Hi I need to have a Great Planes 40 size Patriot new in the box that I would like to have built and have the onboard radio installed. I have the Hobbico mechanical retracts and retract servo I have just about everything to build the plane including an OS 50SX and Macs pre tuned header and muffled tuned pipe. I would like to have to have the plane covered as its shown on the box and in the planes the Thunderbirds the color scheme. So I need to have someone with excellent covering skills.

I also have a Kyosho T-33 foam Electric Ducted fan thats built but I need to have it covered with Chrome Ultracote Plus the sticky backed Ultracote that needs no heat to apply however if go over the film with a very low heat setting with a covering iron it will stretch. The T-33 is all styrofoam so you need to apply the covering in sheets and use very low heat to seal and make sure its tacked down but you can melt the plane. The T-33 is allready built I just need to finish installing the fan, motor and radio.

I am willing to pay well for top quality work If your interested please email or PM me and I can give you the rest of the info on the planes. I just dont have the room or time to build the Patriot and I dont have the covering skill to cover these planes[]
Thanks Much Viper

Moderator, I did not know where to put this post so if needs to be moved I understand.

That to my mind is so sad. If you put an hour a night on the plane it will be done in a couple of months. Covering is not insurmountable if you have someone to show you how. Building for me is half the joy to the hobby. I wish you would reconsider, if not there are a lot of good builders out there.

John

PS I built my first models on a card table covered with a 3/8 pane of glass from an old B/W TV set. You don't need much room.

NORTON, don't even try....you are trying to build a bridge over two DIFFERENT GENERATIONS. You and I ( a.k.a. olde pharts) built for ourselves.
Now they buy and do 3D

and never the twain shall meet

sorry to say

[quote]ORIGINAL: JNorton

That to my mind is so sad. If you put an hour a night on the plane it will be done in a couple of months. Covering is not insurmountable if you have someone to show you how. Building for me is half the joy to the hobby. I wish you would reconsider, if not there are a lot of good builders out there.

John


John, I have been building my own planes and flying for 18+ years and I have built many kits and from plans. I am waiting for an RA5 Vigilante that is a twin 90mm electric ducted fan that is 85 inches long and a 65 wingspan. I am going to be building some seriously complicated and fast electric ducted fan I have two waiting to be fiberglassed and painted yes thats right glassed and painted with real West Systems Epoxy and 3/4 cloth and painted with my De Villbiss detail gun and airbrush with automotive paint and others. I never could cover well so I learned to fiberglass and paint. I enjoy doing it and I am allot better using that finishing method than anytype of film covering. I have not been able to build for the last two years due to health and I am really behind in planes because of it. I dont have the skill to cover my foam Kyosho T-33 with the Ultracote plus and I really would like to fly those planes while I build 2 glow ducted fans and at least 5 90mm brushless and lipo powered. So I can build I just want to get two planes done so I could fly them while I built some very complicated scale aircraft
Joe

I I have never flown a 3D plane in my life.

Viper21,
Glad you can glass, I find monokote much easier. The President of our club showed me how. I've got to bug him into showing me a glass job.

I haven't the reflexes to fly ducted Fans either! You must admit your first post sounded like you'd never tried to build. Ya know what they say about first impressions!

John

Easy fellows. If everyone knew how to build and cover there would be three more guys in the unemployment line, including me. Two friends and myself build and cover models for a living.
The fact is in this society we go fast, stay busy, and run all day long, weekends not excluded. And as we all know the Feds like our wives taxes too. We all know that most households have two working people because it is hard to by on one income, which is why most couples work, leaving less time for fun things like building models. The only good part about two incomes for married couples is there is some extra money for guys like Viper to have his stuff built for him(if not married, the model building time is spent looking to get married).
By having someone build for you is not a crime to the hobby, it is a win-win in my book. This allows the guy having the plane built to have a nice kit built model that is covered the way he wants it for Sunday at the field. And the builder gains monetary value to put back into his hobby/planes. If I didn't built for customers I wouldn't be in this hobby. You see I used to be one of those parents that worked full-time (and then some) to support my family as my wife did. Now I stay at home, take care of the kids (3), the house, and build airplanes. I never think that if someone wants something built it is because they do not know how or don't want to. I think that they do not have the time, but enjoy flying with their buddies on Sunday. I don't know about you but I would rather be at the field on Sunday than in the workshop, especially with all those thundering little feet pounding the floor over my head in my basement workshop.

