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Old 10-07-2005 | 11:06 AM
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dang it! I can't speak french (bonjour?) that's about it and I'm not sure even THAT's right oh well no habla Es'panol.

oh and about me saying why not 3D? you could use a beefy brushless, a good batt, and have the motor on the main gear with 4 belt driven tail drive assys. those are capable of 3D as they do that to counteract main rotor. my main problem is how do you use a regluar 3 servo Rx and make that do turning and 3D? bu if you used a regular Rx you could have heading hold gyros for stability no TI, and normal mode as well as 3D. I'd like to make something like this and now that I know some one who makes molds, this would be fun to make... though I have no money...what do you guys think?

PS: that silicon are is a huge improvement, and thanks for transferring it, now one thing I've always wondered is does it stay in the same orientation or does it somehow spin like a regular helicopter
Old 10-07-2005 | 01:15 PM
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Hi guys. I have two circuit boards for fixing at ebay (Ti V and IV), check them if you're interested. Thanks.
Old 10-07-2005 | 02:00 PM
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Hi guys. I have two circuit boards for fixing at ebay (Ti V and IV), check them if you're interested. Thanks.
Hello, don't find them on ebay. Could you please post the exact link ?
Thanks.
Old 10-07-2005 | 02:04 PM
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Ooops ¡ Sorry...Here it is:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Draganflyer-V-Ti...QQcmdZViewItem
Old 10-07-2005 | 02:07 PM
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Fabrice,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Draganflyer-V-Ti...QQcmdZViewItem
Old 10-07-2005 | 02:10 PM
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2.5 minutes apart on our posts concusa. not bad
Old 10-08-2005 | 12:33 AM
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How did you end up with two boards? Sorry to see they both require attention. I personally know how frustrating that is. Best of luck with your auction.
Old 10-10-2005 | 07:40 AM
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Hello guys,


Perhaps you already know that but this WE I found a little software [link=http://www.topazlabs.com/src/tm20setup.msi]TopazMoment[/link] which is extra to make high resolution pictures with the eyecam of DF. I also used PTlens for fisheye lens correction. You can see the result with this picture.
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Old 10-11-2005 | 04:14 PM
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nice
Old 10-12-2005 | 12:53 PM
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Hey it's Halloween, I thought it might be fun to make a video of a maze by my house. Let me know what you think...

http://www.slcity.com/df/maze_0001.wmv

Scott
Old 10-12-2005 | 01:30 PM
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Great job, Scott. That's a nice clip with clean looking shots. How do you keep the DF so steady? do you use Ti alot? use CF blades?
Old 10-12-2005 | 04:53 PM
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Hey it's Halloween, I thought it might be fun to make a video of a maze by my house. Let me know what you think...

http://www.slcity.com/df/maze_0001.wmv

Scott
Very nice Slick video transitions, I really liked it, and spooky music! Perfect!

Rain, darkness, gloom and doom here in Iowa. Flyers are resting...
Old 10-12-2005 | 07:19 PM
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Gentlemen, we are in the presence of greatness! Scotty, your good! Still using windows media? Have anyone been on the RC toys website lately? They have a whole batch of submitted videos. The one that got my attention was the realtor video. They have some shots of a DF with a camera mount that looks like a styrofoam ball on a stick. Looks pretty good, anybody notice that also?
Old 10-12-2005 | 09:51 PM
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Hey David, Thanks, and yes, the vid was made with windows movie maker. Free and works great. yvesOttawa, I alway use the TI. To be honest, I'm a lousy pilot without it. I generally use the standard blades from rctoys. I have some cf blades, (thanks again David!!!) but don't normally use them. I photograph around houses and such and am paranoid about crashing and slicing up something (someone).

Anyhow, glad you like the vid!

Scott
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Hey it's Halloween, I thought it might be fun to make a video of a maze by my house. Let me know what you think...

http://www.slcity.com/df/maze_0001.wmv

Scott
Beautiful video with great sound track ! Félicitations in French ...
Old 10-13-2005 | 01:55 PM
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I agree. The video is pretty cool. As I do a little video myself using studio, I was pretty impressed with the transitions. The one thing I would do, as a suggestion, is to slowly decrease the music output to time out as the movie ends. The abrupt end leaves the viewer waiting for more. I always fade my music in and fade it out in time with the fade to black transition. Thanks for listening. MJ. What mount are you using for your camera? It is actually pretty shake free. I didn't notice any rotors in the shadows or in the video. That must mean that you are shooting from below the rotors?


