Flaperons
08-16-2008 | 11:05 PM
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Flaperons
I have flaperons act. I want the flaps to be off, 30 degrees and 60 degrees or so. But with the switch off the flaperons move up, switch in the middle the flaps are off and switch on I get down flaps as I want. I read your manual aand your online faq but still can't figure it out.
08-19-2008 | 09:11 AM
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RE: Flaperons
You may want to try as the last line says in the FAQ "Just remember that if your flaps do not deflect downward, you may need to change your rates to negative."
This sounds like what you will need to do to fix this
Sincerely,
Krysta
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This sounds like what you will need to do to fix this
Sincerely,
Krysta
Product Development & Support Specialist
Futaba Service Center USA
[email protected]
08-19-2008 | 03:33 PM
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RE: Flaperons
Last line of which question in the faq. When the switch is on I get downward movement. But I want downward movement when the switch is centered and no movement when the switch is off.
ORIGINAL: Krysta
You may want to try as the last line says in the FAQ "Just remember that if your flaps do not deflect downward, you may need to change your rates to negative."
This sounds like what you will need to do to fix this
Sincerely,
Krysta
Product Development & Support Specialist
Futaba Service Center USA
[email protected]
You may want to try as the last line says in the FAQ "Just remember that if your flaps do not deflect downward, you may need to change your rates to negative."
This sounds like what you will need to do to fix this
Sincerely,
Krysta
Product Development & Support Specialist
Futaba Service Center USA
[email protected]
08-20-2008 | 09:24 AM
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RE: Flaperons
What transmitter do you have? Likely, you won't be able to have 3-position flaps when you use the flaperon mixer. That's because you are using the surfaces as dual-purpose surfaces: ailerons and flaps. You need to have them centered for most flying, but then want them to deflect downward when you flip the flap switch. Unfortunately, the mixer will see the switch as +100%, then neutral, then -100% when you move it through its three positions, so you'd get flaperons down, flaperons centered, flaperons up.
In order to actually have multi-positioned flaps, you'll either have to use a knob to set the flaperons, with the attendant difficulty of finding the center while in flight, or go to separate flaps.
If you have an advanced transmitter, such as a 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, then you'd use the Camber Mix to set your positions, and use conditions for each desired flap position.
In order to actually have multi-positioned flaps, you'll either have to use a knob to set the flaperons, with the attendant difficulty of finding the center while in flight, or go to separate flaps.
If you have an advanced transmitter, such as a 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, then you'd use the Camber Mix to set your positions, and use conditions for each desired flap position.
08-20-2008 | 10:58 AM
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RE: Flaperons
I have a 9c. thanks for the answer.
ORIGINAL: Bax
What transmitter do you have? Likely, you won't be able to have 3-position flaps when you use the flaperon mixer. That's because you are using the surfaces as dual-purpose surfaces: ailerons and flaps. You need to have them centered for most flying, but then want them to deflect downward when you flip the flap switch. Unfortunately, the mixer will see the switch as +100%, then neutral, then -100% when you move it through its three positions, so you'd get flaperons down, flaperons centered, flaperons up.
In order to actually have multi-positioned flaps, you'll either have to use a knob to set the flaperons, with the attendant difficulty of finding the center while in flight, or go to separate flaps.
If you have an advanced transmitter, such as a 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, then you'd use the Camber Mix to set your positions, and use conditions for each desired flap position.
What transmitter do you have? Likely, you won't be able to have 3-position flaps when you use the flaperon mixer. That's because you are using the surfaces as dual-purpose surfaces: ailerons and flaps. You need to have them centered for most flying, but then want them to deflect downward when you flip the flap switch. Unfortunately, the mixer will see the switch as +100%, then neutral, then -100% when you move it through its three positions, so you'd get flaperons down, flaperons centered, flaperons up.
In order to actually have multi-positioned flaps, you'll either have to use a knob to set the flaperons, with the attendant difficulty of finding the center while in flight, or go to separate flaps.
