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Old 04-20-2017, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bigtj10
I would also like to be a member of this Sig Forum no matter what number; I have a Sig Senior Kadet built n 1983 and a Somethin' Extra kit in the box.
For sure, Tom! Welcome to the SIG Brotherhood! Gotcha logged with #181

YE GADS! GONNA HAVE TO RE-VAMP THE LISTING Y'ALL. WILL LIST THE GROUP A BIT LATER.

EDIT - trying a few different methods. First is to attach a ms-doc to this msg with full brotherhood listing.
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:09 PM
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Hokay, gonna try attaching my original .txt document. It's a "no frills" thing, but the listing is there.
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Old 04-23-2017, 08:28 AM
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Hey Dave is the attachment doc your using to list the brotherhood because of the new wonderful forum revamp?
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No it will still post direct to the forum. It is getting to be a long list though. I just copied his txt file and pasted it direct to see what would happen.


    1 - Hazel & Glenn Sigafoose
    2 - Maxey Hester & the team
    3 - acdii
    4 - RCKen
    5 - DGUY
    6 - DBD1
    7 - fix-n-fly
    8 - foodstick
    9 - UPF-7
    10 - jeffie8696
    11 - skyrat71
    12 - Leroy Gardner
    13 - CanDo
    14 - JPMacG
    15 - Thunder Chicken
    16 - 5skyhawk172
    17 - Cutlass 60
    18 - Mr-Punk
    19 - Sabreryder
    20 - eastkurt
    21 - FlyerInOKC
    22 - rtn9105
    23 - oliveDrab
    24 - triumphman49
    25 - ARUP
    26 - willig10
    27 - malitape
    28 - OLDFLYER2
    29 - justin80
    30 - Jim Branaum
    31 - crawler tech
    32 - yel914
    33 - ThunderBoat42
    34 - sbd-3
    35 - Thatsakitbuilt
    36 - blw
    37 - Mike Gretz
    38 - Mako17
    39 - Live Wire
    40 - deanz406
    41 - bchapman
    42 - SrTelemaster150
    43 - SushiHunter
    44 - n8rloves2fly
    45 - M_Callahan
    46 - carlosponti
    47 - xxwolfyxx
    48 - landeck
    49 - cherokeenut
    50 - Mark Thomas
    51 - rphiii
    52 - n0kjf
    53 - cymaz
    54 - OldRookie
    55 - gosch
    56 - ThunderChicken72
    57 - lfd47
    58 - bikerbc
    59 - badger5964
    60 - N1EDM
    61 - Hfrank
    62 - Lowvoltage
    63 - US185Damiani
    64 - hsukaria
    65 - lkruse
    66 - Sgt. Meyer
    67 - G-JIMG
    68 - Hydro Junkie
    69 - Twin_Flyer
    70 - oldsterling
    71 - J T Caldwell
    72 - cloudancer03
    73 - Super08
    74 - Hab
    75 - Smashmaster
    76 - Rv7garage
    77 - Neddy191
    78 - JZHANDYMAN
    79 - Pete Lane
    80 - SIGPlanes
    81 - rcmichael
    82 - larryshobbies
    83 - skyraider71
    84 - Hawk570
    85 - hogflyer
    86 - cubcrasher
    87 - chandler_ace
    88 - Firewalkerd1
    89 - Robin A
    90 - GLGofLB
    91 - On the Deck



