. Even the Competition version is more than 550 grams including these items.

Magne

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NEW 20-30-50 FLIGHTPOWER 3700. ---2 X 5S = 10S1P AND THE PACK WEIGHT IS 982grams

Arthur

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Good info, I didn't know that.
Makes me wonder. I don't think the Axi's weights are with the prop adapter either..

Thanks,

Chris

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Thanks for the info. I didn't weigh my 3700's. Just pulled the info off a popular website.

I know that you can also save a little weight if you can find them in a 10s. Which the 3700's do come in.

Chris

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Hi,

Here is my small contribution to the "useless E info" ;)

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Morten, is that first pic a cyclone?
Also, with the pletty, can you run a jeti 90 instead of a schulze?

Great info.

Thanks,
Chris

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Sure you can.

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Is there a disadvantage besides the brake to do this? I'm not too familiar with the shulze.

Thanks

C

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Provided it supports the proper timing and switching frequencies I would not think there would be any disadvantages.

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Yes, the first pic is of a Cyclone. I think they have changed the design a little since then (this motor was purchased in 2005). I also think there should be no problem in using the Jeti with a Plettenberg, however I strongly recommend that you get a controller with a proportional brake for F3A use. The new Spin series from Jeti offers this with their Spin programming box (0-80% braking), also the Hacker/Jeti Master Competition with the competition programming box (0-50% braking) offers the same.

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Thanks Morten.

I posted this info for anyone looking at their options. Just wondering if the Jeti was an option with the pletty. I will get a spin for my axi's at some point. I just haven't seen that much of a difference in a brake on and off to need one. My downlines are pretty slow with a 22x12. Not sure how they'll be once I try a 20x13. We'll see.

C

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Chris, If you had unlimited funds, which motor/esc/battery combinations would you use?

Thanks,

Rob

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Hi Rob.
Unlimited funds and choices. Hmmm.
Some will probably say I'm partial to my setup. I still would go with the axi 5330/F3A. Although, in all fairness. I heard Chad's Pletty had the most power at the nats last year. But, the Axi that wasn't propped the way mine is. Plus I don't think it was an F3A motor.

Esc. Probably the Jeti spin 99.
Batteries for up to Masters, Flight Power 10s 3700 or the equivalent Tp Extreme. For Fai, the 10s Tp 5300 at this point. It's a good pack, decent weight and is proven. I don't feel I can make weight with another pack for Fai at this point. But I haven't tried. And trust me, I will try..

Now that being said. The Pletty I saw a long time ago, didn't have the poop to go over top easily. I've heard the new pletty is great!!
The Hacker inrunners are good also. I have just witnessed several pilots goto full when pushing over the top. Still plenty of power, I just personally like the little extra.
I have not tried the schulze controllers so I don't know about them. The castles with my motor I won't comment. I haven't tried them. But I have a few of their smaller controllers.

So even if I won the lottery, I would still chose the Axi/F3A on a 22x12, probably switching to the Spin controller from the Jeti 90 for the brake. Batteries as stated. But, I haven't witnessed the new Pletty. So maybe that would change my mind.

This is at this point. When another setup comes along that I find better, I may switch. I am not stuck to a certain brand and it wasn't the reason I started this as I hope you can see.

Everyone has their personal likes about their setup which is the great thing. And each setup may not work the same in each plane.
I am keeping an open mind here as technology changes often in our sport. Heck, maybe I'll go back to an OS at some point.
Hope not, but who knows..

Chris

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I am definately thinking about going E this year. Probably would have one E and and one Glow

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That's how I'm doing it Rob. Genesis glow and Dave's old Impact E.
I really like the Axi F3a for simpicity and value. Mike

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Hey Mike, I could not agree more. I have done quite a bit of research and although Hacker seems to be the top motor for the top pilots, I think that the Axi, with the Spin 99 ESC, will be my choice. The jury is still out on the batteries though. Still doing some more research on that. It seems that they all pretty much are in the same ball park for price, and pack size. Although TP are proven, I think that are some other good companies out there. i.e. falcon batteries and tanic packs, that I am keeping an eye on. Falcon has a six month warranty on thier batteries; can't beat that with a bat. What batteries are you planning on running?

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Rob
I wish you luck in your E endeavour!! Take your time and choose wisely. Watch all your weights.
Your going to love it.

Watch who's batteries you do buy. Make sure to research well. This has been said plenty, but some companies use the same cells as big companies but they don't build the pack as well. You will pay in the long run IMO..

Chris

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Hey Rob, I am leaning on the TP 4500 extreme pack. $250x2. I'm hoping that they make it a single pack like they have done with the 5000's. I'm on the hairy edge of being too heavy with my Impact so every half ounce is critical at this point.
Do you have the link to the Falcon's? TIA, Mike