Community
Search
Notices
Gas Engines Questions or comments about gas engines can be posted here

A&M 3.2

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-15-2007 | 08:58 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (5)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Loxahatchee, FL
Default A&M 3.2

Good, bad or whatever, my "Auction Site" motor arrived today. It's an A&M 3.2 with the A&M rod. Crank appears to be a Sachs. At some point someone used castor oil to run or store the engine with. It was gummed up pretty bad. I may have to install new bearings. Some how the piston got scratched on both sides and pinched the rings in the groove. Got them out but one broke. Even with one ring and everything cleaned and lubed it has really good compression. I'll have to pick up new rings and base gasket to try it out. The timing ring was changed to fixed type as well (monkey bracket to hold it in place). After new rings and gasket I'll put one of Ralph's ignitions (have two here on the bench) on it and give a good run on the test bench. Anyone have any favorite brand of rings to use? I know Frank Bowman makes good ones.
Old 02-15-2007 | 09:03 PM
  #2  
Antique's Avatar
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,825
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: Somewhere, DC
Default RE: A&M 3.2

Not likely a Sachs crank would have an A&M rod on it....A&M rods had pressed in bearings, if your wrist pin bearing is not pressed in and the rod is copper colored the rod and crank are Sachs.,,,Look for a small centering hole in the end of the crank, no hole means A&M....
Old 02-15-2007 | 09:11 PM
  #3  
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (5)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Loxahatchee, FL
Default RE: A&M 3.2

OK it's an A&M crank then as it has no hole. The rod is not copper colored. Not looking to hot rod with it. It'll probably go in a Midwest Extra 300. Hopefully it will do the job ok.
Old 02-15-2007 | 09:24 PM
  #4  
Antique's Avatar
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,825
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: Somewhere, DC
Default RE: A&M 3.2

The A&M crank with 2 counterweights was an exact copy of the Sachs...If it's a 3.2 MKII cantilever there might be a replacement from Fox or Brison, don't know for sure...
Old 02-15-2007 | 09:27 PM
  #5  
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (5)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Loxahatchee, FL
Default RE: A&M 3.2

How prone to failure are the A&M cranks? This engine has the bearings in each half of the case.
Old 02-15-2007 | 09:36 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
My Feedback: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 18,602
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Valley Springs, CA
Default RE: A&M 3.2

The broken cranks is why A&M is no longer in business. As to how prone, the word at one time was "very".
Old 02-15-2007 | 09:47 PM
  #7  
Antique's Avatar
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,825
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: Somewhere, DC
Default RE: A&M 3.2

The problem was not the case bearings, it was the big end rod bearing...It should be OK for a long time...It was made a little loose and got worse with age...There's more than a normal amount of play when you rotate the crank...The Sachs crank fits perfectly it it ever goes bad...I saw only one broken crank, it was on a big twin in a P51 race plane....The singles just got too loose to run right...I still a few 4.2 and a 5.8 crank here, no 3.2...
Old 02-15-2007 | 10:10 PM
  #8  
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (5)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Loxahatchee, FL
Default RE: A&M 3.2

What piece of equipment would be best to use for ordering parts? I have a couple of good small engine places around to get parts from.
Old 02-15-2007 | 11:06 PM
  #9  
TLH101's Avatar
My Feedback: (90)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,723
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Elephant Butte, N.M.
Default RE: A&M 3.2

Ive been told, Sachs Dolmer 111, & 115 saws will have the parts you need.
Old 02-16-2007 | 12:08 AM
  #10  
Antique's Avatar
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,825
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: Somewhere, DC
Default RE: A&M 3.2

Old 02-16-2007 | 10:45 AM
  #11  
TLH101's Avatar
My Feedback: (90)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,723
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Elephant Butte, N.M.
Default RE: A&M 3.2

OK, ok, Ralph told me.
Old 02-16-2007 | 11:14 AM
  #12  
Antique's Avatar
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,825
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: Somewhere, DC
Default RE: A&M 3.2

And the chainsaw reference manual told me..
Intertec Publishing, 0-87288-521-6
Old 02-17-2007 | 08:27 PM
  #13  
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (5)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Loxahatchee, FL
Default RE: A&M 3.2

Well here's some interesting news. Stopped by my local Stihl dealer today because a Stihl engine I have uses a Mahle cylinder (42mm bore). The Stihl 026 has a 44mm bore. But at $48 for two rings I just couldn't do it. After doing some "Auction Site" searching, I found a new pair of rings for $20.50. They look to be a "Pinned" type like the ones on the motor I have. I guess we'll see when they get here.
Old 02-18-2007 | 12:27 AM
  #14  
Senior Member
My Feedback: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 18,602
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Valley Springs, CA
Default RE: A&M 3.2

Lucky you weren't trying to buy a new cylinder. Cheaper to get the whole saw.
Old 02-26-2007 | 04:35 PM
  #15  
My Feedback: (27)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: huntington, IN
Default RE: A&M 3.2

I also have a A&M 3.2. The thing I have noticed with mine was the crank had a ton of play in it. This caused excessive vibration in the model, especially at idle. The engine itself ran great, started easily etc. I found that the front crank snout does not protrude all the way thru the bearing inner race. Somehow the crank had started to spin in the bearing itself. So what happened was the crank was worn smaller that the I.D of the front bearing. I had to turn the crank shoulder down, and install a sleeve and then press the new front bearing on. It is nice and slop free now. Does your crankshaft have alot of side to side play in it?
Old 02-26-2007 | 05:49 PM
  #16  
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (5)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Loxahatchee, FL
Default RE: A&M 3.2

No, it actually seemes pretty tight. I'm still waiting on the new rings before I can run it. Some how it got loaded with castor oil and the piston had some scratched on it where someone try to hold it with a tool. I broke one of the rings trying to get it out of the groove to clean it. So now I wait.

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.