    92 - aircraftbuilder67
    93 - FJRrider
    94 - sdcranford
    95 - AMA 74894
    96 - W7APD Alan
    97 - bobsrc
    98 - kiwi4
    99 - Flight Risk
    100 - G.Barber
    101 - I_Fly
    102 - scaleforlife
    103 - balsatermite
    104 - 3136
    105 - rc56
    106 - R/C Addiction
    107 - Fly North
    108 - JFS737
    109 - skylark-flier
    110 - rdgettler
    111 - allamericanflyer
    112 - MartyPetriSr
    113 - tribalturtle2
    114 - Soboflyer
    115 - jollyroger
    116 - Captcrunch44
    117 - 19wingwalker48
    118 - tzlaser44
    119 - larscato
    120 - TomCrump
    121 - guido
    122 - RMeadows
    123 - Old_RC_Guy
    124 - TheComputerGeek
    125 - hook57
    126 - newbiedc
    127 - PipeMajor
    128 - RDJeff
    129 - ABORH
    130 - danpos
    131 - mscic-RCU
    132 - PSB
    133 - aggieman
    134 - Renegade
    135 - bodybuildr
    136 - SigSenior
    138 - mike 71
    137 -
    139 - merto31
    140 - thobin
    141 - numb3rulz
    142 - Gary in Fla
    143 - VincentJ
    144 - RICKSTUBBZ
    145 - EJWash1
    146 - BigTeeEldorado
    147 - Aquila1954
    148 - jwharkinz
    149 - TCraft Lover
    150 - Pork Chop
    151 - drube
    152 - trainermaster80
    153 - samklem
    154 - tkametz
    155 - Vinnie6
    156 - budof561
    157 - RKRick
    158 - leojzamboni
    159 - sgtmonte
    160 - smallrc
    161 - daywalker
    162 - angel asenjo
    163 - Jeff Spicoli
    164 - themutsnutz
    165 - mvarzoni
    166 - Big Stikflyer
    167 - gutmark
    168 - knuckleball
    169 - capt. crunch jr.
    170 - flygilmore
    171 - Yasbush
    172 - cardinalflyer
    173 - bbrowncods
    174 - pmoen70
    175 - GSXR1000
    176 - Comper
    177 - stinsonsr9
    178 - scale buff
    179 - F4 Phantom blue angles
    180 - OKC_Jim
    181 - bigtj10


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Old 04-23-2017, 07:37 PM
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Yes, exactly! I've been using multiple columns for AGES to bring down the length of the listing. Just for giggles, here's what that same list (3 columns) looks like now:1-Hazel & Glenn Sigafoose66-Sgt. Meyer131-mscic-RCU2-Maxey Hester & the team67-G-JIMG132-PSB3-acdii68-Hydro Junkie133-aggieman4-RCKen69-Twin_Flyer134-Renegade5-DGUY70-oldsterling135-bodybuildr6-DBD171-J T Caldwell136-SigSenior7-fix-n-fly72-cloudancer03137-ZOR (banned)8-foodstick73-Super08138-mike 719-UPF-774-Hab139-merto3110-jeffie869675-Smashmaster140-thobin11-skyrat7176-Rv7garage141-numb3rulz12-Leroy Gardner77-Neddy191142-Gary in Fla13-CanDo78-JZHANDYMAN143-VincentJ14-JPMacG79-Pete Lane144-RICKSTUBBZ15-Thunder Chicken80-SIGPlanes145-EJWash116-5skyhawk17281-rcmichael146-BigTeeEldorado17-Cutlass 6082-larryshobbies147-Aquila195418-Mr-Punk83-skyraider71148-jwharkinz19-Sabreryder84-Hawk570149-TCraft Lover20-eastkurt85-hogflyer150-Pork Chop21-FlyerInOKC86-cubcrasher151-drube22-rtn910587-chandler_ace152-trainermaster8023-oliveDrab88-Firewalkerd1153-samklem24-triumphman4989-Robin A154-tkametz25-ARUP90-GLGofLB155-Vinnie626-willig1091-On the Deck156-budof56127-malitape92-aircraftbuilder67157-RKRick28-OLDFLYER293-FJRrider158-leojzamboni29-justin8094-sdcranford159-sgtmonte30-Jim Branaum95-AMA 74894160-smallrc31-crawler tech96-W7APD Alan161-daywalker32-yel91497-bobsrc162-angel asenjo33-ThunderBoat4298-kiwi4163-Jeff Spicoli34-sbd-399-Flight Risk164-themutsnutz35-Thatsakitbuilt100-G.Barber165-mvarzoni36-blw101-I_Fly166-Big Stikflyer37-Mike Gretz102-scaleforlife167-gutmark38-Mako17103-balsatermite168-knuckleball39-Live Wire104-3136169-capt. crunch jr.40-deanz406105-rc56170-flygilmore41-bchapman106-R/C Addiction171-Yasbush42-SrTelemaster150107-Fly North172-cardinalflyer43-SushiHunter108-JFS737173-bbrowncods44-n8rloves2fly109-skylark-flier174-pmoen7045-M_Callahan110-rdgettler175-GSXR100046-carlosponti111-allamericanflyer176-Comper47-xxwolfyxx112-MartyPetriSr177-stinsonsr948-landeck113-tribalturtle2178-scale buff49-cherokeenut114-Soboflyer179-F4 Phantom blue angles50-Mark Thomas115-jollyroger180-OKC_Jim51-rphiii116-Captcrunch44181-bigtj1052-n0kjf117-19wingwalker4853-cymaz118-tzlaser4454-OldRookie119-larscato55-gosch120-TomCrump56-ThunderChicken72121-guido57-lfd47122-RMeadows58-bikerbc123-Old_RC_Guy59-badger5964124-TheComputerGeek60-N1EDM125-hook5761-Hfrank126-newbiedc62-Lowvoltage127-PipeMajor63-US185Damiani128-RDJeff64-hsukaria129-ABORH65-lkruse130-danpos

