Hangar 9 Cap 232 33% not popular?
11-01-2005, 03:37 PM
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This was my first gasser with a zdz 80, all stock with carbon gear. A little intimidating at first but after my first landing all my fears of giant gassers vanished. very easy to land and a good 3d trainer. BTW the 4/40 wing screw is the best method. I epoxy a 4/40 lock nut inside the tube so there is no worry about stripping. very quick assembly at the field.
11-01-2005, 05:03 PM
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RE: Hangar 9 Cap 232 33% not popular?
I'm flying one of these. Mine snaps out with high elevator throw. I've heard that these Hanger 9 1/3 scale Caps didn't do that, but mine is doing it. My plane came out nice and light too. It's 24lbs 1 oz. Do I just have a CG problem? My CG is near the aft of the recommended range so it's not like it's real tail heavy.
I just wasn't expecting it to snap out on me like that.
Jim
I just wasn't expecting it to snap out on me like that.
Jim
11-01-2005, 05:39 PM
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flying in thin air no less......might have something to aggravate the problem. ANY plane will snap out of a loop if the loop is too small and the elevator causes the angle of attack to be greater than 'safe' angles 
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11-01-2005, 05:55 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure flying at 5,000 ft altitude doesn't help, but my other planes don't do this. It's the dredded Cap snap, I just thought they "designed" it out of this plane.
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11-01-2005, 06:08 PM
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They are great kits. I had a Zenoah GT80 on mine and got it converted to Turboprop.
Unlimited performance.
Here is a pic.
Unlimited performance.
Here is a pic.
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I have an opportunity to get a Hangar 9 Cap 232 33% with a BME 110 rtf at a good price. I know it is well maintained and a great plane. This will be my first large scale plane. In my short time of research I have found that this is not a very popular model for competition. Why is that? Everything I read lends me to believe this is a great flying model. Is is out of style? I see a lot of Extra 330's, Yak's, Edge 540's and a few others, but no Cap 232's. I am relatively new to the Scale Aerobatic scene, as I started off with helis and have been totally immersed in that world for the past 3 years. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
I have an opportunity to get a Hangar 9 Cap 232 33% with a BME 110 rtf at a good price. I know it is well maintained and a great plane. This will be my first large scale plane. In my short time of research I have found that this is not a very popular model for competition. Why is that? Everything I read lends me to believe this is a great flying model. Is is out of style? I see a lot of Extra 330's, Yak's, Edge 540's and a few others, but no Cap 232's. I am relatively new to the Scale Aerobatic scene, as I started off with helis and have been totally immersed in that world for the past 3 years. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
11-01-2005, 06:33 PM
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RE: Hangar 9 Cap 232 33% not popular?
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Yeah, I'm sure flying at 5,000 ft altitude doesn't help, but my other planes don't do this. It's the dredded Cap snap, I just thought they "designed" it out of this plane.
Jim
Yeah, I'm sure flying at 5,000 ft altitude doesn't help, but my other planes don't do this. It's the dredded Cap snap, I just thought they "designed" it out of this plane.
Jim
Mine didn't do it.
11-01-2005, 07:01 PM
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Mine won't snap at all but my flying buddies will, but only if the airspeed is too high for 3d rates. His weighs 24 pounds even but I think he is a touch nose heavy.
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11-01-2005, 07:23 PM
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If I move my CG AFT it will not snap as quick.
It is now forward a lot so it is more stable and better for precision flying.
It is now forward a lot so it is more stable and better for precision flying.
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Hmmmmm...
I wish I knew what it was that is making it snap so I could fix it.
Jim
Hmmmmm...
I wish I knew what it was that is making it snap so I could fix it.
Jim
11-01-2005, 08:05 PM
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I had to look epitome up.....
It is a nice set-up, I used the CAP since I had been flying it for a few years and I though it would be a perfect test bed for the TBProp to get me prepared for the Tucano.
Check out the video:
www.altecare.com/cap232tbprop2.wmv
It is a nice set-up, I used the CAP since I had been flying it for a few years and I though it would be a perfect test bed for the TBProp to get me prepared for the Tucano.