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and once again it didn't work for me *head hits table with a loud thud* maybe you could use putfile? well thanks anyways. oh and for those of you that photograph for retailer how do you do it and do you make any money off it, I'm thinking about putting a camera on my 36 sometime...
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hi everybody. all of a sudden I have to increase the aileron trim on my Hitech lazer6 transmitter to the left quiet a bit. What do u think the problem could be. Does it mean that the motor on the right is going bad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hi everybody. all of a sudden I have to increase the aileron trim on my Hitech lazer6 transmitter to the left quiet a bit. What do u think the problem could be. Does it mean that the motor on the right is going bad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,

I have experienced the same problem few days ago. The cage inside the right motor (for my issue it was the right motor !) has felt down after a little crash then the motor receive no fresh air from the outside and reach very high temperature et decrease its efficiency with the consequence that I had to trim too much to the left.
I don't know if your problem is the same, but I hope you could solve it .
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I did have a small crash but after that it was still o.k. I didn't fly for 4 days after that since I was out of town. But when I returned and tried to fly it. I had to adjust the trim. Dont know what's wrong.
Old 10-18-2005 | 12:14 PM
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Hey Roxybaby, make sure your motor mounts are horizontal to the flyer. If it's off, it can cause your df to rotate in one direction or another.


Latests vid, what do you think? I'm working on the shaky aerial spots... Thanks
http://www.slcity.com/df/laytonsmall.wmv
Old 10-18-2005 | 10:16 PM
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There are some items I would check. If you have crashed one time or another you know that usually of of the motors takes a major hit. If you look at the motors you can see two cooling (if you will, vents) slots. When you are looking at the vents, see if a magnet has dropped to to where you can see it in the slot. If the magnet has dropped, the armature will not fully be in the magnetic field and subsequently will lose power. Two slots, two magnets. If they have dropped, just take a small screwdriver and push them back up into position. In my beginning flights (and crashes) I found this to be the case. Sometimes a motor in one location or another will begin to fail causing decreased lift to that plane. The Ti will try and compensate for this. It's basically cause and effect. The motor goes bad- the lift decreases. Some motors even though they all come off the same assembly line will have different outputs. If you crash into the ground you can jam dirt, grass, etc into the shaft bearing hole causing a motor shaft to have more friction-again, decreased lift is the result. I have found that if my motors get hot they react totally different to input as opposed to when they are cool. Try using quality heat-sinks on your motors.

Further, make sure that the connections between the capacitors and the motor teminals are solid. When you crash it is easy to dislodge these connections.

Make sure the motor pinion to main gear preload is appropriate. Sometimes the little mount that the rotor connects to can also get tweaked causing more friction between the pinion gear and main gear. Check this for both X and Y preloads.

Unless one half of a rotor is missing I suspect that this would not be something to worry about.

I agree, with scottslc. If the rotors are not perfectly on the same plane as the horizonal circuit board this would absolutely cause a control problem. I put the frame stiffener kit on mine to reduce this problem.

And finally when all else fails; you might consider the gyro for that particular plane (roll, pitch or yaw) could be going bad. One day I was flying my flyer perfectly. The next day it began to yaw really badly. I did everything I could to trim this out. Nothing worked. Finally I sent it back (again) to Spectrolutions and sure enough, the yaw gyro had gone south on me.

I hope this helps some.

C-ya

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Thanks mark for your valuable comments. You guys won't believe this. I had another crash and now the trims are back to normal. This isn't a joke. This actually happened to me. Well I guess that puts a smile back on my face now. Well I don't really know if it's the crash which put it back right or if was the broken rotor which I glued back on and that set it right. Whatever it was that put the trims back on, I am grateful forthat.
Cheers guys
Old 10-22-2005 | 04:10 AM
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I still have one question in my mind. Tried to fly the Dragon fly vti-pro outdoors but don't know the actual procedure. Please can someone guide me step by step on how to do this.
Thanks in advance
Old 10-22-2005 | 03:18 PM
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The same procedure applies to both inside and outside flight with some minor points of interest.

Inside you cannot use the Ti feature. As the Ti senses the temp. differential between the ground and the sky when you fly outside. Inside there really is no difference in those two temp. Actually I believe that the Ti won't allow itself to be armed if it cannot sense this difference. Inside there are no sudden gusts of wind that influence the attitude of the flyer. Outside little gusts can cause control problems for the beginning flyer. I personally practiced control and hovering while I was inside. For me learning to control it enough to keep it from hitting furniture, etc made me a better pilot outside. I believe they say that if you can keep the hover inside a 10 foot box you are doing pretty well. Again, inside, I had to keep my flyer inside of a 3ft box.

Unless you have a gym or other big open place to fly in inside, you have to be ever mindful of chairs, walls, lights etc. Outside you have no such concerns. When I first started flying I was sick as a dog and could not get out of bed. So I practiced hovering the flyer over my bed. It made for a soft landing anyway. I was really quite afraid of crashing this expensive toy. I actually practiced inside for weeks before going outside.

There is only one suggestion that I got from anyone that made sense and worked. It came from Mike Dammer at spectolutions. He said; paraphrasing: If all else fails, chop the throttle. This worked for me. At least it kept the flyer from crashing into something at full tilt. And with the rotors not turning under power on hard landings, this save many a rotor too.

Anyway just my two cents worth...



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