Getting Sick of this!
08-07-2012 | 04:21 AM
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Getting Sick of this!
First let me say that this is my first and LAST rant! I love to build from kits, yes I have put an ARF together a few times. But mt heart is in kits. Ebay is about the best place to get kits. My favorite thing USE to be going to the UN-ASSEMBELED kit section and looking for a box of sticks to turn into a plane. Now that sections is full of ARF KITS (Sick of that term)!!!! Not knocking people who fly ARF's I am not any better then them I have a few ARF's and I like them very much. I understand the need BUT THEY ARE NOT KITS!!!! I just want a place to go and find a box of sticks and sheets to glue together...
08-07-2012 | 04:34 AM
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What about building scratch. I do that alot and even a better feeling than building a kit. I have two scratch builds on the table now. Ultra hots and cobra.
08-07-2012 | 06:03 AM
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The point of this post is, PLEASE DON'T LIST ARF'S IN THE KIT SECTIONS! Not trying to sort out the “who is better in this the hobbyâ€. I really don't care what folks want to build or fly just don't sell them in the wrong place.
08-07-2012 | 06:06 AM
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"PLEASE DON'T LIST ARF'S IN THE KIT SECTIONS! "
You first need to define the term KIT. Real, full size, aircraft come in KITS, that look just exactly like an ARF; but they are still KITS.
Les
You first need to define the term KIT. Real, full size, aircraft come in KITS, that look just exactly like an ARF; but they are still KITS.
Les
08-07-2012 | 06:36 AM
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Yea, me too. For grins I looked up "kit" in my dictionary. My favorite is "a wooden tub" - those Brits 
. The most used is probably "<span class="ssens">a set of parts to be assembled or worked up <span class="vi"><a model-airplane kit>". So what the heck is a wing half or a hinged fin / rudder? An assembly? Whoa - wow, that was a rush.
Folks that sell in ebay must have all read "ebay for idiots" where it says the more keywords that you include the more hits you add will get whether or not the keywords are accurate because the potential buyers are idiots too. Most online forum users are pretty savvy and respectful about our hobby and the terms used. So it really pisses us off when greedy "storage wars" drop outs try to sell an item that they are clueless about. Geez, if you go to my local Hobby Town and ask them an "airplane" question they get a glaze over the face and point in a general direction (usually somewhere near the men's room).
Thanks for the opportunity to rant too ...
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. The most used is probably "<span class="ssens">a set of parts to be assembled or worked up <span class="vi"><a model-airplane kit>". So what the heck is a wing half or a hinged fin / rudder? An assembly? Whoa - wow, that was a rush.Folks that sell in ebay must have all read "ebay for idiots" where it says the more keywords that you include the more hits you add will get whether or not the keywords are accurate because the potential buyers are idiots too. Most online forum users are pretty savvy and respectful about our hobby and the terms used. So it really pisses us off when greedy "storage wars" drop outs try to sell an item that they are clueless about. Geez, if you go to my local Hobby Town and ask them an "airplane" question they get a glaze over the face and point in a general direction (usually somewhere near the men's room).
Thanks for the opportunity to rant too ...
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08-07-2012 | 07:06 AM
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RE: Getting Sick of this!
ORIGINAL: LesUyeda
''PLEASE DON'T LIST ARF'S IN THE KIT SECTIONS! ''
You first need to define the term KIT. Real, full size, aircraft come in KITS, that look just exactly like an ARF; but they are still KITS.
Les
''PLEASE DON'T LIST ARF'S IN THE KIT SECTIONS! ''
You first need to define the term KIT. Real, full size, aircraft come in KITS, that look just exactly like an ARF; but they are still KITS.
Les
08-07-2012 | 08:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: AmishWarlord
You need to do better searches.
Try this
sig,kit,-arf,-almost
You need to do better searches.
