RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

I woke up this morning.

Everything else won't bother me.

RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

Our current Prez says we didn't build anything by ourselves.
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RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

:D:D:D:D

Well played!

:):):)

RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

I say to some Top Gun winner with an highly detailed model. "You didn't make that!"

RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

You guys are going about this all wrong, still debating the same thing again. What the OP has a problem with is Internet sales and marketing. He has to understand how the Internet works, it works with "key words" the more you have that are in the "general" catagory of your item the more<div>People that will have exposure to you item and the more likely you will sell the item. So to the OP's rant you will have to get better at searching or get used to weed through all the crap that you don't want.</div>

RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

Err... I thought this was understood from the beginning. I think we all understand the use of key words and the advantage of getting them right for the marketing of an item. It's why many used Evolution engines I see on E-Bay are listed as "Used Evolution... Not OS, Not new. Not NIB Engine" A search for "NIB OS Engine", pulls up a free look at a used Evolution. After all, why would the seller be listing what it is NOT?

I think what you've misunderstood is that using words that don't apply is really irritating. Hence the thread starter's rant. You are correct in that this thread did get a little hijacked when some seemed to suggest that is was difficult to distinguish between an ARF and Kit and thereby making it OK to list a Tower Trainer .60 ARF as a "kit". That's were I came in.

RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

I think patience is the key here. Key word wise using ebay I got about 2/3rds balsa kits and 1/3rd arf kits in the list. So if ebay and ebay listers(And quite a few ebay listers by out estates and dont know what the damn thing is they just want the $) So if your getting sick of it quit.:D

RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

In the OPs defense, when a seller lists an item he/she must put it in a "category". One category that falls under radio control airplanes is for "almost ready" while another category is for "unassembled kit". It used to be if you search just using the categories regular old kits are the majority of items in "unassembled kit". Now that ebay is being flooded with Chinese people selling directly from businesses or apartments in China the number of ARFs that show up in the "unassembled kit" category has skyrocketed making the category almost useless. Whether it's a language thing or a marketing strategy to just flood ebay with items in every category that remotely resembles the product I don't know, but it is annoying. I don't do much surfing on ebay since I've started scratch building most planes, but I have noticed it.

RE: Getting Sick of this!
 

I don't mean to get into the ARF vs Kit debate but I am pretty comfortable determining the difference.  If I open the box and covering isn't anywhere in the box much less on any portion of the airframe, that's the first sign that it's a kit.  The second sign is if I open the box and there is nothing in it that that looks like an airplane or any substantial part there of.  That pretty much does it for me. 

One last point, in my opinion, one builds kits and assembles ARFs.  And just to be clear, I have no problem with either.  The point of this hobby is to have fun and how you get there is unimportant to me.

I hope you are all having fun!