Why Gassers are more addictive or better than Glows e?
12-27-2011, 05:12 AM
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RE: Why Gassers are more addictive or better than Glows e?
ORIGINAL: Kweasel
Throw in one RFI related crash and they are really underwater compared to glow.
Throw in one RFI related crash and they are really underwater compared to glow.
If the current small gassers weren't an issue to contend with as some try to make them out to be, why then are glow mfg's like Saito & O.S. coming out with their own small gassers? It's because such small gassers are a real sales challenge to the glow mfg's, so they jumped in the foray. Goes right along with CaptJohn's assertion of tons of glows practically being given away at swap meets this year.
If not for brushless motors and LiPo/Li-Ion/A123/LiFe batteries, electric flight wouldn't have seen the resurgence it's had in the past 2 years.
12-27-2011, 06:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: Kweasel
Throw in one RFI related crash and they are really underwater compared to glow.
Throw in one RFI related crash and they are really underwater compared to glow.
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Nahhhh, not even then.
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I have had zero EMI/RFI related issues.
I have had zero EMI/RFI related issues.
12-27-2011, 06:51 AM
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RE: Why Gassers are more addictive or better than Glows e?
ORIGINAL: Kweasel
Gas vs glow is mainly about economics and convenience. Twenty years ago most modelers were stuck with small glow airplanes because the bigger stuff was just too expensive. Now 20-30cc planes and engines are just as available and affordable as a .61 glow powered model was then. Plus there is the bandwagon effect, I have watched people spend more converting to gas than they ever would have spent on glow fuel. Throw in one RFI related crash and they are really underwater compared to glow.
Gas vs glow is mainly about economics and convenience. Twenty years ago most modelers were stuck with small glow airplanes because the bigger stuff was just too expensive. Now 20-30cc planes and engines are just as available and affordable as a .61 glow powered model was then. Plus there is the bandwagon effect, I have watched people spend more converting to gas than they ever would have spent on glow fuel. Throw in one RFI related crash and they are really underwater compared to glow.
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12-27-2011, 07:11 AM
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RE: Why Gassers are more addictive or better than Glows e?
dbaque,
Dude, Thanks for your comments. Yes, I'd fly whatever makes me happy. I love glow fuel powered plane, I'm the one who says about this hobby that needs 3Ps. Patience, persistence, and perseverance. Human beings wanna see some changes, monotony gets boring after some time, so I'm here to get inputs, experience and some guidance. I ain't here for the people to tell me what should I fly and what should I choose.
I always wanted to fly bigger size planes, and use 4 stroke glow, but somehow I got an opportunity to buy me big plane along with DLE 20 gasser so, it's a total new transition for me, so why not give it a try? Anyway, I appreciate your comments, and dude, im gonna do what makes me happy and of course my pocket too
I'm outta USA at the moment, and won't be able to post much and I'm gonna keep y'all updated with my Gas Experience.
Mody
Dude, Thanks for your comments. Yes, I'd fly whatever makes me happy. I love glow fuel powered plane, I'm the one who says about this hobby that needs 3Ps. Patience, persistence, and perseverance. Human beings wanna see some changes, monotony gets boring after some time, so I'm here to get inputs, experience and some guidance. I ain't here for the people to tell me what should I fly and what should I choose.
I always wanted to fly bigger size planes, and use 4 stroke glow, but somehow I got an opportunity to buy me big plane along with DLE 20 gasser so, it's a total new transition for me, so why not give it a try? Anyway, I appreciate your comments, and dude, im gonna do what makes me happy and of course my pocket too
I'm outta USA at the moment, and won't be able to post much and I'm gonna keep y'all updated with my Gas Experience.
Mody
12-27-2011, 07:13 AM
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RE: Why Gassers are more addictive or better than Glows e?
ORIGINAL: Diablo-RCU
Because glow engines go dead stick at the wrong time.
Gas engines never quit running.
Catch my drift?
ORIGINAL: Cyberwolf
Just how did you come to that conclusion???
Most gas engines are in larger airframes that in itself fly easier than the smaller glow planes do. The larger planes have a ton of lift which makes them gluide easy, I can't say the same for some smaller glow powered planes.