If you have an advanced transmitter, such as a 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, then you'd use the Camber Mix to set your positions, and use conditions for each desired flap position.
08-20-2008 | 01:29 PM
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RE: Flaperons
Bax:
Do you have a FAQ or hint to show users how to set up flaps with the 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ?
Thank you,
Chris Shaker
Do you have a FAQ or hint to show users how to set up flaps with the 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ?
Thank you,
Chris Shaker
ORIGINAL: Bax
In order to actually have multi-positioned flaps, you'll either have to use a knob to set the flaperons, with the attendant difficulty of finding the center while in flight, or go to separate flaps.
If you have an advanced transmitter, such as a 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, then you'd use the Camber Mix to set your positions, and use conditions for each desired flap position.
In order to actually have multi-positioned flaps, you'll either have to use a knob to set the flaperons, with the attendant difficulty of finding the center while in flight, or go to separate flaps.
If you have an advanced transmitter, such as a 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, then you'd use the Camber Mix to set your positions, and use conditions for each desired flap position.
08-22-2008 | 10:30 AM
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RE: Flaperons
With the 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, you can set up flaps as a single channel (or multiple channels if you have multiple servos). Set them up in the "Wing type" section of the Model Type selection area. If you only have ailerons, then just select the "2 Aileron" wing type.
Go into the Function section inside the Linkage Menu and cursor to the "CAMBER" control. It's a "virtual" channel, which means that you are controlling other channels via software...it's a type of mixer, but you adjust it like a regular channel. Put the Camber channel on the control you desire...we like the left-hand slider. You can also use a 2-positon or 3-position switch.
Now go into the Model Menu and select "Camber Mix". Turn it on and then go into the section for Ailerons. You'll need to adjust how much aileron movement you want when you move the flap slider or switch. If you are using a switch, you can adjust the intermediate position by either using the offset or by using points. We like points because it doesn't move the ends when you move the middle. Adjust the flaps "up" and flaps "down" positions by adjusting the end points of the curve. With a switch, you don't worry about the intermediate points. The switch moves the channel to the ends or the middle without stopping at intermediate points. With a slider, you can adjust the intermediate points.
If you want elevator compensation, go into the elevator section and dial it in. Again, you can use a point curve to fine-tune the elevator at various flap positions.
If you have separate flaps and ailerons, then the Camber Mix will allow you to droop the ailerons a desired amount when you move the camber channel. If you set the control for flaps to NULL (or "" in the 12FG) in the Function Section of the Linkage Menu, then the control you select for the Camber Mix will activate the flaps. No need to have a separate control for the flap function when you're using the Camber Mix.
Go into the Function section inside the Linkage Menu and cursor to the "CAMBER" control. It's a "virtual" channel, which means that you are controlling other channels via software...it's a type of mixer, but you adjust it like a regular channel. Put the Camber channel on the control you desire...we like the left-hand slider. You can also use a 2-positon or 3-position switch.
Now go into the Model Menu and select "Camber Mix". Turn it on and then go into the section for Ailerons. You'll need to adjust how much aileron movement you want when you move the flap slider or switch. If you are using a switch, you can adjust the intermediate position by either using the offset or by using points. We like points because it doesn't move the ends when you move the middle. Adjust the flaps "up" and flaps "down" positions by adjusting the end points of the curve. With a switch, you don't worry about the intermediate points. The switch moves the channel to the ends or the middle without stopping at intermediate points. With a slider, you can adjust the intermediate points.
If you want elevator compensation, go into the elevator section and dial it in. Again, you can use a point curve to fine-tune the elevator at various flap positions.
If you have separate flaps and ailerons, then the Camber Mix will allow you to droop the ailerons a desired amount when you move the camber channel. If you set the control for flaps to NULL (or "" in the 12FG) in the Function Section of the Linkage Menu, then the control you select for the Camber Mix will activate the flaps. No need to have a separate control for the flap function when you're using the Camber Mix.
