2005 MAAC Nats
08-07-2005 | 09:12 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me how Mark and Kenny continue to "state the facts", claim to know the minds of Canadian modellers, and have a crystal clear view of the future of aeromodelling....
At least Ken has now come out of the closet with his anti-competition stance.
Guys, one is not exclusive of the other. I for one have made some of the best acquaintances at competitions. I will not repeat the !"try it you might like it" statement Mark referrs to, most children learn that at an earlier stage of development....
Jeff, you often appear to be a voice of reason among the caucaphony ...
Mark ... a friendly word of advice if I may: you can express yourself in text quite well at times ... I think you would find a wider audience if you were to spend your time online refining progressive ideas instead of spawning controversy under the guise of "!informing the masses".
At least Ken has now come out of the closet with his anti-competition stance.
Guys, one is not exclusive of the other. I for one have made some of the best acquaintances at competitions. I will not repeat the !"try it you might like it" statement Mark referrs to, most children learn that at an earlier stage of development....
Jeff, you often appear to be a voice of reason among the caucaphony ...
Mark ... a friendly word of advice if I may: you can express yourself in text quite well at times ... I think you would find a wider audience if you were to spend your time online refining progressive ideas instead of spawning controversy under the guise of "!informing the masses".
08-08-2005 | 02:13 PM
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...ok, you lost me again Jim.
It was Keith that pointed out the facts related to his event and the future of aeromodelling is something that is up for discussion and it's ok to have an opinion.
Harway was only in here for one reason and you know that. He doesn't care what we think or say, only that we are "saying anything" because he has chosen to dislike me and has no interest in any civil discussion.
..............I had to look up "cacophony". Not spelled the same as you did, but it appears to be the meaning you were using?
cacophony
n 1: a loud harsh or strident noise [syn: blare, blaring, clamor, din] 2: loud confusing disagreeable sounds
See, I've learned something new. Thanks man for helping me on "informing the masses".
It was Keith that pointed out the facts related to his event and the future of aeromodelling is something that is up for discussion and it's ok to have an opinion.
Harway was only in here for one reason and you know that. He doesn't care what we think or say, only that we are "saying anything" because he has chosen to dislike me and has no interest in any civil discussion.
..............I had to look up "cacophony". Not spelled the same as you did, but it appears to be the meaning you were using?
cacophony
n 1: a loud harsh or strident noise [syn: blare, blaring, clamor, din] 2: loud confusing disagreeable sounds
See, I've learned something new. Thanks man for helping me on "informing the masses".
08-08-2005 | 04:06 PM
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...ok, you lost me again Jim.
...ok, you lost me again Jim.
Yeah, I was ranting in response to your statement that read like more manipulation. So much is lost in text.[
]Cacaphony/Caucaphony ... I've seen it spelled both ways, basically the antonym of euphony ( which could be an interesting play on words i.e. phonyms by rearranging syllable emphasis).[8D]
As for Ron.... I've had occasion to meet Ron on many occasions and count him among the few friends I've met in modelling that I know I can trust to be there when needed. His heart is in the right place, and you continue to tread on it by criticising events he invested heart and soul into as a volunteer.... what other reaction would you expect?
08-08-2005 | 06:10 PM
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Jim;
You know, I've never met Ron in person and won't challenge your assessment.
Too many folks took things to a personal level immediately. THere were a few who became obsessed with labelling me as "anti-eveything" right from the start because I disagreed with them on some hot-button issues and of course the event that you allude to. They never took the time to listen to anything once they deemed me a "threat"...............and still apparently do.
Most of them I would still have no problem sharing the sky with and would probably enjoy sharing a beer because they're wrong about most of their perceptions.
too bad really.
You know, I've never met Ron in person and won't challenge your assessment.
Too many folks took things to a personal level immediately. THere were a few who became obsessed with labelling me as "anti-eveything" right from the start because I disagreed with them on some hot-button issues and of course the event that you allude to. They never took the time to listen to anything once they deemed me a "threat"...............and still apparently do.
Most of them I would still have no problem sharing the sky with and would probably enjoy sharing a beer because they're wrong about most of their perceptions.
too bad really.
08-09-2005 | 07:44 AM
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Yes, it is too bad.
I'm not sure that they are wrong..... after all, Ron and the others were not only in attendance but worked hard as volunteers. You and Ken and a handful of others I didn't see at the event (or any others of signifigance) claim to have the "inside sccop"....