So if you are one of those guys/gals that have your planes built, covered, or repaired by someone other than yourself do not fell bad or let anyone tell you it is bad. There are plenty of guys like myself that do benefit from your work. So please support your local builder, we need planes too.

You know what they say about assuming...

Hi John, I apologize if I came accross like a jerk I didnt mean too. You obviously have the skill to cover with Monokote or Ultracote. I can barely do a two color scheme on a plane with Ultracote and it doesnt look real great. However I have fiberglassing and painting to a science for me at least. I just dont have the covering skills to make the Patriots 3 color scheme look anywhere like an airplane. And the T-33 is real tough at least hard for me to apply the Ultracote Plus in Chrome on a foam jet using very little or no heat its got to go on in panels and smoothed around cornerd with little or no wrinkles and you heat on the wing it will melt(Dont ask how I know) And the stabs stay white with the red decals and stars that are applied after the covering also I need to have the rest of the kit decals. I attached pictures of how the plane should look after covering and what it looks before but the stabs are not glued in so it can be shipped.
Thanks Much
Joe

Should I post this subject some place else in a different forum because so far I havnt received anybody that wants to to build my Patriot and cover my T-33 with Chrome Ultracote Plus?
Thanks Viper

Viper,
Yah, you'd of thought someone would have stepped up to the plate and said I'll build these, especially in Orange County! You didn't sound like a jerk. As Ptgarcia said you know what they say about assuming.

Peace,
John

you could try the kit building forum: [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Kit_Building/forumid_121/tt.htm]Kit Building[/link]

PC, I took your advice and posted my add in the Kit Building Forum and this morning one of the moderators emailed me and told me he pulled my add from the Forum because of this post in this Forum[]
And not that it really matters I counted back and this year makes 20 years that I learned to fly at Anaheim Stadium thats right where the Angels play. We flew in the parking lot and I learned to fly and dodge lightpoles with a Great Planes PT 40 that I built and covered myself and it was really sad looking. But it flew and the man that instructed me and taught me to fly (without a buddy box) and I fly with my good friend to this day. The PT 40 lasted to my first solo landing and takeoff and then it was sacrificed to a chain link fence on approach[][] It died a good death and served its purpose. So I picked up a Right Flyer with a semisymetrical wing ARF and put my trusty 4 channel and OS 40 in it and flew it for about 3 months and then I progressed few years later and I was teaching people to fly (with a buddy cord) and so far I have built over 35 planes for my buddies and myself

Anyway can anybody help me out with the T-33 and my Patriot which is NIB I want the Patriot turn key with the radio and engine and tuned pipe and retracts installed if your interested please email me and I will send the specifics as I have said before I am willing to pay a fair price I know its hard to make money by building

Thanks Joe

I am from that other generation (28) and I really like to build. Im not that good at it yet, but I like it. I especially like to monokote (I am a glutton for punishment). I do like 3D, but I do like pattern, and Sunday flying as well. I just like to fly something I built. I have only bought 1 ARF which was my trainer and I have sense stripped it down and made major changes to it, I have as much time invested in the updating the trainer as I would a build. The trainer flew fine, but I just wanted to build.

So there are some of us younger guys who like to build and enjoy a finished product.

Have you tried doing a search in the different forums for earliers threads on this topic? I know there have been some but I don't know if anyone was willing to do the requested building. I do remember that there was some builders who were mentioned who were less than reputable in their dealings. If nothing else, you might find those with whom you should not do business.

Good luck,