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Old 03-23-2008 | 08:18 PM
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maybe I should just scrap the FASST 2.4 ghz radio and opt for the 6 channel fm/pcm radio click here
I can run both heli and airplane with this radio

I'm totally new to anything to do with helicopters, so I'll spend most of my time right now just setting it up, working on it, and doing hovers, plus basic manuvers.
I'm really not going to be sporting any 3-d manuvers at the moment lol..

I guess I don't need the bigger radio, and I think this one I have linked will be just fine for my ability right now. I'll get some nice servos .

Do you guys think this radio would be good enough for the Belt CP?... It has to be a step up from the Esky radio right?
I think this is the radio for me..


BTW.. The stock esky system.... radio and rx... are they digital to run digital servos?
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No, No, No. Bad move Eric. A PCM/FM radio is not a good investment at this point in time, the whole world is going 2.4gHz and I can't imagine anywhere in the world except maybe Hong Kong having more interference than where you live.
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No, No, No. Bad move Eric. A PCM/FM radio is not a good investment at this point in time, the whole world is going 2.4gHz and I can't imagine anywhere in the world except maybe Hong Kong having more interference than where you live.

LOL... Buying electronics for choppers is much harder than for airplanes... I guess then I'll go with this one.. clickhere

Comes with 3 micro high speed high torque servos, so I guess it'll be ok.. has the tiny reciever too.. I'll just pick up a fast gyro servo... Whew this is work, lol, but well worth it.
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Why dont you just buy a Blade 400 and it is all done for you? I have a Belt and I love it but the 400 is a better heli. Probably by the time you get it all together you will have more in the Belt. BTW, my stock Esky radio has been flawless.
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No, No, No. Bad move Eric. A PCM/FM radio is not a good investment at this point in time, the whole world is going 2.4gHz and I can't imagine anywhere in the world except maybe Hong Kong having more interference than where you live.

LOL... Buying electronics for choppers is much harder than for airplanes... I guess then I'll go with this one.. clickhere

Comes with 3 micro high speed high torque servos, so I guess it'll be ok.. has the tiny reciever too.. I'll just pick up a fast gyro servo... Whew this is work, lol, but well worth it.
That's an excellent choice, I don't think you'll regret it By the way, I've got Three Esky 6CH tx's, One Esky 4CH, seven Esky 6CH and one 4CH receivers and too many crystal sets to count and I've had nothing but problems with them.
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I still think the blade 400 is over rated. If you're looking for something the local hobby store has and supports then it's a good choice but if you read the posts in the eflite forums not many like the stock servos (i've had those before and they do suck), many are replacing those as well and the gyro. I think if you want a good flying heli you need better servos (like the 3114) and a better gyro (like a telebee, gy240 or logictec 2100t) so regardless of belt cp or blade 400 you've got extra costs.

The system chosen lets you upgrade the radio and the servos at a great combo price, now I'd look at a better gyro.
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Why dont you just buy a Blade 400 and it is all done for you? I have a Belt and I love it but the 400 is a better heli. Probably by the time you get it all together you will have more in the Belt. BTW, my stock Esky radio has been flawless.

Well I figured, since I like to see how everything goes and works, that I would install my own stuff. I think it will show me what each componet and rod or whatever operates if I get in there and play around with them. Choosing componets such as gyro and servos will teach me what is the correct tolerances/torque that should be used ect... I plan on sticking with this hobby even if at first I wreck and break everything. These things take work and practice, and I think they are simply amazing... Mix and matching parts and adjusting this and that will make me a better pilot IMO.. Even if I never get it up in the air, it will still be a nice shelf piece, lol..

I chose the Belt CP because basicly I heard nothing but great things about it, and it is on par with the more expensive T-Rex and is compatible with T-Rex stuff. Also I like the looks of it the best IMO... I haven't heard anything bad about the Belt CP and given the price.........it was the one to get..