Despite the financial hits the event took by absorbing hardships like teams being abandoned in Montreal by Air Canada (a class move if you ask me), the event was, at least to my reckoning, a grand success. In fact, if you count exposure time on Discovery channel and several Networks (CTV, Global etc.), Magazine coverage, you might even say it was a financial success if you were to factor in the advertising benefits.
Should the same plan be executed again? Probably not. Should we learn from the mistakes? Yes. Were there unforseen circumstances? Yes. Should we host another? Unlike some claim to speak for modellers across Canada, I will only speak for myself knowing that I echo the sentiments of several hundred I've personally met at and since the event, and the countless more I've exchange email with ever since .... YES!
I'm not sure that they are wrong..... after all, Ron and the others were not only in attendance but worked hard as volunteers. You and Ken and a handful of others I didn't see at the event (or any others of signifigance) claim to have the "inside sccop"....
Despite the financial hits the event took by absorbing hardships like teams being abandoned in Montreal by Air Canada (a class move if you ask me), the event was, at least to my reckoning, a grand success. In fact, if you count exposure time on Discovery channel and several Networks (CTV, Global etc.), Magazine coverage, you might even say it was a financial success if you were to factor in the advertising benefits.
Should the same plan be executed again? Probably not. Should we learn from the mistakes? Yes. Were there unforseen circumstances? Yes. Should we host another? Unlike some claim to speak for modellers across Canada, I will only speak for myself knowing that I echo the sentiments of several hundred I've personally met at and since the event, and the countless more I've exchange email with ever since .... YES!
08-09-2005 | 08:40 AM
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Quite frankly Jim, I've grown tired of the "volunteer" cry. We're all volunteers, including the three plus years of being my zones ZD and I'm there to help out my zone whenever I can so we can loose the poor, hard done and trodden volunteer schtick. I gave up holidays and March break time with my family for 3 consecutive years to attend AGM's that were far from fun, not to mention all the behind the scene stuff and looking after my own zone's issues. I doubt Ron and others would like a side-by-side comparison of volunteer time spent during my tenure.
Agree that we got value for our money? Not a chance. Aside from the mag coverages that barly mentioned where the event took place, many regional events take place that get the same local TV and paper coverage. I've seen the discovery channel blurb and the message for that coverage was that aeromodellig was very expensive, difficult and time consuming. A single event loosing over $63,000.00, no matter how you slice it, is unacceptable to me.
....perhaps someone from the Tillsonburg Club would like to point the multitude of new members their club gained from that one event? Our regional, private/community sponsored event last year earned us 30+ new members and a brand new club! Perhaps you would like to compare?
Furthmore, the expectance by you and others that me/we/us should drop everything to attend an event that we have little interest in is unreasonable and borders on arrogance. Sorry, have fun, but I'm afraid I don't care ............. unless it involves large amounts of the memberships money.
Jim, it was no surprize that world scale lost all that money. It was obvious from the budget from the first day I read it, that we were setting up for potential big loss, but nobody wanted to listen.......................they cried, we are just "volunteers" and you are "anti-everything" and we don't like you because you dare to question us......... And now, it drives them nuts that I was right. That's the reality.
As for learning from it? The board never did get a promised report from the committee detailing what mistakes were made. They simply folded up their MAAC funded tents, cried summore that they were volunteers and walked away.
As for holding another World event? Keith already did and it was successful, both from a flyer standpoint and from a financial standpoint. Bravo! However, those same bunch don't want to accept that either because they were at odds with Keith as well and continue to take pokes at him and the Mag whenever they get a chance. That despite the fact that Keith turned the Mag into something respectable. They don't seem to care about making things better, they're more interested in settling old scores. IMO
Agree that we got value for our money? Not a chance. Aside from the mag coverages that barly mentioned where the event took place, many regional events take place that get the same local TV and paper coverage. I've seen the discovery channel blurb and the message for that coverage was that aeromodellig was very expensive, difficult and time consuming. A single event loosing over $63,000.00, no matter how you slice it, is unacceptable to me.
....perhaps someone from the Tillsonburg Club would like to point the multitude of new members their club gained from that one event? Our regional, private/community sponsored event last year earned us 30+ new members and a brand new club! Perhaps you would like to compare?
