Laziness or Lack of Common Sense?
12-29-2010, 01:32 AM
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RE: Laziness or Lack of Common Sense?
Ed, that's an... ummm... humbling, I think, story. But this is probably NOTthe type of people who cause gripes. Or some of the major gripes. I can give you a example from another forum I frequent, an Israeli one, as it happens...
A member (whose signature reads - and this ISpertinent - "it is only in the dictionary that success precedes work") posted a question along the following lines (note, Iam quoting the gist of the total question AND much of the text, mainly translating):
When Iasked him whether he gets some sense of mental disequilibrium between his question and his signature, he simply answered - "No. There are people here who will answer." So, Ianswered his question, but I just feel... what? Saddened?
Those of you who know Hebrew can see the whole exchange here....
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A member (whose signature reads - and this ISpertinent - "it is only in the dictionary that success precedes work") posted a question along the following lines (note, Iam quoting the gist of the total question AND much of the text, mainly translating):
Hi,
Iam too lazy to read the manual or make or buy a Y-splitter for my aileron servo, so how can I program my Futaba 9 so that two channels control ailerons?
Thanks!
Iam too lazy to read the manual or make or buy a Y-splitter for my aileron servo, so how can I program my Futaba 9 so that two channels control ailerons?
Thanks!
When Iasked him whether he gets some sense of mental disequilibrium between his question and his signature, he simply answered - "No. There are people here who will answer." So, Ianswered his question, but I just feel... what? Saddened?
Those of you who know Hebrew can see the whole exchange here....
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ORIGINAL: edwal07
Hey guys,
All kidding aside. Have you ever stopped to think what the National Average for reading comprehension is in the US? About the 9th grade level or less! Then there is the matter of common sense! That in its self is another whole ball of wax. Just because many can read the words in a manual they have no clue, or do not understand what they have read! The mental aptitude of understanding varies from person to person, some are mechanicaly inclined, others are a whiz at math. At work I had a mechanic ask me a question on installing a part and torque values. I gave him the manual and turned it to the pages he needed and told him here is the information, you can follow the instructions and learn for yourself if you get into a tight spot let me know. However about 10 minutes later he came over to me with the book and stated very quitely, "I know you are trying to help but I cannot read." This was from a 24yr old. No one in the shop knew! Now how stupid do you think I felt. To make a long story short do not ASSUME some can comprehend what is written on your level. Some can, some cannot, so I would hold the smart replies and egotistic remarks until you KNOWFORA FACT just who you are responding to!
Nuf said!
Hey guys,
All kidding aside. Have you ever stopped to think what the National Average for reading comprehension is in the US? About the 9th grade level or less! Then there is the matter of common sense! That in its self is another whole ball of wax. Just because many can read the words in a manual they have no clue, or do not understand what they have read! The mental aptitude of understanding varies from person to person, some are mechanicaly inclined, others are a whiz at math. At work I had a mechanic ask me a question on installing a part and torque values. I gave him the manual and turned it to the pages he needed and told him here is the information, you can follow the instructions and learn for yourself if you get into a tight spot let me know. However about 10 minutes later he came over to me with the book and stated very quitely, "I know you are trying to help but I cannot read." This was from a 24yr old. No one in the shop knew! Now how stupid do you think I felt. To make a long story short do not ASSUME some can comprehend what is written on your level. Some can, some cannot, so I would hold the smart replies and egotistic remarks until you KNOWFORA FACT just who you are responding to!
Nuf said!
12-29-2010, 06:27 AM
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Yes, the story was true! My only intention was to show that some can comprehend more than others, and the vast number of people who cannot read in our modern day society! That is a pity, be it from a problem they cannot control. However, and let me restate, HOWEVER there are those who will not try or cannot understand because they are too lazy or would rather depend on others to do their work or provide them a care free, do this for me, type of life. The world is full of both. I have little patience with the latter. And yes, there will always be those who want someone else to shoulder their load and give them for free what you have worked hard for. But in the world of "anonymity" on the forum we should try to give correct and accurate advice, as we know not who we are responding to. It is up to the one posting the question to do or not do what you suggested. As stated before, if you think it's a dumb question, don't bother just keep on going.
I truly believe in thissummationof Maslow's theory, "Who you are now, is what you were when." Think about that and it willgive you aninsight into themysteries of the way people think, behave, and react!
12-29-2010, 06:34 AM
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The kid next door to me was told by the fastlube guys that changed his oil his serpentine belt on the front of his truck was about to break and he needed to change it asap! He went and bought the belt and the local auto repair wanted $40 to change it. I told him he could replace it himself in 5 minutes. I went over and showed him how to release tension on the belt and where the belt diagram was and let him at it to replace it. An hour later he came over and told me he can't do it. I went over and of course replaced it in 5 minutes and then told him it would be $20 for the help. You should of seen his face when he thought he was going to have to cough up $20 to me, I then told him I was just kidding. I am blown away by the lack of mechanical ability of many of our generation X'ers, so sad!!!
