RE: I hate CA Glue
 

Pacer Hinge Glue works great as well!

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I am doing all of my building with Elmers carpenters glue.

Andrew

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

fritzdecat, Back in the days of Megow, Joe Ott, Comet, I used testors cement at 10 cents a tube, When I got into gas engines and control line I used Ambriod and did for many years. I started using CA glue several years ago but I noticed a few nasty symptoms, such as a runny nose, burning eyes sore throat etc. So I never use the stuff anymore. I use Titebond two for all my gluing except were I need epoxy. Titebond is clean, dries fast and last a long time, I buy mine at Home Depot in the large size. Allot cheaper than CA.As I remember reading in one of the model magazines it mentioned that ca glue is compossed of cyanide, so I think a continued use might possibly cause a build up of cyanide in your body. I am not a Doctor, Chemist, or an expert on this subject, Maybe a Doctor or Chemist could chime in on this subject. Logair

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

fritzdecat, Back in the days of Megow, Joe Ott, Comet, I used testors cement at 10 cents a tube, When I got into gas engines and control line I used Ambriod and did for many years. I started using CA glue several years ago but I noticed a few nasty symptoms, such as a runny nose, burning eyes sore throat etc. So I never use the stuff anymore. I use Titebond two for all my gluing except were I need epoxy. Titebond is clean, dries fast and last a long time, I buy mine at Home Depot in the large size. Allot cheaper than CA.As I remember reading in one of the model magazines it mentioned that ca glue is compossed of cyanide, so I think a continued use might possibly cause a build up of cyanide in your body. I am not a Doctor, Chemist, or an expert on this subject, Maybe a Doctor or Chemist could chime in on this subject. Logair

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

since i do some woodworking as a hobby as well titebond is a nice alternative plus i have it on hand.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

Thanks again I will be stocking up on the Titebond

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I have had some problems with the CA and did have to go to other things, that's why I have so many different types of glues on my bench. If used correctly then I have no problems with the CA anymore. When I have my face over the bench though it still gets to me. I buy my thin in the 8 oz bottle and it last for about 6 planes. I also use the titebond A lot. I just use what I think is the best for what ever it is I'm gluing.
Put your money down and use what you like, they all work well if done correctly.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I disagree a organic vapors mask (about $35.00 at Home Depot) works great; no help for the eyes though.

Francis

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I too, have developed an allergy to CA. Even after a short exposure, I will exhibit signs of asthma. I have used the "odorless" looking for relief, but I am not convinced the oderless is any help. To make my point, carbon monoxide is also odorless and it will kill you deader than a door nail.

Having said that, I will still use CA minimally, e.g., hinges or small repairs with ventilation, but the vast majority of my builds are done with "Titebond" and/or epoxy.

CA: Beware

DaveB

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I place a small fan blowing across my bench when I build, keeps the fumes out of my nose.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I agree with DaveB. CA has its place, but I much prefer aliphatic. I am building an Epsilon 120 [link=http://www.flickr.com/photos/hyper7/510578855/](click for pic)[/link] and the way the fuzz is designed (lasercut ply)
you almost HAVE to use CA. You build it like a puzzle and then saturate the joints. 2 days later and I still have a blocked nose etc. from CA fumes, and I only did half the fuzz! I did the rest with odorless CA, but I can only get the medium slow set kind here, then you might as well use aliphatic. This is the stuff I like to use: [link=http://www.alcolin.com/data_sheet.asp?id=3]Alcolin Pro woodglue[/link]

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I use medium CA to build with. It will weep into joints, just slower. It's far more easily controlled than the thin, so your build doesn't end up with all the stray CA on the wood. And best of all, it doesn't gas off like the thin. Thin CA will hurt anybody if you sit there in a cloud of it and inhale. It will clog me up like a toilet at a Braves game. Medium doesn't bother me at all. Wood glue has a place on every shelf, though. Laminating big spars is one good use.[&:] Also joining sheets of balsa.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

Hi ptulmer, you are right, the medium does seep in, it just takes longer. Pity it is so expensive, almost 3x as much as regular CA.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

Build smaller airplanes.;) I buy the 2oz bottles of GP ProCA. Same price no matter if it's thin, medium or thick.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

Primarily TitebondII for builds as much as I can use it.
CA for CA hinges and quick repairs.
Poly U glue for coroplast(SPAD) and those special cases.