Once I get profficient with the 450 Belt CP, then I am off to a 600 E-Smart heli for the size. I'm gonna take this hobby seriously(after I pay the bills and put food in the fridge, lol) but yeah...I see alot of fun potential here.
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I still think the blade 400 is over rated. If you're looking for something the local hobby store has and supports then it's a good choice but if you read the posts in the eflite forums not many like the stock servos (i've had those before and they do suck), many are replacing those as well and the gyro. I think if you want a good flying heli you need better servos (like the 3114) and a better gyro (like a telebee, gy240 or logictec 2100t) so regardless of belt cp or blade 400 you've got extra costs.

The system chosen lets you upgrade the radio and the servos at a great combo price, now I'd look at a better gyro.

Yepp the Futaba 6ex radio I mentioned comes with 3- 3114 servos with nylon gears in a combo for 239.00 They have a version that comes with digital servos for 294.00, but I am leaning to just a good regular micro servo for the cyclic, and just get a high speed digtal sevo for the tail..
This will leave some money to get a excellent gyro. I'm not going with a Heading Hold gyro.. Someone here said a regular gyro will require the pilot to "fly the tail" and it will make them better at flying, so I guess I want to be as skillfull as possible.
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Just so we don't get confused here. The top of the line Trex 450SE V2 is a much better heli, full carbon fiber, cnc aluminum head and tail, better motor and esc... but, it costs 5 times as much for the kit version. If you're comparing the belt to the trex 450x or xl then it's a fair comparison and the cost is not as different (although some try to sell it for too much just becuase of the trex name). As to parts compatibility, there is some but the heads are designed differently, you could probably use a trex head w/ an esky cnc swashplate though.

I strongly suggest you get a HH gyro, the suggestion that you should avoid technology to meet some flyers idea of what every pilot should be is dumb. If someone told you to buy a car without ABS brakes because you should know how to pump the brakes in an accident what would you say to him? Also, most HH gyros allow you to choose between rate and hh mode so if you should feel the need to fly in rate mode, which baffles the mind unless you're into scale, then you can. Don't make flying harder than you have to at the beginning, it's already hard enough... get a hh gyro.
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Just so we don't get confused here. The top of the line Trex 450SE V2 is a much better heli, full carbon fiber, cnc aluminum head and tail, better motor and esc... but, it costs 5 times as much for the kit version. If you're comparing the belt to the trex 450x or xl then it's a fair comparison and the cost is not as different (although some try to sell it for too much just becuase of the trex name). As to parts compatibility, there is some but the heads are designed differently, you could probably use a trex head w/ an esky cnc swashplate though.

I strongly suggest you get a HH gyro, the suggestion that you should avoid technology to meet some flyers idea of what every pilot should be is dumb. If someone told you to buy a car without ABS brakes because you should know how to pump the brakes in an accident what would you say to him? Also, most HH gyros allow you to choose between rate and hh mode so if you should feel the need to fly in rate mode, which baffles the mind unless you're into scale, then you can. Don't make flying harder than you have to at the beginning, it's already hard enough... get a hh gyro.

Ok... I'll get a HH gyro then..... I'll get one that swithes from rate to HH so I can see the difference between them both.
I have to say.....this is starting to get addicting and I haven't even started flying yet... been looking at nuttcaze's videos and his e-smart.....wow....I believe that E-Smart will be my next electric when I get able to fly the belt and land in one piece.

Right now the servo selection is baffling... I believe the S1114's that come with that radio I mentioned should be good enough... I checked out the specs and the torque is far more that the esky servos..

Is regular servos good enough or should they be digital?..... I know the digitals are far more precise, but they are not cheap, plus I'm a beginner, so I'll probably beet up servos pretty bad when I start out. The S1114's are only like 14 bucks a piece and they are high speed high torque....sooo... I think that's the way to do so I don't ruin the expensive digital servos.

I may get a digital for the tail though with metal gears. Thanks for the help.... I REALLY apreaciate , and I hope to help others as I progress further...

Thanks.

yeah, I was comparing to the stock T'rex, not the full comp model...

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