08-23-2008 | 02:39 PM
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RE: Flaperons
Bax,
Excellent timing as I just used this tutorial to set up flaperons on my Revolver. Thanks for the info and I too wish somebody (Anne Marie?) would do for the 12Z like she did for the 9C. Thanks again, Larry
Excellent timing as I just used this tutorial to set up flaperons on my Revolver. Thanks for the info and I too wish somebody (Anne Marie?) would do for the 12Z like she did for the 9C. Thanks again, Larry
08-25-2008 | 05:20 PM
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RE: Flaperons
Bax:
Thank you for the below reply. Will save this for future reference.
Chris
Thank you for the below reply. Will save this for future reference.
Chris
ORIGINAL: Bax
With the 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, you can set up flaps as a single channel (or multiple channels if you have multiple servos). Set them up in the "Wing type" section of the Model Type selection area. If you only have ailerons, then just select the "2 Aileron" wing type.
Go into the Function section inside the Linkage Menu and cursor to the "CAMBER" control. It's a "virtual" channel, which means that you are controlling other channels via software...it's a type of mixer, but you adjust it like a regular channel. Put the Camber channel on the control you desire...we like the left-hand slider. You can also use a 2-positon or 3-position switch.
Now go into the Model Menu and select "Camber Mix". Turn it on and then go into the section for Ailerons. You'll need to adjust how much aileron movement you want when you move the flap slider or switch. If you are using a switch, you can adjust the intermediate position by either using the offset or by using points. We like points because it doesn't move the ends when you move the middle. Adjust the flaps "up" and flaps "down" positions by adjusting the end points of the curve. With a switch, you don't worry about the intermediate points. The switch moves the channel to the ends or the middle without stopping at intermediate points. With a slider, you can adjust the intermediate points.
If you want elevator compensation, go into the elevator section and dial it in. Again, you can use a point curve to fine-tune the elevator at various flap positions.
If you have separate flaps and ailerons, then the Camber Mix will allow you to droop the ailerons a desired amount when you move the camber channel. If you set the control for flaps to NULL (or "" in the 12FG) in the Function Section of the Linkage Menu, then the control you select for the Camber Mix will activate the flaps. No need to have a separate control for the flap function when you're using the Camber Mix.
With the 12FG, 12Z, or 14MZ, you can set up flaps as a single channel (or multiple channels if you have multiple servos). Set them up in the "Wing type" section of the Model Type selection area. If you only have ailerons, then just select the "2 Aileron" wing type.
Go into the Function section inside the Linkage Menu and cursor to the "CAMBER" control. It's a "virtual" channel, which means that you are controlling other channels via software...it's a type of mixer, but you adjust it like a regular channel. Put the Camber channel on the control you desire...we like the left-hand slider. You can also use a 2-positon or 3-position switch.
Now go into the Model Menu and select "Camber Mix". Turn it on and then go into the section for Ailerons. You'll need to adjust how much aileron movement you want when you move the flap slider or switch. If you are using a switch, you can adjust the intermediate position by either using the offset or by using points. We like points because it doesn't move the ends when you move the middle. Adjust the flaps "up" and flaps "down" positions by adjusting the end points of the curve. With a switch, you don't worry about the intermediate points. The switch moves the channel to the ends or the middle without stopping at intermediate points. With a slider, you can adjust the intermediate points.
If you want elevator compensation, go into the elevator section and dial it in. Again, you can use a point curve to fine-tune the elevator at various flap positions.
If you have separate flaps and ailerons, then the Camber Mix will allow you to droop the ailerons a desired amount when you move the camber channel. If you set the control for flaps to NULL (or "" in the 12FG) in the Function Section of the Linkage Menu, then the control you select for the Camber Mix will activate the flaps. No need to have a separate control for the flap function when you're using the Camber Mix.