Try this
sig,kit,-arf,-almost
It's the only way around it though. It is just as annoying as helicopters in the airplane section. (No disrespect to the heli guys)
Tom
08-07-2012 | 09:10 AM
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When I did a review on an ARF I had to give this a lot of thought. I finally came to the conclusion that ARFs are kits. It's like IKEA items, if you have to assemble it then it is a kit. I didn't like it but it's true. To me, a kit is a box of sticks and sheeting that you have to cut and fit to finish up with a plane, but there is no definition of how hard a kit must be or how many pieces in one. I don't like it but I got over it.
I still get a giant pissmeoff when I see anyone that calls assembling an ARF building. They have built nothing, they are gluing assembled parts together, not building anything! I come completely un-hinged when I see a reviewer in a magazine use the term building. These people are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference but I see too many of them with brain damage and using the term building there review ARF. Maybe they are trying to give there readers a little ego boost thinking they are building something? Maybe the reviewer needs that ego boost themselves??
OK, the term Kit or ARF Kit I will go with and give these ARF nimrods that but ARFers, Never Never use the term building, you aren't and most of you can't.
There, that was my rant.
I still get a giant pissmeoff when I see anyone that calls assembling an ARF building. They have built nothing, they are gluing assembled parts together, not building anything! I come completely un-hinged when I see a reviewer in a magazine use the term building. These people are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference but I see too many of them with brain damage and using the term building there review ARF. Maybe they are trying to give there readers a little ego boost thinking they are building something? Maybe the reviewer needs that ego boost themselves??
OK, the term Kit or ARF Kit I will go with and give these ARF nimrods that but ARFers, Never Never use the term building, you aren't and most of you can't.
There, that was my rant.
08-07-2012 | 10:07 AM
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My oversimpliefied view of the RC activities. Guess that the contents of the box can contain: plans (scratch); plans, manual &some parts (short kit); plans, manual &all of the parts (kit); manual &covered assemblies (ARF); manual, covered assemblies, drive train &electronics (RTF).
08-07-2012 | 11:34 AM
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ORIGINAL: tailskid
Kits should be noted as BYO (build your own) or something along those lines...ARF's should be listed as 'assembly required'. That ought to confuse us even more
Kits should be noted as BYO (build your own) or something along those lines...ARF's should be listed as 'assembly required'. That ought to confuse us even more
08-07-2012 | 12:22 PM
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ARF- Almost Ready to Fly - something that takes less than a week to put together. Actually the fastest kit I haveput together was an Uproar in about 2 weeks.
But the "kit" designation is actually perpetuated by the Chinese foamies. To them an ARF has a motor and a kit does not. [:'(]</p>
I like the "-arf" in the search and did not know ebay would take that.
Oh, and the other overused and abused term on ebay is "RARE", meaning I rarely sell this. And listing plans as RC aircraft is ridiculous - ebay should add another category.
BTW, I also select Auction Only to get away from all the "basement hobby shops", drop shippers and black market dealers.
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08-07-2012 | 12:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: rgburrill
ARF- Almost Ready to Fly - something that takes less than a week to put together. Actually the fastest kit I have put together was an Uproar in about 2 weeks.
But the ''kit'' designation is actually perpetuated by the Chinese foamies. To them an ARF has a motor and a kit does not. [:'(]</p>
I like the ''-arf'' in the search and did not know ebay would take that.
Oh, and the other overused and abused term on ebay is ''RARE'', meaning I rarely sell this. And listing plans as RC aircraft is ridiculous - ebay should add another category.</p>
ARF- Almost Ready to Fly - something that takes less than a week to put together. Actually the fastest kit I have put together was an Uproar in about 2 weeks.
But the ''kit'' designation is actually perpetuated by the Chinese foamies. To them an ARF has a motor and a kit does not. [:'(]</p>
I like the ''-arf'' in the search and did not know ebay would take that.
Oh, and the other overused and abused term on ebay is ''RARE'', meaning I rarely sell this. And listing plans as RC aircraft is ridiculous - ebay should add another category.</p>
By the way, unassembled kits seems to be pretty close to what you are looking for...but stuff slips in there all the time. Plus, if you were listing and ARF to sell and you new that many people search using the word "kit" then you would put in your description "ARF kit"...so some of it is the sellers using words and phrases to maximize the hits they get on the items they have for sale.