ORIGINAL: Diablo-RCU
Glow engines are much better than gas.....for practicing dead stick landings.
Glow engines are much better than gas.....for practicing dead stick landings.
Most gas engines are in larger airframes that in itself fly easier than the smaller glow planes do. The larger planes have a ton of lift which makes them gluide easy, I can't say the same for some smaller glow powered planes.
Gas engines never quit running.
Catch my drift?
To be right honest I have had only one gas engine quit in flight while doing a blender, my fault for not keeping the throttle up a little while doing it.
12-27-2011, 07:15 AM
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ONE MORE THING DAVE,
IF MY QUESTION FEELS LIKE SILLY TO YOU, SO DON'T REPLY TO THOSE QUESTIONS. I WILL REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I don't like people commenting on my threat silly, smart, or stupid, cos, you ain't are the one to judge me. So in future don't use that kinda words here. I WILL DO WHAT I WILL LOVE TO DO, SO AIN'T HERE TO GET COMMENTS LIKE THAT,THANKS
IF MY QUESTION FEELS LIKE SILLY TO YOU, SO DON'T REPLY TO THOSE QUESTIONS. I WILL REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I don't like people commenting on my threat silly, smart, or stupid, cos, you ain't are the one to judge me. So in future don't use that kinda words here. I WILL DO WHAT I WILL LOVE TO DO, SO AIN'T HERE TO GET COMMENTS LIKE THAT,THANKS
12-27-2011, 08:06 AM
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Hello to all, a very Happy New Year.
I have not read all the posts here, however I would to share my hew found Gasser habit.
After teaching my self how to fly (electrics only) I swore I would never fly a fuel plane. 5plus years later I felt the hobby was charging batteries not the buiding and flying itself.
A Top Gun pilot friend of mine talked me ito a 50cc plane. We picked a Peaks Model Ultimate with a DLE55. He built and maidened the plane for me. After finally losing the fear of flying a larger and fuel powered plane I must say that I am hooked on Gasoline power.
While part of the reason to not flying fuel before was the ease of electric, the mess and the smell of fuel was the main.
After 10 gasoline flights a member of my club told me about using 100LL Avgas. I recently bought a 2011 Explorer with leather interior. Since I have switched to Avgas I no longer have the fear of gasoline ruining my "new car smell". While those will argue the use of avgas I find that the lack of a lingering fuel oder is plenty enough reason for me to pay the extra dollar and take the trip to the airport to purchase it.
For those that may clain the is no benefit of using Avgas I will say that I notice no lack of performance in ayway shape or form. It works for me. ...
Vinny
I have not read all the posts here, however I would to share my hew found Gasser habit.
After teaching my self how to fly (electrics only) I swore I would never fly a fuel plane. 5plus years later I felt the hobby was charging batteries not the buiding and flying itself.
A Top Gun pilot friend of mine talked me ito a 50cc plane. We picked a Peaks Model Ultimate with a DLE55. He built and maidened the plane for me. After finally losing the fear of flying a larger and fuel powered plane I must say that I am hooked on Gasoline power.
While part of the reason to not flying fuel before was the ease of electric, the mess and the smell of fuel was the main.
After 10 gasoline flights a member of my club told me about using 100LL Avgas. I recently bought a 2011 Explorer with leather interior. Since I have switched to Avgas I no longer have the fear of gasoline ruining my "new car smell". While those will argue the use of avgas I find that the lack of a lingering fuel oder is plenty enough reason for me to pay the extra dollar and take the trip to the airport to purchase it.
For those that may clain the is no benefit of using Avgas I will say that I notice no lack of performance in ayway shape or form. It works for me. ...
Vinny
12-27-2011, 08:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: GerKonig
''Throw in a RFI crash?'' You need to update yourself a bit on this issue:-)
Gerry
''Throw in a RFI crash?'' You need to update yourself a bit on this issue:-)
Gerry
12-27-2011, 08:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: speedracerwon
While part of the reason to not flying fuel before was the ease of electric, the mess and the smell of fuel was the main.
