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cant wait to see this bird in the air

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Hello Ian, tank you for an interesting answer. I think it would be really nice with a fan with many blades as the real ones. The engine is in my opinion the most interesting part when buying these airplanes, the fact that they really push the plane up in the air.

But I see your point.

Regards Lars Norway

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First look at the 307 fuselage assembled

On the subject of the 301 Frontier, watch soon for video of completed model.

Larry has also written an article on the constrcution of the 305 Business Jet http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=755

http://edfmodel.com/site/images/65150.jpg

Ian.

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Beautiful airplane, Ian. As usual!

How do you get the nice glossy appearance on the paint? I have your 301 kit (cant wait to start it BTW), and I noticed the fuse was white plastic. At first I thought you got the glossy finish by painting the inside of clear plastic part, but since the parts are white, that cant be the case. Can you share how you got the nice gloss finish?

Thanks!

Jason

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I really wish he would stop posting such beautiful pictures. I have already built two of his kits, If my wife sees another box coming from Australia she will condemn me to an institution.:D

Hurricane Larry

Check it out: http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=755

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Hello Jason

Polycarbonate paint on the outside of the fuselage (use the Tamiya PS range) to add any colur strips and Tamiya PS-1 white on the inside of the nose cone. If the fuselage is white, then just leave it. The reflection is constant (or nearly). The 301 and 307 are made from the same materials. So your 301 should come up looking like below even if you paint a colour strip on outside. Obviously, gloss is best.

Ian.

http://edfmodel.com/site/images/60650.jpg

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Hello, the models are so beautiful, but isnt there anyone whitch has a MD model? MD 80/90? Passenger aircraft? Are they harder to control in the air?

Regards Lars Norway

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and by the way, is there buildt a smaller model in the world? I have always dreamed of flying a small RC airliner. Is it possible to build it half the size of Ian's models?

Lars

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Lars,

I think the issue is the size of available fans. The Wemotec Micro at 50mm is a good choice considering performance and cost. To stay close to scale you start with the 50mm fan and design the plane to fit. Maybe there are smaller high quality fans but I am unaware.

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Ian, thanks for the information. :D I have some pattern plane stuff to finish up and the 301 goes on the workbench shortly. United colors. Im telling you Ive already told my wife about the ah, eherm, 707 looking airplane you posted elsewhere, and you have my order if it happens! That one (if it happens) gets old old old United colors.

Lars, I too am planning an MD-80, and have not yet found an MD-80 model in complete kit form. However there are a few resources to check out. I hope he doesnt mind, but theres a man named Keith Sparks that will sell plans for a foam MD-80 (its a beautiful airplane if built properly, but its pusher prop. Im going to convert mine to EDF) and I believe Norbert Rouch in Germany also has a short kit (just nose, nacells and I think tail) of the MD-80 but its huge at 1/16 scale. Hope this helps.

BTW, Lars, the kits Ian sells are really a great size, and as said above, a perfect fit for some of the smaller EDF units.

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Hello, Thank you all for very interesting answers.

I love Ians models, but they are too expensive for me, and they are too beautiful to crash, so I must wait until I have even better experience with flying RC planes before I purchase one.
To ship something to Norway does cost a lot of money, but does anyone know someone that ship the E-flite Super Airliner abroad, to Norway? I havent found one that does :eek:
Hope anyone knows.

Thanks for answers. And I hope you get your MD 80 finish, it is so exciting to see others airplanes. I schould be an own EDF Airliner album to look in ;)

Regards Lars from Norway

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Lars,

I believe you know the E-Flite airliner is made of foam. That is why the cost is low. Now add up the cost of the motors, controllers and two batteries. The two motors are about $110 (USD) the controllers about $100 and the batteries are about $89 EACH for a total of $388. Does it really make sense putting that much money into 155 dollars of foam? That plane is going to cost you over $500!

Save your money and buy a high quality kit. How do I know? I bought an E-Flite Super Airliner! I am not criticizing the kit, it is complete and well designed. Reports indicate that it is a good flyer.

But my Lear Jet (EDFmodel) is outstanding check it at:http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=755

Hurricane Larry

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Hi All,

In Germany there is a guy by the name Peter Michel (http://www.michel-concorde.de/index2.html) who builds and flies awesome airliners. If I remember correctly he started by using Norbert Rauch's plans (http://rauch-airliner.com/). However these are NOT like Ian's kits. First off they are fiberglass, balsa and for turbine power. Peter Michel's Boeing 747 (Lufthansa livery) is an awesome 60kg (132lb!!!!).