Oh well, have fun with it!
Tom
08-07-2012 | 12:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: iflyg450
As an A&P IA and builder of homebuilts, I would say that depends on the plane you wish to build? If your talking an composite plane such as a Legacy or Velocity then yes it resemble an ARF but they sitll take years to finish, but a metal aircraft still looks like a kit even at the extremes of the 51% builder rule. But I’m not talking abut a full size planes. ALL IM SAYING IS IF THE PLANE YOU ARE SELLING COMES PARTLY ASSEMBLED AND COVERED OR IS ALREADY PAINTED, THEN DON'T LIST IT WITH A TRADITIONAL KIT! BY TRADITIONAL I MEAN DIE CUT LASER CUT OR PRINTED SHEETS. I DON'T WANT TO SORT THROUGH FOAMIES ECT WHILE TRYING TO FIND THAT SPECIAL KIT THAT I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE BUILD...
ORIGINAL: LesUyeda
''PLEASE DON'T LIST ARF'S IN THE KIT SECTIONS! ''
You first need to define the term KIT. Real, full size, aircraft come in KITS, that look just exactly like an ARF; but they are still KITS.
Les
''PLEASE DON'T LIST ARF'S IN THE KIT SECTIONS! ''
You first need to define the term KIT. Real, full size, aircraft come in KITS, that look just exactly like an ARF; but they are still KITS.
Les
See there is your problem, when you say: I MEAN DIE CUT LASER CUT OR PRINTED SHEETS. That is your definition of a kit, and being a free countly, fine with me.
That does not mean the rest of us will adopt your understanding of a kit. And I am not saying You are wrong or right. Just that it will never happen.
Refine better you search, is all I can think of. I noticed the same problem, then I was more specific about the brand of kit and model I was interested in. Of course this is limiting the results, but it also eliminated the garbage I am 100% not looking for.
Not a perfect world
Gerry
08-07-2012 | 12:39 PM
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RE: Getting Sick of this!
ORIGINAL: Gray Beard
When I did a review on an ARF I had to give this a lot of thought. I finally came to the conclusion that ARFs are kits. It's like IKEA items, if you have to assemble it then it is a kit. I didn't like it but it's true. To me, a kit is a box of sticks and sheeting that you have to cut and fit to finish up with a plane, but there is no definition of how hard a kit must be or how many pieces in one. I don't like it but I got over it.
I still get a giant pissmeoff when I see anyone that calls assembling an ARF building. They have built nothing, they are gluing assembled parts together, not building anything! I come completely un-hinged when I see a reviewer in a magazine use the term building. These people are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference but I see too many of them with brain damage and using the term building there review ARF. Maybe they are trying to give there readers a little ego boost thinking they are building something? Maybe the reviewer needs that ego boost themselves??
OK, the term Kit or ARF Kit I will go with and give these ARF nimrods that but ARFers, Never Never use the term building, you aren't and most of you can't.
There, that was my rant.
When I did a review on an ARF I had to give this a lot of thought. I finally came to the conclusion that ARFs are kits. It's like IKEA items, if you have to assemble it then it is a kit. I didn't like it but it's true. To me, a kit is a box of sticks and sheeting that you have to cut and fit to finish up with a plane, but there is no definition of how hard a kit must be or how many pieces in one. I don't like it but I got over it.
I still get a giant pissmeoff when I see anyone that calls assembling an ARF building. They have built nothing, they are gluing assembled parts together, not building anything! I come completely un-hinged when I see a reviewer in a magazine use the term building. These people are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference but I see too many of them with brain damage and using the term building there review ARF. Maybe they are trying to give there readers a little ego boost thinking they are building something? Maybe the reviewer needs that ego boost themselves??
OK, the term Kit or ARF Kit I will go with and give these ARF nimrods that but ARFers, Never Never use the term building, you aren't and most of you can't.