After 10 gasoline flights a member of my club told me about using 100LL Avgas. I recently bought a 2011 Explorer with leather interior. Since I have switched to Avgas I no longer have the fear of gasoline ruining my ''new car smell''. While those will argue the use of avgas I find that the lack of a lingering fuel oder is plenty enough reason for me to pay the extra dollar and take the trip to the airport to purchase it.
For those that may clain the is no benefit of using Avgas I will say that I notice no lack of performance in ayway shape or form. It works for me. ...
Vinny
While part of the reason to not flying fuel before was the ease of electric, the mess and the smell of fuel was the main.
After 10 gasoline flights a member of my club told me about using 100LL Avgas. I recently bought a 2011 Explorer with leather interior. Since I have switched to Avgas I no longer have the fear of gasoline ruining my ''new car smell''. While those will argue the use of avgas I find that the lack of a lingering fuel oder is plenty enough reason for me to pay the extra dollar and take the trip to the airport to purchase it.
For those that may clain the is no benefit of using Avgas I will say that I notice no lack of performance in ayway shape or form. It works for me. ...
Vinny
12-27-2011, 10:10 AM
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I think the argument concerning whether methanol or gasoline produces the most power should be explained in a different manner. The question should be which fuel source produces the most BTU's per fluid ounce, how efficiently the engine converts those BTU's to power, and rate of fuel consumption determining output in a HP rating.
87 octane gasoline produces 114,000 BTU's per gallon
Methanol produces 56,800 BTU's per gallon
Factual data on this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent
Now here is another factor involved with computing power. What is the rate of fuel consumption of the IC engine?
Example:
Nelson Q40 ( .40 cu/in ) consuming 2 ounces of methanol/minute = 887.5 BTU's
DA-50 ( 3.0 cu/in ) consuming 1 ounce of gasoline/minute = 890.6 BTU's
BOTH ARE VIRTUALLY THE SAME IN POWER ! Displacement has no bearing in the equation. Displacement is used when factoring torque. The gas engine running on 87 octane and the glow engine running on straight methanol. NO nitro. Add nitro and the numbers for glow goes up in BTU's. Nitro is simply and oxidizing agent that increases power by allowing the methanol to burn more efficiently. Same goes for octane ratings for gasoline.
We all know that fuel is power. The more fuel burned the greater air/oxygen required. The fuel/air ratio is very important. Engine porting and timing come into play when force feeding a racing engine comparred to a sport engine.
This is why you can have a Nelson Q40 consuming 2 ounces of methanol/minute at 25,000 rpm producing 3 HP comparred to a 30cc gasoline sipping engine producing 3 HP at 8,000 rpm. Both putting out 3 HP but both engines supplying different types of power. You could not substitute or swap these engines and expect them to fly different airframes in the same manner.
This argument of which is more addicting, which is better or worse, which is more powerful, is a agument in futility. There are too many varriables. For the guy that just goes out and flips the prop and takes to the air and proclaims his 50cc gasser turning a 22" diameter prop on a 18 pound plane is bigger,better, more powerful than something else, is a proclaimation in lack of knowledge.
Let me know if you think I have my head UMA but I think I have my facts correct.
SPEEDY
87 octane gasoline produces 114,000 BTU's per gallon
Methanol produces 56,800 BTU's per gallon
Factual data on this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent
Now here is another factor involved with computing power. What is the rate of fuel consumption of the IC engine?
Example:
Nelson Q40 ( .40 cu/in ) consuming 2 ounces of methanol/minute = 887.5 BTU's
DA-50 ( 3.0 cu/in ) consuming 1 ounce of gasoline/minute = 890.6 BTU's
BOTH ARE VIRTUALLY THE SAME IN POWER ! Displacement has no bearing in the equation. Displacement is used when factoring torque. The gas engine running on 87 octane and the glow engine running on straight methanol. NO nitro. Add nitro and the numbers for glow goes up in BTU's. Nitro is simply and oxidizing agent that increases power by allowing the methanol to burn more efficiently. Same goes for octane ratings for gasoline.
We all know that fuel is power. The more fuel burned the greater air/oxygen required. The fuel/air ratio is very important. Engine porting and timing come into play when force feeding a racing engine comparred to a sport engine.