Furthmore, the expectance by you and others that me/we/us should drop everything to attend an event that we have little interest in is unreasonable and borders on arrogance. Sorry, have fun, but I'm afraid I don't care ............. unless it involves large amounts of the memberships money.
Jim, it was no surprize that world scale lost all that money. It was obvious from the budget from the first day I read it, that we were setting up for potential big loss, but nobody wanted to listen.......................they cried, we are just "volunteers" and you are "anti-everything" and we don't like you because you dare to question us......... And now, it drives them nuts that I was right. That's the reality.
As for learning from it? The board never did get a promised report from the committee detailing what mistakes were made. They simply folded up their MAAC funded tents, cried summore that they were volunteers and walked away.
As for holding another World event? Keith already did and it was successful, both from a flyer standpoint and from a financial standpoint. Bravo! However, those same bunch don't want to accept that either because they were at odds with Keith as well and continue to take pokes at him and the Mag whenever they get a chance. That despite the fact that Keith turned the Mag into something respectable. They don't seem to care about making things better, they're more interested in settling old scores. IMO
08-09-2005 | 01:08 PM
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We're each entitled to our own opinions, be that they agree or not.
You state many things as fact that I could dispute but, I am neither the expert in these matters (any more than you are), nor do I wish to dredge up this tired old discussion once again.
Once again, I will speak only for myself in saying that I acknowledge Keith's success and once again send kudos his way for a job well done.
Your take on the broadcast is interesting, I for one, thought it was made clear that the hobby is quite varied but that competition at this level can be quite expensive and require a great deal of skill and dedication.... One cannot control the media, and they (like others I could mention) do seem to need to put their spin own on things.
30 members from one event? Kudos to the organizers of you "regional, private/community sponsored event".
Marc ... here's your opportunity to turn your efforts from criticism to contribution; maybe you could let us in on your secrets for recruitment. I've attended many Community events, even focused events (e.g. Boy Scouts, Air Cadets etc.) that failed to produce those kinds of numbers....[X(]
You state many things as fact that I could dispute but, I am neither the expert in these matters (any more than you are), nor do I wish to dredge up this tired old discussion once again.
Once again, I will speak only for myself in saying that I acknowledge Keith's success and once again send kudos his way for a job well done.
Your take on the broadcast is interesting, I for one, thought it was made clear that the hobby is quite varied but that competition at this level can be quite expensive and require a great deal of skill and dedication.... One cannot control the media, and they (like others I could mention) do seem to need to put their spin own on things.
30 members from one event? Kudos to the organizers of you "regional, private/community sponsored event".
Marc ... here's your opportunity to turn your efforts from criticism to contribution; maybe you could let us in on your secrets for recruitment. I've attended many Community events, even focused events (e.g. Boy Scouts, Air Cadets etc.) that failed to produce those kinds of numbers....[X(]
08-09-2005 | 01:58 PM
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Agreed, the scale thing is over. I stand by what I've said/did. No apologies.
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In relation to the new/club/members;
The secret to those numbers is that they already existed.
It's a point I tried to get across a number of times. Some of the retailers I have spoken to tell me that there are certainly more than MAACs 10-12K members out there flying or they wouldn't be in business. One retailer suggested MAAC may represent as few as 1/4 of the flyers...........maybe less.
To be fair, most are not "new flyers", but past members, current back-field flyers scattered about that caught wind of the efforts of our Current ZD, Jeff Esslinger, a number of other zone members who were approached by the councel of the resort town of Gimli. The event went off well for the first time last year, brought together some of those "non-maac" flyers who then inquired about setting up a formal club.
It's great to work with kids and young folks to set the seeds and be good citizens, but there are ready made flyers/members scattered all over the place. The Gimli event, like most, is a fun event, showcasing every conceivable type of aircraft and reaches a wider potential audience. Much had to do with the efforts of the organizing members (no, I am not one) and the advertising partnership with the city to get the word out. It displayed/reminded a bunch of scattered flyers how much fun getting together with like-minded modellers could be and provided their motivation to enquire.
No secret, show them it's fun and that it isn't necessary to dedicate your life and all your liesure money to participate.
Heck, as a follow-up to my recent post on the 90yr old Tigermoth builder.........................I found at least 7-10 model flyers in the area of the two small towns I visited. Heck, those guys are even flying with the rudder on the evelvator stick (mode 1?) which is how they learned themselves.