OK, untouched - let's see what we've got.

Like I said a couple posts back - YE GADS!

Anyway, like everything else in life, we work with the hand we're dealt. So, at least for the foreseeable future, I'll include the .txt AND the .doc attachments - at least until we figure something better out. No problem really, just different. I could also bone-up on my html - the format DOES include capability for html. Once I figure out the right code, I **could** be back to 3 columns, theoretically.

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I updated the code in my post above to make two columns. Like you mentioned three would be best I think. I noticed there was no person for number 137 so I added in 137 but left the name blank.

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    1 - Hazel & Glenn Sigafoose
    2 - Maxey Hester & the team
    3 - acdii
    4 - RCKen
    5 - DGUY
    6 - DBD1
    7 - fix-n-fly
    8 - foodstick
    9 - UPF-7
    10 - jeffie8696
    11 - skyrat71
    12 - Leroy Gardner
    13 - CanDo
    14 - JPMacG
    15 - Thunder Chicken
    16 - 5skyhawk172
    17 - Cutlass 60
    18 - Mr-Punk
    19 - Sabreryder
    20 - eastkurt
    21 - FlyerInOKC
    22 - rtn9105
    23 - oliveDrab
    24 - triumphman49
    25 - ARUP
    26 - willig10
    27 - malitape
    28 - OLDFLYER2
    29 - justin80
    30 - Jim Branaum
    31 - crawler tech
    32 - yel914
    33 - ThunderBoat42
    34 - sbd-3
    35 - Thatsakitbuilt
    36 - blw
    37 - Mike Gretz
    38 - Mako17
    39 - Live Wire
    40 - deanz406
    41 - bchapman
    42 - SrTelemaster150
    43 - SushiHunter
    44 - n8rloves2fly
    45 - M_Callahan
    46 - carlosponti
    47 - xxwolfyxx
    48 - landeck
    49 - cherokeenut
    50 - Mark Thomas
    51 - rphiii
    52 - n0kjf
    53 - cymaz
    54 - OldRookie
    55 - gosch
    56 - ThunderChicken72
    57 - lfd47
    58 - bikerbc
    59 - badger5964
    60 - N1EDM
    61 - Hfrank



