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Old 11-15-2010 | 10:22 AM
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Any of the Big Box stores carry the Penzoil oil you guys are running? I didn't see any at Home Depot or two small engine shops I went to last week.
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I've always bought it at Advance Auto Parts
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thats where i get mine
Old 11-16-2010 | 06:35 AM
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Funtana 125 w/DLE 20cc (it's not my combo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEGVp...layer_embedded
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can't find a post if anyone ie useing a123 batts without a regulator or is one needed ?
Iuse A123 batteries without a regulator. No issues.

ANy Ignition that is 6V rated can cope with a 6.6V LiFePO4. the max voltage on a 6V NiMHis as high as 7.6V. The nominal operating voltage of a 6V Nimh is around 6.6V and LiFePO4 drops to 6.6V where it stays for 90% of its capacity.
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ANy Ignition that is 6V rated can cope with a 6.6V LiFePO4.
Unless YOU are willing to cover warranty issues of users running
beyond the mfg's recommended voltage, it's not wise to make such
a wide ranging blanket statement.

SOME ignitions can handle higher voltages -SOME- not all.

Saito, Evolution, 3W are a few examples of those that state they can.

DL;
"The DL50 ignition system is designed for input voltage ranging from 4.8 to 6.0 volts, no more and no less."

DLE; same as DL above

If some t/s folks said different, I'd be inclined to stick with the manual they print until those get updated.
There's NO advantage in running higher voltage to these ignitions. The spark isn't getting any bigger.

Voltage range of 4.8 - to 6.0 is what most of these ignitions require and is clearly stated in the owners manual.
No more, no less.
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I've always bought it at Advance Auto Parts
Don't have those around here. Do have AutoZone and O'Rieleys and neither of those carry it. I also hit up two more small engine shops and a NAPA in my area and so far I haven't been able to find it.
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the new version 2 RCEXL ignitions can handle up to 7.0V - just look on the module it will have ver2 on it. if its not ver2 then its only up to 6.0V


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ANy Ignition that is 6V rated can cope with a 6.6V LiFePO4.
Unless YOU are willing to cover warranty issues of users running
beyond the mfg's recommended voltage, it's not wise to make such
a wide ranging blanket statement.

SOME ignitions can handle higher voltages -SOME- not all.

Saito, Evolution, 3W are a few examples of those that state they can.

DL;
"The DL50 ignition system is designed for input voltage ranging from 4.8 to 6.0 volts, no more and no less."

DLE; same as DL above

If some t/s folks said different, I'd be inclined to stick with the manual they print until those get updated.
There's NO advantage in running higher voltage to these ignitions. The spark isn't getting any bigger.

Voltage range of 4.8 - to 6.0 is what most of these ignitions require and is clearly stated in the owners manual.
No more, no less.
Old 11-16-2010 | 01:17 PM
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the new version 2 RCEXL ignitions can handle up to 7.0V - just look on the module it will have ver2 on it. if its not ver2 then its only up to 6.0V
Version 2 may indeed, but more older/current units don't, than those that do.
The newbies following along don't need conflicting info.

Unless DLE or whichever engine mfg clearly states such in their owners manual,
don't exceed what they state....4.8 - 6.0 volts input to ignition.

THEY are the ones warranting their engines, not us.
If they want/accept higher voltages, then it's up to them to state so in their manuals.
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the new version 2 RCEXL ignitions can handle up to 7.0V - just look on the module it will have ver2 on it. if its not ver2 then its only up to 6.0V
Version 2 may indeed, but more older/current units don't, than those that do.
The newbies following along don't need conflicting info.

Unless DLE or whichever engine mfg clearly states such in their owners manual,
don't exceed what they state....4.8 - 6.0 volts input to ignition.

THEY are the ones warranting their engines, not us.
If they want/accept higher voltages, then it's up to them to state so in their manuals.
<span style="font-size: larger">its not conflicting information - its up to date information.
with regard to DLE heres from the DLE website FAQ itself -
</span><font color="#ff0000">Q: What is the volt range for ignitions? Can I use a Li-poly as power supply?
</font><font style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #3366ff; font-size: 16px">A:The volt range for ignition is 4.8-6V, Maximum 7V. A volt over 7V might damage the ignition.

</font><font size="2">Im not trying to be difficult, this is an often asked question with all the new battery technology out there. New products are there to be used because they are an improvement on the old technology. Otherwise we may as well tell everyone stick to NiCd battery packs in your planes, thats what we always did. No way - there isbetter technology now lets use it.
ANd as far as i know DLE do not warrantey the ignitions - RCEXL do. Same goes for most engine manufacturers.......