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In relation to the new/club/members;
The secret to those numbers is that they already existed.
It's a point I tried to get across a number of times. Some of the retailers I have spoken to tell me that there are certainly more than MAACs 10-12K members out there flying or they wouldn't be in business. One retailer suggested MAAC may represent as few as 1/4 of the flyers...........maybe less.
To be fair, most are not "new flyers", but past members, current back-field flyers scattered about that caught wind of the efforts of our Current ZD, Jeff Esslinger, a number of other zone members who were approached by the councel of the resort town of Gimli. The event went off well for the first time last year, brought together some of those "non-maac" flyers who then inquired about setting up a formal club.
It's great to work with kids and young folks to set the seeds and be good citizens, but there are ready made flyers/members scattered all over the place. The Gimli event, like most, is a fun event, showcasing every conceivable type of aircraft and reaches a wider potential audience. Much had to do with the efforts of the organizing members (no, I am not one) and the advertising partnership with the city to get the word out. It displayed/reminded a bunch of scattered flyers how much fun getting together with like-minded modellers could be and provided their motivation to enquire.
No secret, show them it's fun and that it isn't necessary to dedicate your life and all your liesure money to participate.
Heck, as a follow-up to my recent post on the 90yr old Tigermoth builder.........................I found at least 7-10 model flyers in the area of the two small towns I visited. Heck, those guys are even flying with the rudder on the evelvator stick (mode 1?) which is how they learned themselves.
08-09-2005 | 03:17 PM
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Demographics change across the country, I doubt there are many "rogue" flyers in the greater Toronto area, the only places large enough to be RC friendly tend to be the handful of RC fields in the area.... Park flying or line control on the other hand, that's a whole different matter....
As for recruiting existing modellers, I have direct experience as I was one of the founding members of the Huntsville Model club around 1974 I believe. Increasing membership is a noble cause, and I think providing a stable, available and effective training program is much more key to this cause. Something my home club (Ajax) has done, and continues to do quite well. Unfortunately, not all clubs (in fact, I would have to say a majority) are keen on training or even hosting newbies. You may know Clarence Ragland as he is well known for espoucing his views on this, I happen to agree with him, and use his Instruction technique, after witnessing how successful his approach (Ragland method; basically Kinesthetic learning) is. This is something I think most clubs serious about recruiting (and instruction) should evaluate.
As for recruiting existing modellers, I have direct experience as I was one of the founding members of the Huntsville Model club around 1974 I believe. Increasing membership is a noble cause, and I think providing a stable, available and effective training program is much more key to this cause. Something my home club (Ajax) has done, and continues to do quite well. Unfortunately, not all clubs (in fact, I would have to say a majority) are keen on training or even hosting newbies. You may know Clarence Ragland as he is well known for espoucing his views on this, I happen to agree with him, and use his Instruction technique, after witnessing how successful his approach (Ragland method; basically Kinesthetic learning) is. This is something I think most clubs serious about recruiting (and instruction) should evaluate.
08-09-2005 | 04:20 PM
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Yep, I'm familiar with Clarence as we did some correspondence when I was on the board. I also like his technique and his points are valid regarding clubs not being too active with newbies.
I don't have an answer when it comes to "non-welcoming" attitudes at any particular club. If members can't see benefit to welcoming and helping newbies, then I suspect the longevity of that club will die along with their members. It certainly wouldn't be much "fun" playing in a club like that.
I don't have an answer when it comes to "non-welcoming" attitudes at any particular club. If members can't see benefit to welcoming and helping newbies, then I suspect the longevity of that club will die along with their members. It certainly wouldn't be much "fun" playing in a club like that.
08-10-2005 | 07:00 AM
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I can't speak for other regions, but in our immediate club area I personally am aware of "rogue" pilots. Their numbers are equal to ~ 15% of our active club membership. They just don't want to be part of a club and the accompanying safety restrictions.
08-10-2005 | 08:48 AM
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Unfortunately, for the most part, there is little that anyone can do in finding a solution. AMA's new Executive Director Don Koranda fully recognizes the situation, but like anyone else doesn't have the power to do much, if anything about it. Don has proven to be very open to discuss the problem (slow/no growth) and club's attitude towards the public. So perhaps, there might be a tiny glimer of light showing.