    62 - Lowvoltage
    63 - US185Damiani
    64 - hsukaria
    65 - lkruse
    66 - Sgt. Meyer
    67 - G-JIMG
    68 - Hydro Junkie
    69 - Twin_Flyer
    70 - oldsterling
    71 - J T Caldwell
    72 - cloudancer03
    73 - Super08
    74 - Hab
    75 - Smashmaster
    76 - Rv7garage
    77 - Neddy191
    78 - JZHANDYMAN
    79 - Pete Lane
    80 - SIGPlanes
    81 - rcmichael
    82 - larryshobbies
    83 - skyraider71
    84 - Hawk570
    85 - hogflyer
    86 - cubcrasher
    87 - chandler_ace
    88 - Firewalkerd1
    89 - Robin A
    90 - GLGofLB
    91 - On the Deck
    92 - aircraftbuilder67
    93 - FJRrider
    94 - sdcranford
    95 - AMA 74894
    96 - W7APD Alan
    97 - bobsrc
    98 - kiwi4
    99 - Flight Risk
    100 - G.Barber
    101 - I_Fly
    102 - scaleforlife
    103 - balsatermite
    104 - 3136
    105 - rc56
    106 - R/C Addiction
    107 - Fly North
    108 - JFS737
    109 - skylark-flier
    110 - rdgettler
    111 - allamericanflyer
    112 - MartyPetriSr
    113 - tribalturtle2
    114 - Soboflyer
    115 - jollyroger
    116 - Captcrunch44
    117 - 19wingwalker48
    118 - tzlaser44
    119 - larscato
    120 - TomCrump
    121 - guido
    122 - RMeadows


    123 - Old_RC_Guy
    124 - TheComputerGeek
    125 - hook57
    126 - newbiedc
    127 - PipeMajor
    128 - RDJeff
    129 - ABORH
    130 - danpos
    131 - mscic-RCU
    132 - PSB
    133 - aggieman
    134 - Renegade
    135 - bodybuildr
    136 - SigSenior
    138 - mike 71
    137 -
    139 - merto31
    140 - thobin
    141 - numb3rulz
    142 - Gary in Fla
    143 - VincentJ
    144 - RICKSTUBBZ
    145 - EJWash1
    146 - BigTeeEldorado
    147 - Aquila1954
    148 - jwharkinz
    149 - TCraft Lover
    150 - Pork Chop
    151 - drube
    152 - trainermaster80
    153 - samklem
    154 - tkametz
    155 - Vinnie6
    156 - budof561
    157 - RKRick
    158 - leojzamboni
    159 - sgtmonte
    160 - smallrc
    161 - daywalker
    162 - angel asenjo
    163 - Jeff Spicoli
    164 - themutsnutz
    165 - mvarzoni
    166 - Big Stikflyer
    167 - gutmark
    168 - knuckleball
    169 - capt. crunch jr.
    170 - flygilmore
    171 - Yasbush
    172 - cardinalflyer
    173 - bbrowncods
    174 - pmoen70
    175 - GSXR1000
    176 - Comper
    177 - stinsonsr9
    178 - scale buff
    179 - F4 Phantom blue angles
    180 - OKC_Jim
    181 - bigtj10


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It looks good in three columns.
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Yeah, always has. Now, I've got to figure out how to get it back into 3 columns myself.


BTW, #137 being blank is due to an ex-member being banned for extremely bad habits and huge trolling. I, personally, invited him out.

(bad list - deleted)((learning))(((I think)))

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Old 04-24-2017, 07:49 AM
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I wonder if the list could be offsite and referenced in the first post. Maybe linked to your SIG site?
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Hokay! Let's try that again. Guys, I'm testing / learning here. Bear with me a bit.

Hi acdii!! If I have to do that I might, but only as a last LAST resort. How 'ya doin'?



