Here is a couple:

http://rapidshare.com/files/162486333/Arrow.tif
http://rapidshare.com/files/162486334/Atlas_fuse1.tif
http://rapidshare.com/files/162486335/Atlas_Wing.tif
http://rapidshare.com/files/162488012/machone.tif
http://rapidshare.com/files/162488565/UFO.tif
http://rapidshare.com/files/162489072/Aurora45.tif

Very cool, thanks for that.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]

Ummm.....how do you download these files???? No luck on this end.

FB

Aurora 45... now that's a treat!

Thanks Pete.

Same question here. The link just opened a web page.

I tried a couple of times and eventually was presented with a download box. Though I had to try 2 or 3 times for each plan.

If anyone is successful in downloading the Aurora 45 file, PM me and I will send my e-mail address if you would send it to me. I have tried several times and am unable to download the file.

I was able to DL all the files, but for soem reason they are all about 10kb. I don't know what happened to all the detail.

ppljr your a legend. Thank you

Cheers
Tarquin

I just had a setting wrong. Now it works! Thanks for the plans ppljr!

So what's the secret to download these plans?

FB

A Mac!

Guys,

it might be a browser configuration issue. Mac or PC doesn't make a difference but if you don't succeed with one browser try another (e.g., Firefox, Safari).

The TIF files are 150-200 dpi full res scans and weigh about 500-1000 KB so JPEG compression was applied in the scan (uncompressed TIF would weigh considerably more). The best approach to working with the files is to vectorize them into PDF for example. Then they can be marked, scaled, pushed and stretched at will without quality loss. My PDF's are actually converting at just about the same weight which is quite remarkable but this is the first time I convert raster to vector image using the method I did. Of course these are flat files (no layer info has been retained), unlike say the PDF's I offered of the Tiporare some weeks back.

If anyone needs these in PDF format, I can email them given their size. Just PM me with your address.

... and Pete, thanks again!

Cheers, David.

What is the best format to take to Office Depot or Kinkos to have a full size plan set printed. Having not done this before, I don't know if .tif or .pdf or .??? would be best.

airbusdrvr

Replied to your PM. PDF will likely be the best filetype for commercial printing.

andrew

You should have received my PM with e-mail address. Thanks

I thought a line or two might help for those less file type savvy:

Line art in computers (i.e., plans) comes in one of two flavors - raster or vector. Raster file types are typically used for complex images that can't be vectorized readily when created. A photo is one such example. Raster file types include JPG, TIF, PSD, etc and are often compressed meaning that unnecessary information is discarded in an effort to reduce file size. All pictures posted here on RCU are JPG's or GIF's (less smart than JPG as it is indexed) so they are raster flavored. Raster files are comprised of colored pixel information at the resolution of the particular file. Pete's TIF plans come in this format and are compressed using a JPEG codec (I won't get into that though). Uncompressed TIF files are also possible which is what makes TIF (and TGA & PIC) a desirable raster file format. These files are better suited to scaling and produce excellent results when printed at their native resolution or smaller (e.g., inkjet photo printers). JPG files, by nature, are compressed - always.

On the other hand, vector based images are files that describe particular shapes via a scalable algorithm. For example a curve can be described via an equation and the file might say: "put a quarter curve using this formula at this location on the page". Because there is no intrinsic limiting resolution to vector images (a curve is a curve at any size), these files can be scaled to your heart's content without any loss in quality. Examples of vector based file types include PDF, PS, AI, etc. These are the ideal file format for working with plans as one often wants to scale them for printing or for reducing/enlarging a model's scale.

In a nutshell, a typical printed plans to computer to printed plans path might be something as follows:

[ul][*] Scan printed plans into raster TIF file - uncompressed if possible (full sized, 150 dpi or greater). Scanners don't know how to make vector files.[*] Convert the uncompressed TIF file into PDF (Acrobat Pro can be used for this).[*] Now that the file is vectorized, mark, stretch, squeeze, transform the plans at will. (Illustrator can be used for this.)[*] Produce final PDF file (or PS/AI if you prefer but PDF is the most portable and viewable) for printer. Laser printers (industrial large format) for printing at this scale typically speak Postscript (PS) so your PDF will be converted to PS upon printing (PDF and PS are close relatives). Inkjet plotters (corporate medium format) only speak a raster language so the vector PDF will be converted back to raster. The raster->vector->raster path is still a good idea even when printing on inkjet plotters. Kinko's probably uses laser printers at these scales (36" width)
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End result - pristine plans tailored to your needs. In three words "PDF is King!"

If all this sound pedantic, my apologies. Just though it might shed some light on the subject.

Cheers, David.

Doxilla, for those of us less computer savvy builders, I now see why complete kits are so much easier. After your complete description above I am reminded of what Paul Harvey(radio announcer) used to say at the end of his news cast, "And now you know the rest of the story."

He, he...

For some, that kind of stuff requires a degree in data systems analysis or something like that [:-]. For others, it's... yawn, boring!

Despite being fairly obstinate myself, I eventually accepted generational fate and sat down at a Unix workstation terminal around '90. In truth, I couldn't care less about computers before then - programming was for geeks as far as I was concerned. As the future would have it, I now work with images on a daily basis so I had no escape!

But for the rest of us modelers..., whenever possible, take PDF's to Kinko's.

If all else fails, forget about it and go flying! (Unless you're getting ready for the Great White North, that is.) [sm=47_47.gif]

BTW, I was never into smiles either... you can really tell, can't you?

Geeez! I had to look up that word.

Doxilla. Tiff files only lose information if saved with jpeg compression. If you use LZW or Zip compression when saving the file no information is discarded and you have no loss in graphic quality. From a scaling stand point PDF's do scale semetrically. but that's only if you have the Pro version of Acrobat.

I have all my plans scanned at my local comm. printer and placed on a USB Drive. My experience with them is that they use tiff as the medium for graphics and scan most of their plans at 400 dpi.

If you have the Professional Version of Acrobat it includes a PDF printer driver. This is a great feature of Acrobat Pro in that it allows you to print anything to a PDF file form any application. Once you the PDF you can open it back up in Acrobat Pro and save it to a graphic file of your choice, tiff, jpeg, etc. The only problem with this method is that Acrobat Pro has a problem saving large scans, like our model plans, to editable graphics files with a dpi larger than 200.

I have not seen a commercial or retail printer that does not use photoshop so I would say that that tiff's would be best for the graphically challenged. I say this because there are alot of inexpensive graphics applications that will read tiff files. This would allow a novice to scale his drawings to whatever size he chooses.

I personally perfer tiff's in that I cut and paste directly from the tiff to a new tiff, which cannot be done when it's a PDF.

This saves me dollars printing costs in that I can print out my own plans on an older inexpensive wide carriage printer without having to scotch tape the pages.

been looking for a Mach One plan for awhile to redraw in cad.Thanks