This is why you can have a Nelson Q40 consuming 2 ounces of methanol/minute at 25,000 rpm producing 3 HP comparred to a 30cc gasoline sipping engine producing 3 HP at 8,000 rpm. Both putting out 3 HP but both engines supplying different types of power. You could not substitute or swap these engines and expect them to fly different airframes in the same manner.
This argument of which is more addicting, which is better or worse, which is more powerful, is a agument in futility. There are too many varriables. For the guy that just goes out and flips the prop and takes to the air and proclaims his 50cc gasser turning a 22" diameter prop on a 18 pound plane is bigger,better, more powerful than something else, is a proclaimation in lack of knowledge.
Let me know if you think I have my head UMA but I think I have my facts correct.
SPEEDY
12-27-2011, 01:59 PM
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RE: Why Gassers are more addictive or better than Glows e?
ORIGINAL: Speedy-Gonzales
I think the argument concerning whether methanol or gasoline produces the most power should be explained in a different manner. The question should be which fuel source produces the most BTU's per fluid ounce, how efficiently the engine converts those BTU's to power, and rate of fuel consumption determining output in a HP rating.
I think the argument concerning whether methanol or gasoline produces the most power should be explained in a different manner. The question should be which fuel source produces the most BTU's per fluid ounce, how efficiently the engine converts those BTU's to power, and rate of fuel consumption determining output in a HP rating.
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12-27-2011, 03:08 PM
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I was merely explaining power comparrison between gasoline and glow fuel. I am not trying to make up anyone's mind for them. Heck...I like 14 strands of 1/4" TAN II rubber looped into a single 42" long rubber motor for OT stick rubber freeflight too. Even though I fly glow for sport and pylon racing, gas for giant scale, I still fly rubber jobs large and small. Mostly F1B Wakefield and Mulvihill. Any of you guys know what I am talking about?
12-27-2011, 03:57 PM
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Gasoline stinks. Gasoline is dangerous and a storage hazard. Less power to weight then glow. There is a reason why the hobby converted from gas to glow. I have to desire to go backwards. You can have your gasoline smelling engines.
12-27-2011, 04:51 PM
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If one is a careless slob you may have stink with gas. If you think things out all gas smell can be avoided easy. Also you can use coleman fuel or AV Gas. AV gas has no real offensive smell. But like I say...if your a slob your theproblem. Capt,n
12-27-2011, 05:16 PM
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I am very careful when handling gasoline. I always show up at the field in my surgical scrubs, nitrile gloves, facial mask, protective eye shield, and I also always wear a rubber just in case something unexpected comes up. I am considering the purchase of a self contained full body hazmat suit for next summer. I have a phobia of smelling gas and am afraid I may die if I do. I have run my truck out of gas hundreds of times because I did not have the proper protection to go to the gas station to fill up. The flip side to the full body self-contained hazmat suit is if you suddenly get the urge and fart inside it. Then you go blind and crash your plane.
12-27-2011, 05:21 PM
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I got busted by the EPA and OSHA for adding gas to my DA-120 powered AJSlick and my leaf blower, because I did not have my Mil-Spec MOPP4 suit on.
12-27-2011, 05:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: captinjohn
If one is a careless slob you may have stink with gas. If you think things out all gas smell can be avoided easy. Also you can use coleman fuel or AV Gas. AV gas has no real offensive smell. But like I say...if your a slob your the problem. Capt,n[img][/img]
If one is a careless slob you may have stink with gas. If you think things out all gas smell can be avoided easy. Also you can use coleman fuel or AV Gas. AV gas has no real offensive smell. But like I say...if your a slob your the problem. Capt,n[img][/img]
Very well said!!!
12-27-2011, 05:39 PM
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I think someone should go thru this thread and tally up as to who's winning this pissing contest.
Oh that's right, no one is.
Oh that's right, no one is.
12-27-2011, 05:50 PM
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RE: Why Gassers are more addictive or better than Glows e?
Who has tried Avgas? Is it safe, no problems with any gaskets? I'd be happy to pay a little more to get rid of the gas smell