See: http://www.modelaircraft.org/mag/Aug...ecdirector.htm
Take care,
CCR
See: http://www.modelaircraft.org/mag/Aug...ecdirector.htm
Take care,
CCR
08-10-2005 | 09:28 AM
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There is a similar situation in Calgary but its mostly associated around park-fliers who dont do RC stuff large enough to warrant joining a club......by chance many of these guys are also into indoor flying.
Well at our indoor venues (2-3 times a week usually) MAAC is mandatory (requested by the facility owners).....so many joined in order to fly indoor. Many of the guys who were not MAAC members at least now are, although they still dont belong to clubs. At least they are being exposed to those that do and gathering a better appreciation of all the hobby has to offer!
Now for the scary part
Not sure how many of you are seriously into park flying....I do it a fair bit when schedule allows (usually early spring/later fall after competition season is over)....the ability of these models is incredible. We have guys here who are into the need for speed thing and get a lot out of their planes. I know of a one instance where they have been testing for speed in the local park (with one guys radar gun...you know where this is going)......hitting the 200 kph range IN A PARK! Sure enough the model failed and the bullet shaped fuse luckily was flying flat enough that it crashed within the park instead of the houses. Another popular model here "the Whiz" is quite easily capable of doing 100+ kph on 2s packs and cheap CD rom motors.....routinely flown in parks.
A lot of these guys have never belonged to clubs and have no experience with larger models so I dont know if they quite grasp the potential danger of some of the models they are flying.....I am involved as much as possible and try to pass along some sense of responsibility and it helps I think......but the issue is all of modelling will be painted with the same brush the day their is an accident at the local park (and I have no doubt there will be). With the surge of electrics and the huge increases in performance it wont be long before larger models start showing up in parks......it would be a peice of cake for me to fly my 10.5 lb Enigma (2.2 kW power system) at the larger parks and its so quiet no one would even know I am there.....realistically I have no need to belong to a club but I do because its the best place for it
There is such interest here in park flying that there will likely be a club formed soon and city permission requested (I imagine they will also require MAAC before they agree) to use certain parks for this activity.....on occasion we have had enough guys out at once to warrant setting up temporary flight lines and frequency control!!
Well at our indoor venues (2-3 times a week usually) MAAC is mandatory (requested by the facility owners).....so many joined in order to fly indoor. Many of the guys who were not MAAC members at least now are, although they still dont belong to clubs. At least they are being exposed to those that do and gathering a better appreciation of all the hobby has to offer!
Now for the scary part
Not sure how many of you are seriously into park flying....I do it a fair bit when schedule allows (usually early spring/later fall after competition season is over)....the ability of these models is incredible. We have guys here who are into the need for speed thing and get a lot out of their planes. I know of a one instance where they have been testing for speed in the local park (with one guys radar gun...you know where this is going)......hitting the 200 kph range IN A PARK! Sure enough the model failed and the bullet shaped fuse luckily was flying flat enough that it crashed within the park instead of the houses. Another popular model here "the Whiz" is quite easily capable of doing 100+ kph on 2s packs and cheap CD rom motors.....routinely flown in parks.A lot of these guys have never belonged to clubs and have no experience with larger models so I dont know if they quite grasp the potential danger of some of the models they are flying.....I am involved as much as possible and try to pass along some sense of responsibility
and it helps I think......but the issue is all of modelling will be painted with the same brush the day their is an accident at the local park (and I have no doubt there will be). With the surge of electrics and the huge increases in performance it wont be long before larger models start showing up in parks......it would be a peice of cake for me to fly my 10.5 lb Enigma (2.2 kW power system) at the larger parks and its so quiet no one would even know I am there.....realistically I have no need to belong to a club but I do because its the best place for it There is such interest here in park flying that there will likely be a club formed soon and city permission requested (I imagine they will also require MAAC before they agree) to use certain parks for this activity.....on occasion we have had enough guys out at once to warrant setting up temporary flight lines and frequency control!!
08-10-2005 | 10:19 AM
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There is a similar situation in Calgary but its mostly associated around park-fliers who dont do RC stuff large enough to warrant joining a club......by chance many of these guys are also into indoor flying.
There is a similar situation in Calgary but its mostly associated around park-fliers who dont do RC stuff large enough to warrant joining a club......by chance many of these guys are also into indoor flying.
08-10-2005 | 12:03 PM
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Nice to see your all getting along again
I just got all packed up to head out for the Nats to compete for the 2nd time.. how many times you all are there?
