I have been practicing on a simulator 3D getting prepared for a nice giant 3d gasser.

I was able to do torque-rolls as well as rolling harrier and other tough 3d stuff. However, I saw the other day a video of a pilot doing inside rolling loop (the plane rolls while it loops) and it was so close to ground.

Anyone here done this with a giant gasser? If yes, how ?

Also, I have been trying to control the plane as if I am inside it and take it to any position I want using power and rudder/elevator in a NATURAL way. In other words, I try not to think about my thump movements but on trying to take the plane exactly where I want to be without thinking how I do it? Is this the best way to control your giant 3d plane?

Thanks in advance!

learn to do a slow roll across the flight line rolling taking about 3-5 seconds to complete. ONce you can do this you will then need to practice on G4.5 the turning part by using the rudder at times and the elevator at other times. thanks that was me doing that low one on the sim

thanks for the tips!

However, what I meant was a rolling "loop", not a rolling "circle".

I will try pull the video clip in the meantime.

Thanks again!

I've actually seen more rolling harrier inside loops than normal rolling loops. You see it in 3D with the guys that really fly it well. I saw Frank Knoll doing them at a Fun fly near Chicago last summer with a 40% (Great planes Extra 42% I think). He wasn't even going more than a 100 feet off the ground at his max altitude. Something to see.

One thing I like to do is square inside loops with a roll in each leg. Very fun. For an extra rush tighten them up as much as you can.

q8cub - go to the 3dhobbyshop website and check out the video of Andew Jesky flying the Slick 540 because he does a rolling loop from inverted. Also, krayzc's advice is good for a rolling circle or loop ... just a matter of timming the rudder/elevator to get the plane where you want it.

http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/detail.aspx?ID=2430

I had a video of Quique S preforming a outside loop from inverted very low, with only one roll through out. This was years ago at a TOC and after watching the video I was determined to try it myself.
I find for a smooth round loop you need horsepower, moderate control throw but not to much, and a forward C.G not a 3d C.G.
practice with long slow rolls to start with then move on to rolling circles.
rolling loops are no different than rolling circles, except for the force of gravity squashing the top of the loop. At the top of the loop minimal rudder is needed.
When I started with circles and loops I used a stick plane at home with my transmitter imagnating the transmitter control inputs as the plane performs a circle or loop.

with loops it is best to start with the first half only.
Anthony

There is no such thing as a rolling inside loop - it's just a rolling loop. It is impossible to do an inside loop while also rolling because you are using down elevator at times, too, as well as left and right rudder.
I do rolling loops all the time. I prefer to do them at a fast roll rate to keep them exciting, and to randomly change the roll direction in the middle of them as well.
You should learn the slow rolls like someone else mentioned here first, then complete rolling circles, then the loops. Fun-flying rolling loops are going to be the easiest to learn because you don't have to really compensate for gravity. The loop will look egg-shaped, but it's still a loop and it still looks cool.


A key trick to know about rollers is that if you roll left, it is always left-up-right-down-left-up-right down..., and rolling right will always be right-up-left-down-right-up-left-down... The only thing that changes is where you start in that order, and where you start will determine the direction that the plane goes. It may climb, drop, turn left, or turn right depending on where you start in the rudder/elevator input order.
The only time this is not the case is in a precision rolling loop, where gravity acts on the plane differently. I would suggest you make the precision rolling loop the last rolling maneuver you practice.

Bodywerks is right, there is no such thing as an "inside or outside'' rolling loop. Just rolling loop's. I would say that Quique somenzini is THE MASTER of the rolling loop. perfectly round with a consistent single roll!! [X(] NOT an easy manuever to do with precision.

Marc 540[8D]

Thanks guy so much for the help! This is what is so nice about rcuniverse. You share knowledge with others and you learn.

Yes! You are right! I was wrong in stating "inside rolling loop", because when a plane rolls it becomes both inside and outside during each roll. Actually what I was trying to describe is a rolling loop that starts by "dropping" the plane towards the ground while it is rolling, then recovering it just above ground level. I am not sure if this is a standard 3D formation or an ad-hoc one.

The following video clip is what triggered my curiousity and at exactly 3 minutes and 10 second of this video is the part I am talking about.

http://www.qqaircraft.com/default.as...s_page=zakwest


Thanks again!

Inside loop

No problem!!!

Hey,
Good luck practicing on the simulator.
I have been flyaing the 3D for a little while, but cant do all that crazy stuff that you guys can. But I know it takes a lot on either the sim or on the field at a higher altitude. Just a note for practicing a rolling loop, try a wider loop for the first half, so you have time to pull out of it when gravity starts speeding it up.

-TJ

I have to do outside "roops", not enough ceiling height to do inside "roops". (sorryhad to!!)_

been practicing since first post and was able to roll it while taking the plane virtually to any direction mostly by controling elevator during "change of direction" with the help of rudder but rudder mostly used to keep knife-edge when plane is sidways.

In summary, the best thing to do is practice, practice and practice until it feels almost natural without even thinking about whether rudder should be left or right. Also, the torque roll helps in getting the "natural feeling" as if you're inside the plane. I would argue that "torgue rolls" tought me how to feel in full control of the plane.

Of course with simulator you can always try more wild "near ground" moves

Thanks all for your nice help

Merry christmas and Happy new year in advance!