You want a light. inexpensive, powerful for class + user friendly and ultra reliable .61?? O.S. already make one. An obvious choice, it's called the 65LA. Yet again, another undeserved victim of vogue.

Not intended disrespectfully Asmund, I simply don't believe your "no problems" claim. We've a share of Magnums and ASPs everywhere here too, and I well remember SC and why it and the ASP brand were locally unmarketable and unwanted orphans for so long after their initial intro here back in the late 80's. I also have eyes, ears and an intellect capable of analytical observation of their contemporary product. Undeniably, now, some certainly do run OK, but they're still mediocre at best at way too high a pricepoint for anything produced in PRC to the QC standard they are. There will always be buyers who buy soley on price or who can't pass up a seeming 'bargain'. I'm not one of them. Anything Sanye is too much of a lottery, and I'm not a gambler. Again do a search here. Threads will reveal.

Well yes, just like there's a chance we could all die in infancy too. But being born in a Western country with our statistically low infant mortality rates compared to undeveloped impoverished countries kinda' drastically reduces the probability of that occurring. The analogy being that buying O.S. generally does too, but undeniably every manufacturer has its occasional problem child. And that's even without considering the fact that pretty much any idiot or person with zero mechanical aptitude, which accounts for a high proportion of the chracteristic new entrant into RC today, can destroy any engine without a lot applied intelligence. But to actually challenge your peeling point, can you point me to a single mentioned incident of an actual .61FX liner peeling characteristic of the manufacturing flaw that did actually occur with early through mid production .46FX engines. It occurred with the .46FX liners only TMK...???

That's a comforting theory for the classroom Asmund. Unfortunately it's absolutely flawed in practice in the dynamic teaching environment of aviation instruction be it full size or RC. Three words. L o a d__ s h e d__ t h r e s h o l d. Or in RC jargon, "brain jam", "brain fudge", "numb thumbs".

That's heartening to hear. Such a shame Super Tigre doesn't apply a similar modus operandi to theirs (problems).

I guess you are one of them OS lovers, just remeber I too own OS engines, and YS and MVVS and.... I have no brand loyalty really I guess you are right about them ASP and Magnums from the 80`s but maybe, just maybe things have changed some the last 20 years? There`s alot of highly respected names in here that are very happy with their Sanye engines from these days. I guess you are right about the LA 65 beeing a great option, it is cheap, more powerful than the 61 fx and much lighter too I don`t disagree with you on that so take it easy, this is just a hobby and I just gave my opinions about this matter, it might differ slightly from yours, but in general I think we agree on most parts

Oh I forgot, do your own research a little better (you pick on mine all the time) and you will soon find that it was NOT only the 46 fx that was burdened with this peeling problem, also some LA`s, 32 fx`s, 61 fx`s and what not. Most all OS engines with nikel can peel because the very same plating technology is used on them. I don`t have anything against OS, I will just only buy their ringed engines and on top of my wishlist right now is the |120 ax, so there you go[8D]

Er, no. I'm seldom emotionally irrational about anything material. I recognise O.S.' strengths as well as their few weaknesses, and don't slavishly follow brand association as a substitute for craved recognition at the field. Bottom line is this. When a nOOb asks me to recommend him an engine, whilst I'd sooner sugget Thunder Tiger, I know he'll baulk at the name, the unfamiliar red box and more often than not presented with an insecurity born of irrational bias at the hobby shop which he is simply not able to assess or counter. OTOH I can confidently recommend an O.S. knowing it'll be available everywhere, he'll be able to brand associate the blue box he's seen, the hobby shop will happily sell him one and not try to dissuade him to buy another brand, and most importantly, on balance of probability, he'll bolt in for an absolutely problem free first or second RC engine experience.

What more can he ask for or you want other than a lower price?

As it is, O.S. have rationialised ther pricing over the past couple of years so that it's still fair and reasonable compared with western incomes, if still not the cheapest. The price of spares has only become a major issue since the price drop of some of their engines which makes items such as replacement carbs or N/V assemblies disproportionately expensive in comparion with buying a complete unit. Probably the most salient example of this was the ABN liner fiasco of the .46FX, where replacement with a new P&L, gudgeon and clips is simply economically triaged out of the equation. For the record, I have yet to see a failed .46AX liner..and I see a lot of them in ops every other day. O.S. seem to have solved the problem with their new dual coating process. Longevity? Well the engines are made for the U.S market's consumption driven sales model and buying trends.