There, that was my rant.
I build models form little (or big) pieces of wood. Mostly form Balsa USA, I am one of their supporters.
But I also "build" arfs, and if you do not like it, or get a giant pissmeoff, here is my advice: It is a friggggggin hobby, enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the days you have left, as every day that goes by, we have one less...
I build, build, build and build ARFs. And sometimes I re-build ARF's. I am able to take an ARF, and re-kit it in seconds. I have a huge tree at the field that helps me do precisely that. I can prove this, I have the pictures...
Gerry
When I do not shave, by beard is also gray...:-)
08-07-2012 | 01:37 PM
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RE: Getting Sick of this!
I have built lots of kits and assembled a fair amount of ARFs. I was lucky to find a Lanier Laser 200 1/4 scale that I guess is an ARC and is really a challenge - foam wing to be sheeted, etc. What ever you want is OK; go fly!!
08-07-2012 | 02:16 PM
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RE: Getting Sick of this!
ORIGINAL: GerKonig
I build models form little (or big) pieces of wood. Mostly form Balsa USA, I am one of their supporters.
But I also ''build'' arfs, and if you do not like it, or get a giant pissmeoff, here is my advice: It is a friggggggin hobby, enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the days you have left, as every day that goes by, we have one less...
I build, build, build and build ARFs. And sometimes I re-build ARF's. I am able to take an ARF, and re-kit it in seconds. I have a huge tree at the field that helps me do precisely that. I can prove this, I have the pictures...
Gerry
When I do not shave, by beard is also gray...:-)
ORIGINAL: Gray Beard
When I did a review on an ARF I had to give this a lot of thought. I finally came to the conclusion that ARFs are kits. It's like IKEA items, if you have to assemble it then it is a kit. I didn't like it but it's true. To me, a kit is a box of sticks and sheeting that you have to cut and fit to finish up with a plane, but there is no definition of how hard a kit must be or how many pieces in one. I don't like it but I got over it.
I still get a giant pissmeoff when I see anyone that calls assembling an ARF building. They have built nothing, they are gluing assembled parts together, not building anything! I come completely un-hinged when I see a reviewer in a magazine use the term building. These people are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference but I see too many of them with brain damage and using the term building there review ARF. Maybe they are trying to give there readers a little ego boost thinking they are building something? Maybe the reviewer needs that ego boost themselves??
OK, the term Kit or ARF Kit I will go with and give these ARF nimrods that but ARFers, Never Never use the term building, you aren't and most of you can't.
There, that was my rant.
When I did a review on an ARF I had to give this a lot of thought. I finally came to the conclusion that ARFs are kits. It's like IKEA items, if you have to assemble it then it is a kit. I didn't like it but it's true. To me, a kit is a box of sticks and sheeting that you have to cut and fit to finish up with a plane, but there is no definition of how hard a kit must be or how many pieces in one. I don't like it but I got over it.
I still get a giant pissmeoff when I see anyone that calls assembling an ARF building. They have built nothing, they are gluing assembled parts together, not building anything! I come completely un-hinged when I see a reviewer in a magazine use the term building. These people are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference but I see too many of them with brain damage and using the term building there review ARF. Maybe they are trying to give there readers a little ego boost thinking they are building something? Maybe the reviewer needs that ego boost themselves??
OK, the term Kit or ARF Kit I will go with and give these ARF nimrods that but ARFers, Never Never use the term building, you aren't and most of you can't.
There, that was my rant.
I build models form little (or big) pieces of wood. Mostly form Balsa USA, I am one of their supporters.
But I also ''build'' arfs, and if you do not like it, or get a giant pissmeoff, here is my advice: It is a friggggggin hobby, enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the days you have left, as every day that goes by, we have one less...
I build, build, build and build ARFs. And sometimes I re-build ARF's. I am able to take an ARF, and re-kit it in seconds. I have a huge tree at the field that helps me do precisely that. I can prove this, I have the pictures...
Gerry
When I do not shave, by beard is also gray...:-)