12-29-2010, 07:24 AM
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Here's the deal. Car forums are much different than the airplane forums. In the car forums you can see the same question every other thread some days. in fact if you searched for broken rustler, I bet you would find 3,456 threads on the same issue.
I don't notice any of this in the airplane forums.
Here's the deal. Car forums are much different than the airplane forums. In the car forums you can see the same question every other thread some days. in fact if you searched for broken rustler, I bet you would find 3,456 threads on the same issue.
I don't notice any of this in the airplane forums.
What's a good trainer plane?
What's a good second plane?
My engine stalls when I throttle up, what's wrong?
I can't get it started, and I did everything.
What glow plug, fuel, prop, do I use?
How do I break in an ABC engine?
I keep tuning the high speed mixture and it still won't idle.
Is this engine as good as my OS?
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What is a good radio, JR or Futaba?
Is 72Mhz bad and 2.4 Ghz good?
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I'd like to see AMA make the MA magazine optional.
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And my favorite, How do I get my plane out of a tree?
People should SEARCH before posting a new thread, but we're patient, friendly people in the airplane section, and allow for it.
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I return to my original question posted earlier in this forum. Why do redundant or very basic questions offend some folks so? Why not just ignore them and go on with your day? If someone asks a question that you think, without ever talking to the OP, he should know the answer to, just skip it and go on to something that is more appealing to you. Problem solved. Nobody gets flamed, nobody gets indignant.
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ORIGINAL: AutoXMan
I was being dramatic about the differences, but compared to the rc car forums the airplane forums look like they are populated by geniuses.
I was being dramatic about the differences, but compared to the rc car forums the airplane forums look like they are populated by geniuses.
Just guessing here, but perhaps my points above are true to some degree.
12-29-2010, 10:20 AM
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I return to my original question posted earlier in this forum. Why do redundant or very basic questions offend some folks so? Why not just ignore them and go on with your day? If someone asks a question that you think, without ever talking to the OP, he should know the answer to, just skip it and go on to something that is more appealing to you. Problem solved. Nobody gets flamed, nobody gets indignant.
I return to my original question posted earlier in this forum. Why do redundant or very basic questions offend some folks so? Why not just ignore them and go on with your day? If someone asks a question that you think, without ever talking to the OP, he should know the answer to, just skip it and go on to something that is more appealing to you. Problem solved. Nobody gets flamed, nobody gets indignant.
12-29-2010, 11:03 AM
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I may be oversimplifying, but I'm guessing that's largely due to heli/airplane guys being more experienced with RCs in general. In other words, I'm guessing the majority (not all, but most) fliers didn't jump straight to flying cold turkey w/out ANY ground RC experience - so they know the basics. Another possibility is that maybe most fliers are an older crowd, since flying can be more expensive in general - so you end up with a more mature crowd.
Just guessing here, but perhaps my points above are true to some degree.
ORIGINAL: AutoXMan
I was being dramatic about the differences, but compared to the rc car forums the airplane forums look like they are populated by geniuses.
I was being dramatic about the differences, but compared to the rc car forums the airplane forums look like they are populated by geniuses.
Just guessing here, but perhaps my points above are true to some degree.
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i need help i bought a motor from flea bay, if i take out the brushes will i be able to use lipo and a 1.20gigawatt flux capicaitor out my dads car or will i have to search for a 1.21 gigawatt from dr brown high capicity capacitor from the third story of the bungalow
12-29-2010, 12:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: Eman77
I may be oversimplifying, but I'm guessing that's largely due to heli/airplane guys being more experienced with RCs in general. In other words, I'm guessing the majority (not all, but most) fliers didn't jump straight to flying cold turkey w/out ANY ground RC experience - so they know the basics. Another possibility is that maybe most fliers are an older crowd, since flying can be more expensive in general - so you end up with a more mature crowd.
Just guessing here, but perhaps my points above are true to some degree.
ORIGINAL: AutoXMan
I was being dramatic about the differences, but compared to the rc car forums the airplane forums look like they are populated by geniuses.
I was being dramatic about the differences, but compared to the rc car forums the airplane forums look like they are populated by geniuses.
Just guessing here, but perhaps my points above are true to some degree.
Visit a Harley Davidson message board and you will see these people act just like the kids on here... Then again, maybe that is where the kids are getting it from
12-29-2010, 12:29 PM
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Seems as if redfisher was offended by my question. Anyone notice his signature line?
Seems as if redfisher was offended by my question. Anyone notice his signature line?
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Actually, have you not heard the old saying? "Some men learn from lecture. Some men learn from reading, and some men just have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."
12-29-2010, 01:51 PM
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Mythbusters showed that peeing on the electrial fence does nothing because the stream is broken up by the time it hits it.
(First thing I thought of when I read your post).
(First thing I thought of when I read your post).