Hats off to Ivan and Bob for running Scale Aerobatics at the Nats.. We all where there.. it dont matter if you got 1st place or last place to all of us..we where there..and did we ever have fun fun fun
Hats off to the Chatam club for doing the leg work before we all got there and thanks to Norm himself..old guy does alot of work
And thanks Gerry for stepping forward as you did to do the NATs Period
Off to Funscale
Randy
I just got all packed up to head out for the Nats to compete for the 2nd time.. how many times you all are there?
Hats off to Ivan and Bob for running Scale Aerobatics at the Nats.. We all where there.. it dont matter if you got 1st place or last place to all of us..we where there..and did we ever have fun fun fun
Hats off to the Chatam club for doing the leg work before we all got there and thanks to Norm himself..old guy does alot of work
And thanks Gerry for stepping forward as you did to do the NATs Period
Off to Funscale
Randy
08-15-2005 | 07:05 PM
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I guess this is what MAAC members get for their $69,000 FAI 2004 Worlds and the 2005 MAAC Nats
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Chuck there were more than a few things that were not as per the scale rule book as posted on the MAAC web site. The ten minute rule you used from wheels up was totaly wrong. If you had familiarized yourself with the rule book it states the ten minutes is from the time you start to crank your engine.
Times - Max. 10 min. per flight. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Model released for flight in 5 min. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Time starts on cranking engine.
Canadian RC Scale Rules Section 2
As far as moving pilots to the back and giving them a second chance this voids any rule as to the time constraint imposed as an official contest and there is no provision for this anywhere in the MAAC Scale Rules period.
Dan Kalopos was one of those with a prop plane who was turned back from the first round and after asking he was told there would be no second chance at a first attempt as this was clearly stated as such in the rule book. Only after your buddy from Robarts had a flame out with his jet did the rule change. He also took longer than the regulation 5 min from the time of first cranking his turbine till the flame out and aborted attempt. Mulligans or the allowing of a pilot and aircraft to rotate to the back of the field when they cannot answer the call has never been part of any Canadian Scale contest I have witnessed. The last two that were held in Tillsonburg there was nothing like that allowed.
Dennis Pratt
Times - Max. 10 min. per flight. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Model released for flight in 5 min. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Time starts on cranking engine.
Canadian RC Scale Rules Section 2
As far as moving pilots to the back and giving them a second chance this voids any rule as to the time constraint imposed as an official contest and there is no provision for this anywhere in the MAAC Scale Rules period.
Dan Kalopos was one of those with a prop plane who was turned back from the first round and after asking he was told there would be no second chance at a first attempt as this was clearly stated as such in the rule book. Only after your buddy from Robarts had a flame out with his jet did the rule change. He also took longer than the regulation 5 min from the time of first cranking his turbine till the flame out and aborted attempt. Mulligans or the allowing of a pilot and aircraft to rotate to the back of the field when they cannot answer the call has never been part of any Canadian Scale contest I have witnessed. The last two that were held in Tillsonburg there was nothing like that allowed.
Dennis Pratt
Dennis, those of us who have been in the scale communittee for some time determined this to be 15 plus minutes
Times - Max. 10 min. per flight. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Model released for flight in 5 min. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Time starts on cranking engine.
Your flight time is ten minutes and you get 5 to get into the air. This is how it has been since day one and it is how it will stay.
The scale contest was a good one, everyone was treated the same. If you believe you can do better you are welcomel to step to the plate and stop you whinning
you state
Dan Kalopos was one of those with a prop plane who was turned back from the first round and after asking he was told there would be no second chance at a first attempt as this was clearly stated as such in the rule book.
Dan did not even attempt a first attempt, he was not prepare to fly and we allowed him to correct this, is that a problem with you, it wasn't for anyone else.
Dan is also a friend and the situation was brought to my attention and discussed with the judges and flightline people, he was the first to be put to the bottom of the order. Dan did a fine job and for you to bring up his name, more than likely with out his permission or knowledge is only another attempt to discredit something that didn't go your way'
Dennis back off, the pilots had had a good time so stop diminishing their event.
I will not get sucked into this bull****, so you know exactly what you can do
Times - Max. 10 min. per flight. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Model released for flight in 5 min. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Time starts on cranking engine.
Your flight time is ten minutes and you get 5 to get into the air. This is how it has been since day one and it is how it will stay.