Check out the video:
www.altecare.com/cap232tbprop2.wmv
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EICAS,
A turboprop CAP... now THAT, my friend, is the epitomy of bad ***!!
EICAS,
A turboprop CAP... now THAT, my friend, is the epitomy of bad ***!!
11-01-2005, 09:50 PM
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RE: Hangar 9 Cap 232 33% not popular?
Nope, I mean aft.
Don't know why.
I "assume" that it has something to do with getting the center of lift and center of weight at or near the same point. Don't know, but with it forward is snaps really easy and aft, it takes more deflection to snap.
Don't know why.
I "assume" that it has something to do with getting the center of lift and center of weight at or near the same point. Don't know, but with it forward is snaps really easy and aft, it takes more deflection to snap.
ORIGINAL: Hammbone
Don't you mean if you move the CG FORWARD it will not snap as quick?
Jim
Don't you mean if you move the CG FORWARD it will not snap as quick?
Jim
11-02-2005, 12:03 AM
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Yeah, now that you mention it, I've had planes with forward CG that would snap in a heartbeat. I'm sure that high density altitude is adding to that tendency.
11-02-2005, 09:51 AM
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RE: Hangar 9 Cap 232 33% not popular?
How you will know the impact is to fly the plane at your normal speed and adjust your low rate elevator so that you can hold full elevator deflection and have it loop and not snap. Then as you change CG, you can quantitatively measure and understand the impact. That is what I do and it works great.
ORIGINAL: Hammbone
Well, I'll try moving the CG back some and see if that helps.
Thanks, Jim
Well, I'll try moving the CG back some and see if that helps.
Thanks, Jim
02-18-2006, 05:51 PM
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RE: Hangar 9 Cap 232 33% not popular?
I figured i'd bring this thread back up. would like to hear if you guys are still flying the cap.
I just got a deal on one N.I.B. and will be using for a back up i'll be mounting a 3-w 80 XI on mine
I just got a deal on one N.I.B. and will be using for a back up i'll be mounting a 3-w 80 XI on mine
02-18-2006, 08:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: DENNIS C I just got a deal on one N.I.B. and will be using for a back up i'll be mounting a 3-w 80 XI on mine
02-19-2006, 11:11 AM
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Greetings,
I read in an earlier post that Caps got a bad reputation for snapping ( High speed, and low speed ) but someone said that reputation was because of the old Cap 21's. I was told it was inherent to all Caps........
I have always stayed away from this plane because of that reason....I figured if I had to worry about it snapping out, then why bother?
Now after reading all the other posts, it seems that this plane flies as good as any, and it has rekindled my interest in getting one.....
Maybe this is the one Hanger 9 plans to "re-introduce"
I read in an earlier post that Caps got a bad reputation for snapping ( High speed, and low speed ) but someone said that reputation was because of the old Cap 21's. I was told it was inherent to all Caps........
I have always stayed away from this plane because of that reason....I figured if I had to worry about it snapping out, then why bother?
Now after reading all the other posts, it seems that this plane flies as good as any, and it has rekindled my interest in getting one.....
Maybe this is the one Hanger 9 plans to "re-introduce"
02-19-2006, 11:25 AM
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I had my Cap set up with a DA 100 so I know the cost of the plane alone. Was asking( not clearly mind you ) the cost of the Turboprop set up. I will check out the link you posted.
Thanks
Thanks
02-19-2006, 11:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: BR289
Greetings,
but someone said that reputation was because of the old Cap 21's.
Greetings,
but someone said that reputation was because of the old Cap 21's.
The 232 is as good as any other aerobatic model like the Extra 300, Edge 540 etc. No bad habits at all.
02-19-2006, 11:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: stomper
I almost hate to ask, but whats the price tag on a set up like yours?
I almost hate to ask, but whats the price tag on a set up like yours?
The Turboprop engine is the main cost of course.
Prices at:
http://www.altecare.com/pricesrc.htm