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Idon't think so. Icame "back" to flying after 30 years. My original experience was... ummm... three flights of a CL Spitfire. Ikilled the poor birdie and did not touch another plane for 30 years. When I did come back to the stuff (2-3 years ago) - it took me.... oh.... let's call it half a day to learn the basic terminology. Like "thar upright thingy" being the tail and "them things that go up and down" being the ailerons.
Today, on the Israeli forms, another noob (and this one also looks like a young boy) basicly asked to be taught to operate his Tx. No, he has NOTread the manual. It is in English which he does not know well... I offered him to meet at the flight line and go over his radio with him. But that's a language barrier, happens. That is NOTa laziness barrier. Laziness, and not creative laziness but obstructive one, should be punished by Darwination.
Ido admit that having read the classics helps.
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Today, on the Israeli forms, another noob (and this one also looks like a young boy) basicly asked to be taught to operate his Tx. No, he has NOTread the manual. It is in English which he does not know well... I offered him to meet at the flight line and go over his radio with him. But that's a language barrier, happens. That is NOTa laziness barrier. Laziness, and not creative laziness but obstructive one, should be punished by Darwination.
Ido admit that having read the classics helps.
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ORIGINAL: Eman77
I may be oversimplifying, but I'm guessing that's largely due to heli/airplane guys being more experienced with RCs in general. In other words, I'm guessing the majority (not all, but most) fliers didn't jump straight to flying cold turkey w/out ANY ground RC experience - so they know the basics. Another possibility is that maybe most fliers are an older crowd, since flying can be more expensive in general - so you end up with a more mature crowd.
Just guessing here, but perhaps my points above are true to some degree.
ORIGINAL: AutoXMan
I was being dramatic about the differences, but compared to the rc car forums the airplane forums look like they are populated by geniuses.
I was being dramatic about the differences, but compared to the rc car forums the airplane forums look like they are populated by geniuses.
Just guessing here, but perhaps my points above are true to some degree.
12-29-2010, 03:09 PM
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I said the same thing although I believe I made it too wordy and too many big words for some on here to read.....
ORIGINAL: JollyPopper
I return to my original question posted earlier in this forum. Why do redundant or very basic questions offend some folks so? Why not just ignore them and go on with your day? If someone asks a question that you think, without ever talking to the OP, he should know the answer to, just skip it and go on to something that is more appealing to you. Problem solved. Nobody gets flamed, nobody gets indignant.
I return to my original question posted earlier in this forum. Why do redundant or very basic questions offend some folks so? Why not just ignore them and go on with your day? If someone asks a question that you think, without ever talking to the OP, he should know the answer to, just skip it and go on to something that is more appealing to you. Problem solved. Nobody gets flamed, nobody gets indignant.
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Uh, your 6800 posts aren't clogging? 
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It clogs up the forums .......
It clogs up the forums .......
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Out of my own laziness I am not reading the past 3 pages. Anyways, it's probably more lazy than common sense. Most of the people asking these questions are probably kids who are given everything in life and their parents bow down to them, doing anything and everything the kid wishes. And when something goes wrong and mommy and daddy can't figure it out, they cry like OmG GUIZZ I CANTT FIGUR THIS OUTTTT!!!!!!!11!! 
((((. And because they never have to do anything themselves, they probably wouldn't even know what a manual is to look in one. I have been in the hobby for 4 years and know 1000 times more than kids like that because I do everything myself, when I have issues, I either look in my manual or GOOGLE it. For being such a huge company and a pioneer in computer technology, people seem to forget Google alot.
((((. And because they never have to do anything themselves, they probably wouldn't even know what a manual is to look in one. I have been in the hobby for 4 years and know 1000 times more than kids like that because I do everything myself, when I have issues, I either look in my manual or GOOGLE it. For being such a huge company and a pioneer in computer technology, people seem to forget Google alot.
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ORIGINAL: JollyPopper
I return to my original question posted earlier in this forum. Why do redundant or very basic questions offend some folks so?
I return to my original question posted earlier in this forum. Why do redundant or very basic questions offend some folks so?
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I find that in today's society it is an insult to tell me that I have common sense, considering that the lack of sense is more common than what I have. I find more often than not in my world of greater advancement, that it is much more respectful to refer to those with greater thinking abilities as MIRACLED THINKERS. Miracled Thinking - because it is a miracle that someone actually thinks before anything. However being the most misunderstood individual in the world, while speaking the same kings english as everyone else in my life, tells me that I am far too advanced for this world. I do help as often as possible, but theres nothing like the lesson of experience. The School of Hard Knocks has more alumni than any other school in the world. And face it failure is only funny when it isn't your money.
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ORIGINAL: DaveG55
Exactly right, you gotta use foil tape on duct work. You could use foil tape on tires as well if you want a chrome rim look...
ORIGINAL: redfisher1974
Duct tape, Good for everything except duct work...lol
Duct tape, Good for everything except duct work...lol
Exactly right, you gotta use foil tape on duct work. You could use foil tape on tires as well if you want a chrome rim look...
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