    1 - Hazel & Glenn Sigafoose
    2 - Maxey Hester & the team
    3 - acdii
    4 - RCKen
    5 - DGUY
    6 - DBD1
    7 - fix-n-fly
    8 - foodstick
    9 - UPF-7
    10 - jeffie8696
    11 - skyrat71
    12 - Leroy Gardner
    13 - CanDo
    14 - JPMacG
    15 - Thunder Chicken
    16 - 5skyhawk172
    17 - Cutlass 60
    18 - Mr-Punk
    19 - Sabreryder
    20 - eastkurt
    21 - FlyerInOKC
    22 - rtn9105
    23 - oliveDrab
    24 - triumphman49
    25 - ARUP
    26 - willig10
    27 - malitape
    28 - OLDFLYER2
    29 - justin80
    30 - Jim Branaum
    31 - crawler tech
    32 - yel914
    33 - ThunderBoat42
    34 - sbd-3
    35 - Thatsakitbuilt
    36 - blw
    37 - Mike Gretz
    38 - Mako17
    39 - Live Wire
    40 - deanz406
    41 - bchapman
    42 - SrTelemaster150
    43 - SushiHunter
    44 - n8rloves2fly
    45 - M_Callahan
    46 - carlosponti
    47 - xxwolfyxx
    48 - landeck
    49 - cherokeenut
    50 - Mark Thomas
    51 - rphiii
    52 - n0kjf
    53 - cymaz
    54 - OldRookie
    55 - gosch
    56 - ThunderChicken72
    57 - lfd47
    58 - bikerbc
    59 - badger5964
    60 - N1EDM



    61 - Hfrank
    62 - Lowvoltage
    63 - US185Damiani
    64 - hsukaria
    65 - lkruse
    66 - Sgt. Meyer
    67 - G-JIMG
    68 - Hydro Junkie
    69 - Twin_Flyer
    70 - oldsterling
    71 - J T Caldwell
    72 - cloudancer03
    73 - Super08
    74 - Hab
    75 - Smashmaster
    76 - Rv7garage
    77 - Neddy191
    78 - JZHANDYMAN
    79 - Pete Lane
    80 - SIGPlanes
    81 - rcmichael
    82 - larryshobbies
    83 - skyraider71
    84 - Hawk570
    85 - hogflyer
    86 - cubcrasher
    87 - chandler_ace
    88 - Firewalkerd1
    89 - Robin A
    90 - GLGofLB
    91 - On the Deck
    92 - aircraftbuilder67
    93 - FJRrider
    94 - sdcranford
    95 - AMA 74894
    96 - W7APD Alan
    97 - bobsrc
    98 - kiwi4
    99 - Flight Risk
    100 - G.Barber
    101 - I_Fly
    102 - scaleforlife
    103 - balsatermite
    104 - 3136
    105 - rc56
    106 - R/C Addiction
    107 - Fly North
    108 - JFS737
    109 - skylark-flier
    110 - rdgettler
    111 - allamericanflyer
    112 - MartyPetriSr
    113 - tribalturtle2
    114 - Soboflyer
    115 - jollyroger
    116 - Captcrunch44
    117 - 19wingwalker48
    118 - tzlaser44
    119 - larscato
    120 - TomCrump


    121 - guido
    122 - RMeadows
    123 - Old_RC_Guy
    124 - TheComputerGeek
    125 - hook57
    126 - newbiedc
    127 - PipeMajor
    128 - RDJeff
    129 - ABORH
    130 - danpos
    131 - mscic-RCU
    132 - PSB
    133 - aggieman
    134 - Renegade
    135 - bodybuildr
    136 - SigSenior
    138 - mike 71
    139 - merto31
    140 - thobin
    141 - numb3rulz
    142 - Gary in Fla
    143 - VincentJ
    144 - RICKSTUBBZ
    145 - EJWash1
    146 - BigTeeEldorado
    147 - Aquila1954
    148 - jwharkinz
    149 - TCraft Lover
    150 - Pork Chop
    151 - drube
    152 - trainermaster80
    153 - samklem
    154 - tkametz
    155 - Vinnie6
    156 - budof561
    157 - RKRick
    158 - leojzamboni
    159 - sgtmonte
    160 - smallrc
    161 - daywalker
    162 - angel asenjo
    163 - Jeff Spicoli
    164 - themutsnutz
    165 - mvarzoni
    166 - Big Stikflyer
    167 - gutmark
    168 - knuckleball
    169 - capt. crunch jr.
    170 - flygilmore
    171 - Yasbush
    172 - cardinalflyer
    173 - bbrowncods
    174 - pmoen70
    175 - GSXR1000
    176 - Comper
    177 - stinsonsr9
    178 - scale buff
    179 - F4 Phantom blue angles
    180 - OKC_Jim
    181 - bigtj10