CA is caustic stuff. Blech.

somegeek

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I have a small $5.00 desk fan that blows across my bench at low speed. It's easy to build with a light cross wind and the fumes have stopped bothering me because they never reach my face.

Yak

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

Don't use the white version of the carpenter's glues except for special occasions. I can't think of a single special occasion, but I'm sure someone else can.

Use the yellow aliphatic (sp?) resin glues. Why? Because they are fuel and water proof once dried. The older white glues were not.

I'm with you guys. I use the aliphatic resin glues too, but I do use CA for special occasions. Mostly for tacking an assembly together that is critical in alignment. I must admit that I do not recall using any of the odorless CA as yet. Might have, but don't remember it.

Epoxy is great for firewalls and wing hold down components. I fuel proof using polyurethane clear finishing products. It is lighter than a coat of epoxy, although it can stink pretty bad. I've been trying the water based "polyurethane" finishes for fuel proofing and fiberglassing. So far, so good.

Haven't use Gorilla Glue as yet, although I have some around here somewhere.

Keep some acetone and xylol (Coverite iron shoe cleaner) around. You can remove CA smudges from most plastic film covering with it in fine fashion.


Ed Cregger

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I admit I have yet to try the oderless CA however I can't see how it would avoid the problems of lung and eye damage. Different formula entirely?

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

It has been a while since I started this thread so I wanted to report back and let you what I have tried in the glue world
and found success with.


Odorless CA has been great. Yes it might cost a bit more but it is worth it.

Gorilla Glue suks skippy balls. Overpriced, messy whens it foams everywhere and ultimately weak

The Two part 6 and 30 minute Epoxy from Tower Hobbies is a great buy and works top notch

Titebond Three is great Strong Dries fast good price

Sigment is like Ambroid but a little stinkier

Ambroid is what it used to be and still works good. Glad it is still around


lastly LAbmetal is not really a glue but the shop should not be without it give it a try it is great

[link]http://www.neverseezproducts.com/labmetal.htm[/link]

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

Adding my voice to those who've been forced to quit CA. It causes my mucous tissue to produce a thin fluid that quickly drains into the lungs requiring a great deal of coughing to expunge. After either what was a ruptured air sack or a partially deflated lung that took a couple of months to recover from, I now only use CA for hinges and this outdoors with a breeze blowing.

The solution was to go back to alphatic resin. A local free flight guru outlined his method of using alphatic resin from a pot similar to epoxy and using what he calls double gluing. Using an art brush or flux brush kept in a jar of water, carry a little water to the glue to thin it 15% mixing well. Apply thin layer of glue to parts being joined, wait until dull and then apply second coating and fit parts together. Works the same for a fitted joint, the thinning allows a little better penetration.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I want to cast my vote for no CA too. I built my first model this Summer and thought I had a nasty head cold. Then after a while, I realized it was the CA. It was brutal!! And the deeper I got into the project, the quicker the CA would bother me.

I did use some medium foam-safe with no hint of trouble, but it just doesn't seem to soak-in as easily. My next model is going to get the yellow-Elmer's treatment. I hope it bonds quick enough to allow the build to work out.

For the record (and because I love looking at it!!:D), here is my first build!!

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I have also had problems with CA and am thinking of moving to something like Titebond, but I have a question.

There are many builds that have you put all parts in place first, then glue up everything once everything is aligned. With thin CA, this is simple... just a few drops at the joint and it gets sucked up into the joint and is very strong. With wood glue, how is this accomplished? It doesn't seem like I could get the glue thin enough to result in the same capillary action as the thin CA and get drawn into the joints.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I've built two kits (LT-40 and SSE) both with 99% Titebond II. Only used CA where it's wicking properties were required . Avoid using the stuff otherwise.

somegeek

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

The Titebond or other alphatic glue. It helps to pre-glue the joints.
Just rub a small amount of glue on each end of the joint, adding a bit more to any exposed end-grain.
When the glue feels "tacky" to the touch, add more glue to finish the connection.
This might involve a bit more planning to build the wing, but you have more time to check your work.

RE: I hate CA Glue
 

I used a lot of cotton swabs (q-tips) to create fillets and clear out excess glue from joints when building my kits with Titebond II. Makes a nice clean joint and no excess weight. Toothpicks are good to have on hand as well to pop bubbles that form.

somegeek