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Penzoil oil...

Man, what a PIA! I can't find any in the DFW area it seems. So far, Lowes, Ace Hardware, Home Depot, NAPA, Bass Pro Shops (they carry the Marine version), three LHS, four lawn equipment shops and Pep Boys don't carry it.

I'm not ordering this stuff online with the Hazmat and shipping charges.

Whats a suitable alternative? I've probably seen everything else under the sun!
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Just go to Walmart and get the 2 stroke aircooled oil
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Just go to Walmart and get the 2 stroke aircooled oil
Is that made by Penzoil or something? The Supertech oil? I've been using that in my lawn equip for a few years now.
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<span style=''font-size: larger''>its not conflicting information - its up to date information.
with regard to DLE heres from the DLE website FAQ itself -
</span><font color=''#ff0000''>Q: What is the volt range for ignitions? Can I use a Li-poly as power supply?
</font><font style=''font-family: Times New Roman; color: #3366ff; font-size: 16px''>A: The volt range for ignition is 4.8-6V, Maximum 7V. A volt over 7V might damage the ignition.
OK, they're starting to post updated info, but some of the manuals still state 4.8 - 6.0 volt.
These DLE20cc come with #3 or #4 modules, and mine clearly states 4.8 - 6.0 volt right on the unit.

Since there's really no advantage to using more, better to be safe and stay on the low side.
For those with #2 units, go for it!
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What size Warbirds are you all putting these in?
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What size Warbirds are you all putting these in?
.60 size warbirds mostly

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What size Warbirds are you all putting these in?
Dutchy50 has info & photos posted in this thread of his TopFlite 60size P-51 Mustang,
and there are others such examples. Just need to start reading.

One thing that might help ya; up at the top of each page is a link called Gallery.
Click on that, give it some time to load, then scan the photos till some catches your eye.
Highlight any photo, and then it'll show the message it links to, at the bottom of the page.
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Thanks guys! I had started reading this tread when first came out and my DSL had broke and put me way behind on thread with computer being down., So I thought I would ask and do thank you for letting me know! I have a Topflight P-51 that am down to retracts and engine, I think I will go with the Robart retracts and the DLE gas, It will be my first gasser. I will order it from Jody very soon!
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Made my "Diode Drop" over lunch and it dropped a fresh off the charger A123 pack to 5.15v with a 500ma load and a half used A123 to 4.95v with a 500ma load. Anyone know how much power the ignition draws at 9000rpm or so?
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What about Shihl HP Ultra?
I think that's the stuff so many swear by around here
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<span>its not conflicting information - its up to date information.
with regard to DLE heres from the DLE website FAQ itself -
</span>Q: What is the volt range for ignitions? Can I use a Li-poly as power supply?
<font new="" times="">A:The volt range for ignition is 4.8-6V, Maximum 7V. A volt over 7V might damage the ignition.
OK, they're starting to post updated info, but some of the manuals still state 4.8 - 6.0 volt.
These DLE20cc come with #3 or #4 modules, and mine clearly states 4.8 - 6.0 volt right on the unit.

Since there's really no advantage to using more, better to be safe and stay on the low side.
For those with #2 units, go for it!
This isn't new information from Rcexl, the engine manuals have pretty much all stated along with the label on the ignition module itself, 4.8 to 6 volts. Also just becausea module is labeled Ver.-2 does not mean it will survive input voltage over 6.0 volts, the Ver.-2 module has been out for over3 years, the earliest ones were NOT compatible with higher than 6.0 volt inputs.

While the Rcexl literature states the acceptablemaximum input voltage range is up to 7 volts, it also states the typical voltage input at 4.8 volts. Two other aspects that are worthy to note are thatthe current consumption of the ignition at 6.6v input is double what it is at 4.8v, this means your battery will only last 1/2 as long. Lastly, as one that sees many, many engines and ignitions, I can tell you that the failure rate for ignition modules run with input voltage above 6.0 volts is roughly double that of modules run with &lt;6.0 volt inputs, once you're able to see the larger volume sample size it's clear that &lt;6.000 volts makes the ignition much more reliable and robust.
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What about Shihl HP Ultra?
I think that's the stuff so many swear by around here
That is what I have been using, runs great, very clean.
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Thanks guys!..........It will be my first gasser.
You're very welcome!

Be sure to read...... [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8673009]Newbie to Gas General Information......[/link]
....loads of great info there for those new to gas engines!
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Anyone know how much power the ignition draws at 9000rpm or so?

Look back a page or 3, was just discussed.

Also; grab the attachment Jody just posted. It's listed there @8,000 rpm.


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