Well, i just got a bling 3d by seagull aircraft, This will be my first plane bigger than a .40 glow, so i'm looking for some good suggestions on engines. the only requirment i have is that it needs to be able to hover and pull out (the plane will wiegh 14-16lbs.)

Thanks,
Austin

I'd check out www.brillelli.com . He has several nice gas engines. And great support.

Also DL 50, www.dlusa.net

Both Brillelli, and DL are really GREAT engines for the buying.

My vote is for the DL50 too -- there are now a couple in our club (including mine) and they just run so nicely that it makes no sense to take risk on some other brand or pay more for something like a DA (which doesn't run as well anyway).

I'll add my vote for Brillelli.. no risk there they run great.

If you want a darn good (used) engine for a reasonable price, look for a well taken care of second hand Brison 3.2 Seems they're going pretty cheap these days!

Thanks guys

Well I saw a DL50 running for the first time this weekend and it was impressive and it looks definetly to be pulling harder and sounded more uniform than a DA50. He was getting 6800 on a PT 22x8 at first gallon. And, he flew twice, no problem. However, on the 3rd time up, the motor was acting wierd on starting.....would run for about 2 seconds and stop. He fliped for about 15-20minutes and it never ran longer than 2-3 seconds. Sounded over leaned or dry but he hadn't changed any carb settings. Also, looking at my plane and his in the air, my B60, pulling a 23x8 at 7000 was also pulling harder on basically the same plane, his being a 2nd generation.

After we landed, his plane was apart on the bench and he and a crowd of 5 people were troubleshooting....not sure what the problem was....and unfortunately, theres not a lot of people to call if you got a DL50 and thats happens to you. That right there is were the rubber hits the road on the chinese import. I hope he figures it out. He doesn't have a lot of experience and this was his first gas motor. I felt sorry for him....because the problem looked a little daunting to him. If it were that bad of a tuning problem, it would have shown up in the first two flights.

I was going to post here, reminding everyone that a 60cc engine SHOULD NOT be compared with a 50cc engine, then I realized that it would be way off topic, and decided not to go there.

Bob...I didn't recommend that he buy a 60 or any motor for that matter. And, I was only comparing my 60 to a 50 because it was on the same exact plane. I am only recounting a true situation with a DL50 so that folks realize when they have their DL50 at the field, or any Chinese import for that matter, AND its the FIRST gas motor, besides the people at the field and this forum, where do they turn. Hopefully DLUSA---- if thats where they purchased it....otherwise they are up the creek and not only do they have no paddle, but theres a gigantic hole in the bottom of the boat.

Now, if you have experience with a gas motor, then a Chinese import might not be as big of a gamble. However, if this is your first motor, its a mighty big limb to climb out on in my opinion. Too many folks buying gas motors that have never even taken a carb a part.

Yep.
I removed my DL 50 from my Yak, because the Brillelli 60cc puts out more power, and performs best on that airframe.

There are many 50 cc engines, a few 52, a couple 53, and that's about it.

Then you jump to 60 cc. They put out more power than 40, or 50cc, engines.

I have not heard of this plane thats why I didn't want to suggest an engine. If his plane weighs 16 lbs though, and he wants to pull out of a hover, hes going to be better served by a 50cc under the cowl than a 40 I think.

With gas engines it is absolutely essential that your fuel is well filtered (during mixing) and that you use a *good* filter in the fuel line. If you don't the small sintered filter in the carby will soon clog and produce the symptoms you describe.

If the sintered filter bocks then it's pretty common for the engine to fire (maybe even run) while the choke is on but stop when the choke is turned off.

Another possibility is a weak ignition battery or a faulty ignition -- apart from that, gas engines aren't really any more complex than a glow motor.

3MM TOC 53 from www.dawghouserc.com. Excellent motor. I have been flying mine for almost a year now and have not had a single problem with it. Starts very easily, easy to tune and runs perfect. Excellent power. Not one dead stick landing all year. And the best customer service you'll find a DawghouseRC and Scott.

I liked the 3MM - TOC 53cc that I bought from Tom at Wildhare, also. He, too, provides very good service, and is quick to address questions, shipped almost before payment got there!

I think the 53 may be heavier than some others, because of the front crankcase design, and I know that helps make it an amazingly-smooth 50-cc-class engine. Mine was smooth as anything I've ever run, including the Taurus T-52 (which is also a 50cc class engine).

Obviously we disagree...and you've already helped to make my point. There is no sintered block in any of the carbs in my glow motors. Also glow fuel all in all is pretty clean, so a filter is nice but not a necessity on a glow motor. More likely to get dirt and insects in through the throat. Gas coming from the bottom of a tank in the ground is a different story. The carb on my glow motor can be taken apart at the field in less than 3 minutes and usually one screwdriver. Theres really only two parts not including the screws. A gas motor is much more complex. On a glow motor, you put the plug in and forget about it. You don't even need to worry about whether there's actually ignition happening at predetermined times.

There are a lot of folks I see at the field that have trouble getting their glow motors running correctly and are flying with it obviously not tuned correctly....they typically boast 2 or more years RC flying experience. A glow motor is in a whole different league. Here in the US, it is extremelly helpful to have a vendor you can fall back on if you run into a strange problem and its your first gas motor. Now if you have a lot of experience with motors, and motor overhaul like you XJet, then yes, its not a whole lot more complex. I think a lot of folks are looking at their backgrounds and not considering the background of some others that enter the hobby and can't really even build the plane from sticks.

Don't know about his plane, however, I know the person with problems on his DL had a filter on his gas jug....as I saw it.

This is not a 50cc but a new line of Zenoah 62cc that will come with electronic ignition and muffler. Same case as a G62 and anybody that has been around RC gas engines know the power of a G62.

Strange, no-one has backed up the local support for the DL. There is US based sales and support for the DL-50. Bob Kramer at www.DLusa.net. Bob is a phone call, or email away, and very willing and able to assist with any engine related problem or question. So, that can be put to rest.

Also, the EI G62 is not applicable to this particular thread, and is nothing new. Ralph at RCignitions has been providing a top notch version of an EI g62 for what seems like forever.

Chad

So, Austin, after all the info here, we hope you made a good choice. I hope that you didn't miss the Bling video on www.dlusa.net 's site.... that's Bob Kramer flying his crashed/rebuilt/DL-50 powered Bling. Seems to have pretty good performance at 15 lbs!!!

The Bling looks like it was a good plane to have; I wish it hadn't been d/c'd.

And the weight.[8D]

With gas engines it is absolutely essential that your fuel is well filtered (during mixing) and that you use a *good* filter in the fuel line.


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While I agree wholeheartedly with filtering fuel, at the risk of starting another raging debate, I submit again, that if your on-board fuel system needs filtered, you've already lost the battle. Keep your storage can clean (clean out between fill-ups), use a good filter on the dispensing line, and you will be fine, with an open, free-flowing line all the way to the carb. Those felt in-take filters will break down with time, and cause the very thing you are trying to prevent - a clogged crap trap in the carb.

Looks like all up weight

1952 grams
68.7 oz
4.29 lbs

Milton

Wow, 3 whole ounces more than a Brillelli 60gt, and 8 oz more than a DL-50. That IS heavy!

Yes but it is 13.3 oz lighter than a G62 and I think will be about or a little less in cost.

About $200.00 less than a Brillelli 60

From what I have found out so far there will be a US distributor and US support.

Milton

Sorry, I was trying to be facetious.