Don't you? I do. Well kind of. That is to say, there are sport brands I prefer generally (Enya & TT) and would prefer to buy which are a hallmark of the quailities I seek, but I buy what suits my need or the purpose and triage on value vs price: eg: TTPRO 46 vs O.S. 46AX. However O.S. has since narrowed that price margin as well as offering a wider range of type and size options. FTR superb european product such as MVVS aren't marketed in Australia, and Moki only in a low profile and very limited distribution. Brands I own and operate myself. Cipolla, Rossi, Enya, O.S., PAW, Super Tigre (all Italian), Thunder Tiger, Irvine (U.K. Manuf) to name but a few.

What I refuse to buy is high probability "maybe it will, maybe it" won't unreliability or outright trash.

And equally as many who aren't. I've deduced my own minimum acceptabilty threshold parameters. Sanye doesn't meet them, nor does Super Tigre until they rid themselves of that MAG monstrosity.

Never lost sight on that Asmund, as you haven't. I will never understand why there is this vile PC perception today that disagreeing over a point can't be done with civility and acceptance on both sides, and that adults shouldn't have to sit here typing one another infantile 'group hugs' or fuzzy warm feeling trite nonsense so that those who can't identify that personalising opinion into indication of self-worth is as stupid as they are can play too.

Not generally as a consequence of the manufacturing process which afflicted the .46FX in general. TMK the others are specific instance isolated examples. If you can point us to evidence indicating to to the contrary, please do.

Asmund, you are now exaggerating with an extrordinary generalisations the hope of finding a straw which will keep the premise of your new anti - O.S. ABL liner 'argument' afloat. Needless to say, even if you find one, it ain't gonna' support the weight you want it to carry. [sm=cry_smile.gif]

Buy ringed if that pleases you. I'm sure O.S. won't mind, and neither will I.

Ok, so we agree then

the guy asks a simple question. relies on a simple answer(relatively) without debate and technical b...sh... And what does this site offer......


just give advice on your own true experience. If for some strange chance in this world
that your opinions don't parallel with others......put a cork in it and let it go. help the guy
and be on with your engine ego.

I agree!!! and by the way........................Happy New Year all !!

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What I refuse to buy is high probability "maybe it will, maybe it" won't unreliability or outright trash.


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I began buying ASP engines in 1992. None of my ASP engines (all two-strokes back then) had a single, solitary problem and back then I was flying several times a week - long before diabetes knocked me on my Tukkus.

While others in the club were having problems with ASP engines, I had zero. I bought, owned and flew two .12, one .46 and one 1.08 Redhead. All of the carbs worked as advertised. None had rod or crankshaft failures, or any other kind of failures.

I must admit that I am old school when it comes to using castor oil. Back then I was having fuel mixed for me by S&W. It had 5% nitro, half synthetic and half castor oil. Sometimes I ran 5% nitro with all castor oil, depending on the mood I was in and the majority of engine types I was using. I never trust any engine to all synthetic oil unless it is a major brand name, like OS, Enya, Webra, YS, Rossi, etc. Sub brands, like anything Chinese, Fox, Merco or K&B all get a fair dosing of castor oil in the lube package.

Folks showed up at the field with stuck throttle barrels. I told them how to fix them. No, they'd rather whine and cry about buying a piece of junk than fixing it and flying it. I've had new Enya, Fox, K&B and OS engines with throttle barrels that stuck after a while. The fix is simple and easy. I don't have time for whiners.

For me, the Chinese engines have represented true value. Now I am saddened that they are raising their prices to the point that one may as well buy a higher quality brand name engine (NO - not Magnum). Back when the Chinese engines were at one half to two thirds the price of an OS, I bought. I had not bought any Chinese engines for quite a while, until a couple of weeks ago. I bought two Sanye engines (ASP) from Peakmodel in NZ. Their prices were in the buyable range that I established versus OS. Since then, the prices have been drifting upwards. Who knows, it could be the devaluation of the dollar. I don't know and don't care. I'll just buy the higher quality brand names until the Chinese engines fall to their old price point.

Am I brand loyal? No, not really. I'm also not political about buying products. To me, that is idiotic and short sighted. The best way to change a communist to a capitalist is to help their business succeed by not discriminating against them. Conversely, I don't buy their products out of sympathy.

Happy New Year


Ed Cregger

For a trainer, there's a ton of .60 size engine choices out there. O.S. .65 LA or .60 FX would be my first choice if money wasn't an issue, but for the budget conscious, those new Chinese made Super Tigres are hard to beat performance, longevity and overall value wise - they are just a tad harder to adjust than an O.S., but if you quickly llearn how to make mixture adjustments correctly, this is not a problem. A friend recently bought a new Evolution 1.00 and we ran it up last week on my test stand. I was very impressed by the fit, finish and how quickly it broke in. Like an O.S., in minutes it was run in and running flawlessly. The Evolution series of engines are, like the O.S. LA series, aimed specifically at beginners/trainers and come with limiters on the low and high speed adjustment needles. If you can obtain an Evolution engine cheap, there's another option.