Well, I've got it to 3 columns. Now to figure out the rest of it.

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Old 04-24-2017, 08:18 AM
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Doing good, busy as a one armed paper hanger redoing the Sistine chapel.
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Control Line Fun Fly June 17, 2017 Montezuma, IowaLet’s get together and have a fun fly and picnic at Hazel Sig’s airport just south of Montezuma. Run what you brung, show us what you got, and amaze the crowd. NoOfficial events planned but if enough old time combat models show up we could play. Three mown grass circles, space for a couple more circles for hand launched models.Fly until you drop then cook up some lunch and fly some more. We will have grills available and any side dishes you can bring to share would be great. AMA required toFly. If you want to save on shipping costs on Sig products, send or call in your order before June 15 and we will have it delivered at the field. For more information contactmhtml:file:///C:/Users/User/Desktop/[email protected] or call 641-623-5154 and ask for Bob.


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And the regular fly in?
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The RC Fly In is on schedule. June 9 - 11. I'm waiting for the graphics department to get me something to post.
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Cool, hoping to have my Rascal done before then and flown.
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Now that you warned Bob maybe he can get the graphic dept to add a warning about a loose nut holding the sticks of a Rascal 168? ;-)
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Yep, we all need to watch out for Captn Crunch!
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Just got the dj 85 today so look out. Lol
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rut roh!
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He has been making burnt offerings to the ground trolls so hopefully they won't harass him too much this year. But you never know with the Captain.
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Well I hope he doesn't offer up the Rascal next!

Hey Bob what can you tell me about the SIG Dornier DO 217? I see you own one and was wondering how the build went? I'm getting Pat Tittle's DH-89 Dragon Rapide from Dumas and I was thinking the DO 217 might be a nice companion to it in the hanger.

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I designed it so I've built many before it was committed to productions. It is not a kit for beginning builders but is not difficult if you have built some scale airplanes. With a combined wattage of 150 watts it flies like a pattern airplane. Two motors and props act like a larger single motor and prop. 8.5" props is the largest that will clear the fuselage and the motors in the manual are no longer available. They were a 22 mm diameter, 1800 kv motor and turned 7-6 props on 3 cells. If you wanted to go glow a pair of .07s to .10s would do the job.
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Originally Posted by bobsrc
I designed it so I've built many before it was committed to productions. It is not a kit for beginning builders but is not difficult if you have built some scale airplanes. With a combined wattage of 150 watts it flies like a pattern airplane. Two motors and props act like a larger single motor and prop. 8.5" props is the largest that will clear the fuselage and the motors in the manual are no longer available. They were a 22 mm diameter, 1800 kv motor and turned 7-6 props on 3 cells. If you wanted to go glow a pair of .07s to .10s would do the job.
Pat's DH-89 has the be electric unless you want to redesign it so I was going to use a pair of outrunners and ESCs on it with a 2 cell LiPo. I do have at least one OS Max .10 engine would the air frame have to be beefed to go glow or is the only modification required in the firewall & fuel tank areas?
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I was just looking at SIG's website and I see the Product code MXACC320 - PROMAX GEAR MOTOR SET SIGRC99 370 MOTOR 3.7/1 GEARBOX 7 X 6 PROP [2 REQ FOR RC99] is this what SIG is recommend using? Would a pair of small 2 cell LiPos worked mounted in the nacelle behind the motor assembly and mount?


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