The scale contest was a good one, everyone was treated the same. If you believe you can do better you are welcomel to step to the plate and stop you whinning
you state
Dan Kalopos was one of those with a prop plane who was turned back from the first round and after asking he was told there would be no second chance at a first attempt as this was clearly stated as such in the rule book.
Dan did not even attempt a first attempt, he was not prepare to fly and we allowed him to correct this, is that a problem with you, it wasn't for anyone else.
Dan is also a friend and the situation was brought to my attention and discussed with the judges and flightline people, he was the first to be put to the bottom of the order. Dan did a fine job and for you to bring up his name, more than likely with out his permission or knowledge is only another attempt to discredit something that didn't go your way'
Dennis back off, the pilots had had a good time so stop diminishing their event.
I will not get sucked into this bull****, so you know exactly what you can do
08-17-2005 | 07:41 AM
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RE: 2005 MAAC Nats
first mulligans then parties at the MAAC Scale Nats - has Marc Sharpe accounted for his whereabouts on this particular weekend, we need a personal tracking device.
[link]http://imageevent.com/jabbathehutt[/link] - I wonder about the mulligan???
Time for the MAAC Gomery inquiry.
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[link]http://imageevent.com/jabbathehutt[/link] - I wonder about the mulligan???
Time for the MAAC Gomery inquiry.
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Chuck there were more than a few things that were not as per the scale rule book as posted on the MAAC web site. The ten minute rule you used from wheels up was totaly wrong. If you had familiarized yourself with the rule book it states the ten minutes is from the time you start to crank your engine.
Times - Max. 10 min. per flight. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Model released for flight in 5 min. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Time starts on cranking engine.
Canadian RC Scale Rules Section 2
As far as moving pilots to the back and giving them a second chance this voids any rule as to the time constraint imposed as an official contest and there is no provision for this anywhere in the MAAC Scale Rules period.
Dan Kalopos was one of those with a prop plane who was turned back from the first round and after asking he was told there would be no second chance at a first attempt as this was clearly stated as such in the rule book. Only after your buddy from Robarts had a flame out with his jet did the rule change. He also took longer than the regulation 5 min from the time of first cranking his turbine till the flame out and aborted attempt. Mulligans or the allowing of a pilot and aircraft to rotate to the back of the field when they cannot answer the call has never been part of any Canadian Scale contest I have witnessed. The last two that were held in Tillsonburg there was nothing like that allowed.
Dennis Pratt
Times - Max. 10 min. per flight. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Model released for flight in 5 min. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Time starts on cranking engine.
Canadian RC Scale Rules Section 2
As far as moving pilots to the back and giving them a second chance this voids any rule as to the time constraint imposed as an official contest and there is no provision for this anywhere in the MAAC Scale Rules period.
Dan Kalopos was one of those with a prop plane who was turned back from the first round and after asking he was told there would be no second chance at a first attempt as this was clearly stated as such in the rule book. Only after your buddy from Robarts had a flame out with his jet did the rule change. He also took longer than the regulation 5 min from the time of first cranking his turbine till the flame out and aborted attempt. Mulligans or the allowing of a pilot and aircraft to rotate to the back of the field when they cannot answer the call has never been part of any Canadian Scale contest I have witnessed. The last two that were held in Tillsonburg there was nothing like that allowed.
Dennis Pratt
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Dennis PLEASE give it a rest I am tired of your soap boxing, You said it all before many times. (Mr McGrath reaps what he sows (ask Barb Shaw)).
I am totaly embarrassed for our friends who came to this great event and are being constantly slammed by a very few people. If they never came back again I would not blame them.
If you guys are wondering what Dennis alludes to is the fact that I had a private party at my house for my friends and neither he nor McGrath were invited. And before things start it was a PRIVATE party funded totaly by myself and my wife for our friends. I could only host a small number so the list had be kept to a minimum.
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MAAC 3971L
"It is a d**n site easier to spit on the work of others that it is to produce something better yourself" - Jack Ryan - Red Rabbit
I am totaly embarrassed for our friends who came to this great event and are being constantly slammed by a very few people. If they never came back again I would not blame them.
If you guys are wondering what Dennis alludes to is the fact that I had a private party at my house for my friends and neither he nor McGrath were invited. And before things start it was a PRIVATE party funded totaly by myself and my wife for our friends. I could only host a small number so the list had be kept to a minimum.
