Touchin the tail
10-28-2003, 08:17 PM
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Touchin the tail
I was talking to my fellow friend at the hobby shopp and he said he got his new AMA and it had these crazy rules and it says that nothing except for the landing gear can be touched on the ground intentionally. Touching the tall is not allowed. Is this true. If it is, what is going to happen at next years Joe Nall
hopefully this rule isnt true but i read it in fine print. Has anyone else heard this?
hopefully this rule isnt true but i read it in fine print. Has anyone else heard this?
10-28-2003, 09:37 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
Wayne, do you perhaps know the reason behind this rule. I mean it isn't going to stop me from trying it or anything, but I am curious to know why there is a rule against tail touching.
10-28-2003, 09:39 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
No need to worry about that one.
Here's the line from the safety code:
"9) ...nor should any part of the model other than the landing gear, intentionally touch the ground, except while landing."
Clearly, this rule doesn't pertain to us. I've never intentionally touched my rudder to the ground. It's happened a bunch of times, but on every one of those occasions my intent was to touch the tailwheel to the ground or to hover a quarter inch from the ground. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Actually I have done some intentional tail touches, but I've always yelled "landing" or "touch and go" first. The rule does make an exception for landings.
David
Here's the line from the safety code:
"9) ...nor should any part of the model other than the landing gear, intentionally touch the ground, except while landing."
Clearly, this rule doesn't pertain to us. I've never intentionally touched my rudder to the ground. It's happened a bunch of times, but on every one of those occasions my intent was to touch the tailwheel to the ground or to hover a quarter inch from the ground. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Actually I have done some intentional tail touches, but I've always yelled "landing" or "touch and go" first. The rule does make an exception for landings.
David
10-28-2003, 09:46 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
Wayne, do you perhaps know the reason behind this rule.
Probably the perceived safety issue with tail tapping.
Is it going to stop people from doing it? Nope.
10-29-2003, 11:23 AM
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RE: Touchin the tail
Shoot! That makes my intentional crashes against the rules[>:]
Did anyone see the new movie "Freaky Friday"? There's a phrase in the movie that really applies here:
FUN SUCKER
Did anyone see the new movie "Freaky Friday"? There's a phrase in the movie that really applies here:
FUN SUCKER
10-29-2003, 05:26 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
Dave
I fly at the liars field in bellport!
http://www.liarsrc.com/
not real 3d friendly but that doesn't stop me!
Rick
I fly at the liars field in bellport!
http://www.liarsrc.com/
not real 3d friendly but that doesn't stop me!
Rick
10-29-2003, 06:36 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
So as long as I only touch the grass or the asphalt/concrete it's Ok, right. If it hits hard enough to touch the ground it's definitely and accident.
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10-29-2003, 08:04 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
In the Feb 9, 2001 EC meeting minutes this change is discussed but not voted on. I can't find a vote in any of the more recent meetings. Time to contact the ama and find out how this change happened.
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10-29-2003, 09:37 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
HAVE NO FEAR BROS!!!!!! I have a solution.
Can't touch the tail on the ground huh???????? I don't know about yall, however I have been bored touching the tail on the ground for some time now.
We have been putting out obstacales to touch the tail on. Tables, chairs, other airplanes, garbage cans, pilot saftey barrier (glad I don't have a pic of that) and other unmentionable things
At the Houston Hoverfest we will have items to touch the tail on.
If the AMA is going to make rules to what we can and can not do, one of two things needs to happen:
1) We (Pro Bros) form a AMA S.I.G to defend 3D or
2) We go 100% Outlaw
I would prefer to become a defender of 3D. I have flown Outlaw for many years. In my area of the world, outlaw flying sites are becoming slim. I am already a member of 2 clubs and for 2004 I may be a member of 3, however if they limit the way I fly, my club membership dues will be zero for next year.
If they people making the rules fly around in a circle, 3D may be in danger.
Can't touch the tail on the ground huh???????? I don't know about yall, however I have been bored touching the tail on the ground for some time now.
We have been putting out obstacales to touch the tail on. Tables, chairs, other airplanes, garbage cans, pilot saftey barrier (glad I don't have a pic of that) and other unmentionable things
At the Houston Hoverfest we will have items to touch the tail on.
If the AMA is going to make rules to what we can and can not do, one of two things needs to happen:
1) We (Pro Bros) form a AMA S.I.G to defend 3D or
2) We go 100% Outlaw
I would prefer to become a defender of 3D. I have flown Outlaw for many years. In my area of the world, outlaw flying sites are becoming slim. I am already a member of 2 clubs and for 2004 I may be a member of 3, however if they limit the way I fly, my club membership dues will be zero for next year.
If they people making the rules fly around in a circle, 3D may be in danger.
10-29-2003, 09:49 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
A man with a plan! But your right it does get boring touching, so now I'm taking an attitude that i'm Chip Hyde, so I'm doing the Chip Hyde walkaround and 8 point rolls 3 ft of the ground! I just hope my plane stays together now.
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10-29-2003, 09:51 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
Well Tony, we still disagree on that one. The SIG makes us more under their control, not less. If you think you'll get a waiver for all Bros to violate the "no tail touchy" rule, all the time, anywhere, you're dreaming! In my humble opinion, of course. But I guess we don't want THAT debate to erupt again do we?
I say we exercise some civil disobedience, next big event at Muncie (ie $ pit) we all show up and tail touch our faces off!!! But I am a bit of a trouble maker!
The SIG makes us more under their control, not less. If you think you'll get a waiver for all Bros to violate the "no tail touchy" rule, all the time, anywhere, you're dreaming! In my humble opinion, of course. But I guess we don't want THAT debate to erupt again do we?I say we exercise some civil disobedience, next big event at Muncie (ie $ pit) we all show up and tail touch our faces off!!! But I am a bit of a trouble maker!
10-29-2003, 10:27 PM
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I say we exercise some civil disobedience, next big event at Muncie (ie $ pit) we all show up and tail touch our faces off!!! But I am a bit of a trouble maker!
I say we exercise some civil disobedience, next big event at Muncie (ie $ pit) we all show up and tail touch our faces off!!! But I am a bit of a trouble maker!
10-29-2003, 10:32 PM
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Well,
I guess what I am doing now is really bad,,, I have been doing hand launch (EASY), and hand landing. And yes I still got all my fingers. All the spectators really get a kick out of that one. I do like the idea of obsticles though.
Maybe, put a wire hook and pick stuff up hmmmmm?
Shane
I guess what I am doing now is really bad,,, I have been doing hand launch (EASY), and hand landing. And yes I still got all my fingers. All the spectators really get a kick out of that one. I do like the idea of obsticles though.
Maybe, put a wire hook and pick stuff up hmmmmm?
Shane
10-29-2003, 10:42 PM
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RE: Touchin the tail
Ya. Me too. I hover out of my hand almost every takeoff. But I don't have the sack to grab one yet, I'm not as fast as some!!! I don't plan any major changes to my mediocre yet enjoyable flying style. And I doubt anyone else will. But if someone gets it, there won't be any insurance coverage there!
10-29-2003, 10:49 PM
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Next year I am planning to go fly fishing he he... When the bream start bitng again I am going to put a hook and a bobbler on the tail skid of my magic and try my luck... I hope the small ones are biting this day LOL!!!
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10-30-2003, 12:26 AM
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RE: Touchin the tail
Gordo, I'm pretty sure AMA doesn't cover the flyer him self or his property anyways. so your not covered either way. AMA is for the other guy and his car that you hurt