I am looking for a cheap 3d trainer. I would like to get something that would be easy to repair when I crash , but if demolished, would not take long to build another plane. I would not like to go the arf route, because I enjoy building. Thanks

Torque

Have a look at the PQHOR at www.spadtothebone.com

these must be one of the best 3d trainers and 3d planes out there currently

Sounds like the Fat Free Taco, check it out in this forum.

you cannot beat the PQHOR...go to the thread silly me advised...there are also other threads...do a search PQHOR or QHOR
cheap...10-12 bucks, very durable (takes a DORKING and keeps on TORQUING) gosh i love saying that.....and is probably the easiest thing there is to hover....try it you will like it!

As stated above - its hard to beat the PQHOR or QHOR for entry level 3-D. They are great for Elevators, Harriers, Hovering, flat spins and a few others. They will not perform the knife edge manuvers, though likem I said, they are great trainers for 3D. I have posted some movies on my website. Just follow the links for movies, then "Awe-HOR" movies. Jason - aka Flyboone has also posted some great movies as well as others. Check out the SPAD forum on RCU for additional info.
You won't regret it!
Kevin

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Yeah, after I saw Jason (Flyboone's) video I had to make one for myself. Amazing!!!

Regardless of what you get, you have to build a Pqhor. You will not believe how much your flying will progress. Before you know it you will be tail touching while torque rolling!! You can build one for any engine from a .25 on up. A .91 is the biggest I've seen so far. A guy at my field built a pretty big one and is going to use a 1.08 or a 1.20 two stroke. If I bust up my Katana I will probably try to build one for my Saito 1.80!!

Jason

I appreciate it! Please realize that I am in this to support the hobby, which obviously I haved made that point to you, due to your comments. When I honestly beive that there is something better out there, to meet the request, then I let the individual know. I can not tell you how many potential sales I've turned away because I know that what I had to offer was not what the individual was looking for.

Regarding your "Hint - Hint", I have been working a larger version of the Ecstasy, though I am designing it for a 50cc gasser. That is what I want to go to. It has been on the 'back buner' due to personal issues, though I plan on getting back to it. Not sure yet if it will meet your needs, though doubt it [SORRY!]
Kevin

Kevin, you are a most patient man....i too enjoy your comments and your willingness to help others

I'd like to echo what everyone has said about the PQHOR or SPA3D as it is being called now. If you can't harrier around on the first flight, you aren't trying. And it should have been called the "Duraplane" except someone already grabbed that one. I would venture to say that anyone who has flown one will tell you that it is the absolute best plane to learn 3D.

Thanks for all of the responses guys! I think I might go for the Taco FF and the PQHOR, and see which one I like the best. Thanks!

Torque

Does the pqhor fly drastically different then the qhor or is it just the visual thing with the fuse? Just trying to decide which one too build here.

Dan

That's all it is! The cool part is that you can always slap a profile fuselage in later...or remove it if weight and performance becomes an issue. I can say that the original QHOR didn't get a whole lot of interest at the field...just some couriousity...but the day we slapped the fuse on it you would have thought we invented anti-gravity or something...it's amazing how much visual appeal has to do with it.

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Boy - You are relentless <LOL>

Are you sure that 'Weedie' is 3.5-4 lbs! That seems heavy, though I've never weighed one. The 50cc gassers that I've been looking at for the Ecstasy Extreme are right around 3 lbs. If the 'weedie' that you are considering only puts out 10 lbs of thrust, that the current Ecstasy design would handle that. My Ecstasy is 7.5 lbs with a ST90 on it. I have other customers that are running other engines that are running up to 8.5 lbs (that I know of). I have one customer even running a Saito 150 on his ecstasy, though he flies in Utah at above 6,000 ft. above sea level . The current Ecstasy has approx. 1255 SQ. IN. of wing area. Pending on the location that you fly at, and the 'Weedie's' weight, you may be able to modifiy the existing design to accommodate your 'Weedie'.
Kevin