In my humble opinion, if you are building airliners for the looks and performance, and if you are not planning to spend the money for a kit that costs as much as a brand new Mercedes-Benz, then build Ian's planes.

That said, just for the fun of it, check out Peter's and Norbert's Web sites.

Serdar

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Hello,

I have calculated. To ship anything into Norway is very expencive!!! Taxes and so on. The E-flite kit will be costing around 500$ yes, and thats oki I guess since it has gotten such a good reputation. But I heard from another buyer of Ians models from Norway that said his airplane costed up to 1500$ and thats a difference. Does the E.flite kit need lesser take off place than the other ones?

Its no doubt that the Ians models are much more delicate airplanes, but also more risky to fly in my opinion when the costs are so high.

Regards Lars

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Ians planes are worth the money. I also have the eflite airline but be aware that it is not really fair to compare it to Ians planes. Ians planes have a very innovative construction method that allows for a very light build and crash damage minimization. Actually the build of Ians planes really impressess me and its too bad other manufacturers dont try something different.

Anyway, the eflite airliner doesnt require a whole lot of runway, but I would imagine its not any shorter compared with any other rise off ground EDF plane. Since an EDF units ability to take off is sort of dicated by its static thrust numbers, the amount of runway is more or less going to be similar from unit to unit since they haev to build up speed to gain enough power to take off.

Also dont expect scale out of the efilte. It looks good for its price, Ill leave it at that. Ians planes are far more realistic and higher quality.

Norberts planes can be powered by EDF. Its all a matter of how much you want to spend. :D One of these winters Id like to get the DC-10 short kit from him and do 3 EDF in that. pricey though, maybe cheaper to go with one turbine instead.

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If you choose turbine, check out BMT. Propane no longer needed.

Serdar

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Ian, What is the latest information on the new 307? Have you got a release date yet? Any ideas on what type of price point it will have? Also I was wondering what motor and power set up you were thinking of going with on it. I cant wait to get my hands on at least a couple of them, so bring on the PREORDERS!:D

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Hello All

In terms of the 307, yes I will take pre-orders. I do not have any cost numbers yet. This model will be packaged with some of the hardware (if not all). Please expect the cost to reflect the kit design and hardware costs -and it is not for the beginner in anyway form what-so-ever. The 307 has taken all the feedback and experience of the 301/3/5 and design improvements have occurred.

Anyone wishing to pre-order, just email/PM me and I will return with costing information when known. In terms of supply, there are a few options here too.

The prototype Cathy model should be finished in 4-5 weeks.

The fans are the WeMoTec Midi fans. Motors -still researching but probably will be a Hacker on 5-6s. Air retracts with in/out board flaps.

Some very interesting design variations are also evolving from the 307. A lot of the parts will be inter-changeable. This idea is not new and I have often thought about it, but the 307 is our first model where this can and will happen. Nose cone here, tail cone there and presto, something else. However, all of this will be done with care. I dislike too much non-scale. So spare part replacement is going to take on a whole new meaning.

Powered up the 301 Frontier today. I have forgotten how much fun playing with engines can be.

Ian.

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Nice Job Ian
When do you expect production to begin and without a doubt no one makes a jet with as much realism we have disagreed on some things but I tip my hat to the 307.

Strong work Ian..

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For all the kind comments -thank you.

Michael, the Frontier is ready and packing begins tomorrow. So you should have it very shortly.

Pictured the 301 Frontier with the 307

http://edfmodel.com/site/images/65942.jpg

http://edfmodel.com/site/images/65940.jpg

The prototype Cathy model should be finished in 4-5 weeks. Production of 307 begins after that.

Ian.

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Video clip of Frontier taxing and engine run-up at http://www.edfmodel.com/content.asp?...&orgfn=content

Ian.

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That's sweet music, Ian! Hey, the least you could have done was give her some smooth concrete to roll on! ;)

I can't wait to get her up in the air in Denver (where she belongs!).

Michael

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More on the 307 -tail finished

Ian.

http://edfmodel.com/site/images/66509.jpg

http://edfmodel.com/site/images/66508.jpg

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Ian is up to his ears in work but sent me a picture of the 307 standing on it's own legs. The scale LG set is shown but a 4-wheel set with 2" wheels will be available for grass. Both will be retractable.

http://www.florida-showcase.com/307a.jpg

hurricane Larry in Nevada

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I just got some photos of the trial fit of the wing on the 307, looks fantastic. I wll post the picture asap.

Hurricane Larry:)