Designing own engine.
08-25-2007 | 09:52 AM
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Designing own engine.
Hi!
I've been designing a 4-cylinder 2-stroke motor that would be relatively easy to machine.
If anyone here has SolidWorks 2007 and knows something about motors could you have a look and tell me that will it run if i make one? What needs to be altered? Is there actually any chance making one that runs?
Solidworks 2007: http://user.personal.fi/atk/Lahha/Engine.rar
eDrawings: http://user.personal.fi/atk/Lahha/Edrawings_engine.rar
All the part names are in finnish but i don't think that i'll be a problem.
I've been designing a 4-cylinder 2-stroke motor that would be relatively easy to machine.
If anyone here has SolidWorks 2007 and knows something about motors could you have a look and tell me that will it run if i make one? What needs to be altered? Is there actually any chance making one that runs?
Solidworks 2007: http://user.personal.fi/atk/Lahha/Engine.rar
eDrawings: http://user.personal.fi/atk/Lahha/Edrawings_engine.rar
All the part names are in finnish but i don't think that i'll be a problem.
08-25-2007 | 02:12 PM
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.rar files can be opened with WinRAR: http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm
Unpacked eDrwings files: http://user.personal.fi/atk/Lahha/edraw/
Unpacked eDrwings files: http://user.personal.fi/atk/Lahha/edraw/
08-25-2007 | 03:50 PM
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It looks like piston port induction. Why is the slot for the connecting rod so small, why not the same as the cylinder bore? I think the basic idea is feasible. Did you check port timing and areas? Also crank journal sizes. Connecting rod will probably need a cap at the big end. Could you make the crankcase in two pieces instead of three?
08-25-2007 | 04:45 PM
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RE: Designing own engine.
ORIGINAL: gkamysz
Why is the slot for the connecting rod so small, why not the same as the cylinder bore?
Why is the slot for the connecting rod so small, why not the same as the cylinder bore?
ORIGINAL: gkamysz
Did you check port timing and areas? Also crank journal sizes.
Did you check port timing and areas? Also crank journal sizes.
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Could you make the crankcase in two pieces instead of three?
Could you make the crankcase in two pieces instead of three?
08-25-2007 | 04:45 PM
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I don't mean to rain on your party, but why not use one currently available? The available modern engines will run much better than anything you could make because of the precision machining and decades of experience from previous tried and tested designs.
08-25-2007 | 04:58 PM
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RE: Designing own engine.
ORIGINAL: Nathan King
I don't mean to rain on your party, but why not use one currently available? The available modern engines will run much better than anything you could make because of the precision machining and decades of experience from previous tried and tested designs.
I don't mean to rain on your party, but why not use one currently available? The available modern engines will run much better than anything you could make because of the precision machining and decades of experience from previous tried and tested designs.
Mayde later i'll make one that actually can be used in some RC model.
08-25-2007 | 09:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: Nathan King
I don't mean to rain on your party, but why not use one currently available? The available modern engines will run much better than anything you could make because of the precision machining and decades of experience from previous tried and tested designs.
I don't mean to rain on your party, but why not use one currently available? The available modern engines will run much better than anything you could make because of the precision machining and decades of experience from previous tried and tested designs.
Those guys who like to design and build their own planes would probably understand. The guys who like em' RTF probably will not
Not that there's anything wrong with that. I have built dozens of engine in the past 10 or 12 years and it still gets my adreniline flowing like nothing else to bring a new engine to life. Amazing feeling, worth the many hours of work.AJC
08-25-2007 | 10:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: ajcoholic
The hobby of model engineering, and specifically designing and building one's own engines is amazingly rewarding. Yes, its a lot of work but machining a complete engine (either from barstock, your own castings or from a casting set) and getting it to run well is a feeling like none other.
Those guys who like to design and build their own planes would probably understand. The guys who like em' RTF probably will not Not that there's anything wrong with that. I have built dozens of engine in the past 10 or 12 years and it still gets my adreniline flowing like nothing else to bring a new engine to life. Amazing feeling, worth the many hours of work.
AJC
ORIGINAL: Nathan King
I don't mean to rain on your party, but why not use one currently available? The available modern engines will run much better than anything you could make because of the precision machining and decades of experience from previous tried and tested designs.
I don't mean to rain on your party, but why not use one currently available? The available modern engines will run much better than anything you could make because of the precision machining and decades of experience from previous tried and tested designs.