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MAAC 3971L
"It is a d**n site easier to spit on the work of others that it is to produce something better yourself" - Jack Ryan - Red Rabbit
08-17-2005 | 08:01 AM
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For someone who is not afraid to hide their disdain for the site, you sure must spend a lot of time on RCCanada.... combing through the content looking for something you can spin.
I notice you don't bother to post any of the positive comments (that outnumber the negative by a long shot).
I notice you don't bother to post any of the positive comments (that outnumber the negative by a long shot).
08-17-2005 | 08:14 AM
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RE: 2005 MAAC Nats
Jim, I love RCCANADA, I love the news on RCCanada.
I love you Jim, just because you have a strong dislike for my opinions, I understand why you keep up your personal attacks on me instead of debating the topic. I forgive you for posting these personal attacks against me.
love you brother.
-ken
I love you Jim, just because you have a strong dislike for my opinions, I understand why you keep up your personal attacks on me instead of debating the topic. I forgive you for posting these personal attacks against me.
love you brother.
-ken
08-17-2005 | 08:46 AM
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What's to debate Ken?
The fact that a couple individuals on the Scale committee continue to disagree publicly, or the fact that you're trying to somehow spin this disagreement into some Nationals or MAAC failing?
Perhaps the fact that there is disagreement in the Scale committee is a good reason (in your mind) for discontinuing National competitions?
I just don't get the your inferences. What are you driving at. Give me a real subject to debate and I'm there.... I may even agree, but then there would be no debate...
Errr... I'm a confirmed heterosexual... sorry to deflate your dreams man.
The fact that a couple individuals on the Scale committee continue to disagree publicly, or the fact that you're trying to somehow spin this disagreement into some Nationals or MAAC failing?
Perhaps the fact that there is disagreement in the Scale committee is a good reason (in your mind) for discontinuing National competitions?
I just don't get the your inferences. What are you driving at. Give me a real subject to debate and I'm there.... I may even agree, but then there would be no debate...
I love you Jim
08-17-2005 | 10:29 PM
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Jim
What is interesting is the personnal attacks and comments on the RCC site NATS thread are pretty much just as nasty and rumour filled as anything any of the "Manitoba 7" was accused of posting. Actually some of it is worse as there are folks who are openly admitting serious dislike for each other. And yet Mark, Ken, etc have not posted a single item to it (currently over 100 posts). One need not have a personnal agenda or put any "spin" on it to get the impression that there is serious discontent amongst a few of the participants, committee members, and organizers of the scale event. If your only input into the NATS scale contest was that thread, it taints the quality of that event and the heat and light it is generating is seriously overshadowing the other events.
Too bad actually.
JH
What is interesting is the personnal attacks and comments on the RCC site NATS thread are pretty much just as nasty and rumour filled as anything any of the "Manitoba 7" was accused of posting. Actually some of it is worse as there are folks who are openly admitting serious dislike for each other. And yet Mark, Ken, etc have not posted a single item to it (currently over 100 posts). One need not have a personnal agenda or put any "spin" on it to get the impression that there is serious discontent amongst a few of the participants, committee members, and organizers of the scale event. If your only input into the NATS scale contest was that thread, it taints the quality of that event and the heat and light it is generating is seriously overshadowing the other events.
Too bad actually.
JH
08-18-2005 | 07:31 AM
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Jeff,
First, we are talking about one thread... your comparison is a bit overstated don't you think?
Secondly Ken has no choice, he cannot post to that thread (unless he sneaks in under some pseudonym) as he was kicked off the site for, as I understand it, contributing nothing but criticism, politics, and personal attacks.
I acknowledge your points about a couple individuals having issues, and the detrimental nature of that thread. It has taken a more positive turn recently and the number of positive comments do outnumber the silly posturing of one or two individuals. I guess it depends on your perspective and attitude going in....
First, we are talking about one thread... your comparison is a bit overstated don't you think?
Secondly Ken has no choice, he cannot post to that thread (unless he sneaks in under some pseudonym) as he was kicked off the site for, as I understand it, contributing nothing but criticism, politics, and personal attacks.
I acknowledge your points about a couple individuals having issues, and the detrimental nature of that thread. It has taken a more positive turn recently and the number of positive comments do outnumber the silly posturing of one or two individuals. I guess it depends on your perspective and attitude going in....