Those guys who like to design and build their own planes would probably understand. The guys who like em' RTF probably will not
Not that there's anything wrong with that. I have built dozens of engine in the past 10 or 12 years and it still gets my adreniline flowing like nothing else to bring a new engine to life. Amazing feeling, worth the many hours of work.AJC
We're "tinkerers"!
08-25-2007 | 10:47 PM
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Here's what I would do. Find an engine that is similar in bore, stroke, and RPM to what you want to build. "Borrow" porting from it. Any sport RC glow engine will work, for instance an OS LA series.
I didn't look at the size of this engine, what is the displacement?
If you don't know about this site, take a look. www.modelenginenews.org
I didn't look at the size of this engine, what is the displacement?
If you don't know about this site, take a look. www.modelenginenews.org
08-26-2007 | 01:55 AM
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Exactly what GK said. What would be wrong with taking the porting/timing of a current successful engine, and applying it to your own?
"Men of Steal" have long dominated the scene.
Good luck with your project, and won't you have a grin on your face when that baby fires off for the first time.
You can't win if you don't play. Go for it!
"Men of Steal" have long dominated the scene.
Good luck with your project, and won't you have a grin on your face when that baby fires off for the first time.
You can't win if you don't play. Go for it!
08-26-2007 | 05:04 AM
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RE: Designing own engine.
ORIGINAL: gkamysz
I didn't look at the size of this engine, what is the displacement?
I didn't look at the size of this engine, what is the displacement?
Bore: 25.00mm
Stroke: 30.00mm
You think Team Infinity .18 RTR would be any help? It's the only engine i have atm.
E: My friend has some .40 airplane engine.
08-26-2007 | 05:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: Lahha
It's 60cc.
Bore: 25.00mm
Stroke: 30.00mm
It's 60cc.
Bore: 25.00mm
Stroke: 30.00mm
The bore and the stroke you had quoted calculate to 14.73 cc, or roughly 15 cc; not 60 cc.
From the long stroke design, I would say it would be more appropriate as a Diesel.
08-26-2007 | 07:08 AM
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RE: Designing own engine.
ORIGINAL: DarZeelon
Lahha,
The bore and the stroke you had quoted calculate to 14.73 cc, or roughly 15 cc; not 60 cc.
From the long stroke design, I would say it would be more appropriate as a Diesel.
ORIGINAL: Lahha
It's 60cc.
Bore: 25.00mm
Stroke: 30.00mm
It's 60cc.
Bore: 25.00mm
Stroke: 30.00mm
The bore and the stroke you had quoted calculate to 14.73 cc, or roughly 15 cc; not 60 cc.
From the long stroke design, I would say it would be more appropriate as a Diesel.
08-26-2007 | 07:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: Lahha
4*15=60
ORIGINAL: DarZeelon
Lahha,
The bore and the stroke you had quoted calculate to 14.73 cc, or roughly 15 cc; not 60 cc.
From the long stroke design, I would say it would be more appropriate as a Diesel.
ORIGINAL: Lahha
It's 60cc.
Bore: 25.00mm
Stroke: 30.00mm
It's 60cc.
Bore: 25.00mm
Stroke: 30.00mm
The bore and the stroke you had quoted calculate to 14.73 cc, or roughly 15 cc; not 60 cc.
From the long stroke design, I would say it would be more appropriate as a Diesel.
Oops! Lahha,
I only read your last post and was assuming it was a single cylinder engine...
Now, I see it is a four-cylinder engine...
08-26-2007 | 03:12 PM
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No, I would not use a car engine for this, they often run at 30-40,000 RPM. Any .40 or larger sport engine would be good. Considering you are looking at 15cc per cylinder, I would try to find a larger engine. I'll look to see if I have any timing specifications for larger engines.
08-28-2007 | 04:41 PM
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Exactly what GK said. What would be wrong with taking the porting/timing of a current successful engine, and applying it to your own?
"Men of Steal" have long dominated the scene.
Good luck with your project, and won't you have a grin on your face when that baby fires off for the first time.
You can't win if you don't play. Go for it!
Exactly what GK said. What would be wrong with taking the porting/timing of a current successful engine, and applying it to your own?
"Men of Steal" have long dominated the scene.
Good luck with your project, and won't you have a grin on your face when that baby fires off for the first time.
You can't win if you don't play. Go for it!
08-28-2007 | 04:54 PM
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RE: Designing own engine.
I am somewhat of an incrementalist. I would first make a single cylinder engine, then a twin, then three cylinder, then four, etc. etc. Learn a lot at each step and end up making a better four cylinder than if I had started there.
