I already bought the airpane, and no, i dont have any acces to the real flight simulator. Currently, I am flying the hobbico avistar and have had some crazy spins on it. I hope i dont lawn dart this one into the ground. Although the school i fly at has a feind that i fly at. It only the length of a soccer field. I f i wanted it to be. I could add a football feild onto it and double its length, but there would be a 50 foot long and 15 foot high hill right smack in the middle of it .

My advice is set the Cap up to hang from the ceiling for a while, get a Four Star which uses the same size engine... Or build a couple of SPAD aircraft to increase your skill with higher perormance planes, THEN fly the Cap.

If you build and practivce flying the "CoroStang" from www.spadtothebone.com you'll have little to no problem with the Cap. If you can't fly the $10 to construct (plus radio and engine...) CoroStang, your Cap won't last long.

It is only a 30 size airplane to which I will slap a 32 sx on it. It is smaller then the plane i am flying now and the engine is pretty quiet.(ran it today right out of the box.) By the way...is that corostang 10 bux for the plans???

FHHuber.......Where can I get this coroplast stuff??

How about the tower hobbies Fun 51 profile mustang?? It seems like it would be a fun model and a good one to practice on. My freind is getting the same one in fact. Its cheap and looks sharp!

The Fun51 is again a very sensitive aircraft. Easy to get in trouble with it if you aren't used to a more agile plane than the common trainer.

Just being aware of the potential problems is a step to not crunching the plane. If yo have an experienced pilot take it up HIGH and get back on the buddy box, you can gain the skills needed for the high performance planes. (Buddy boxes aren't just for those who haven't soloed!)

The Corrogated plastic is common sign material. A couple of old campaign signs makes a plane. 9just sand off the paint where the glue is going The paint will peel from the plastic making the joints fail.) You can also go to sign making companies, or order it from Harbor Sales. (www.harborsales.com) Gotta buy $25 worth of coroplast to get it without paying shipping charges. (about 5 to 7 planes worth of material) Shipping charge on just enough to build one plane, you may as well order the extra material.

When ordering form Harbor Sales, WATCH the flute direction when specifying the cuts! most 2 mm you want the flutes running the short way. Most 4 mm you want the flutes the long way. (but some of both directions of both sizes) You can get four 2 ft X 4 Ft pieces (2 of each flute direction) from each 4X8 sheet of coro. You have to have it cut to 2 ft x 4 ft (or smaller) for it to ship UPS. If it won't go UPS... gotta order $150 worth to not pay shipping.

I recently found a plane that is a kit for 40 bux at tower called the uproar. It is a 40 size "hot-dogger" tail dragger. I figure this would give good tail dragger experience and the chance to learn how to fly a low wing aerobat at lower stakes than with a cap 232. The good quality of this kit is that is it somewhat ore forgiving in its slower flight characteristics and shouldnt tip stall or just stall due to insufficiant approach speeds. If I get this i dont plan of assembling the cap until i am fully prepared to tackle the challenge!!

I have a Avistar and can't get it to do a spin. How do you get yours to do those "crazy spins" you were talking about?

It happened by accident actually......I was flying with a buddy of mine on a day off from school when we decided to fly. I took off doing some aerobatic loops and dives when i plunged into a nosedive and jerked the plane skyward after about 4 seconds. I attempted to climb verticcally but gravity eventually won the battle. but before that happened I had lowered my throttle, pushed the nose down a bit, add some(just a few clicks) power and put in full right rudder. It did about 4 spins before I added opposite rudder and almost max throttle and pulled out of it. Quite scary the first time i did it cause it was totally accidental!!

An Avistar properly set up as a trainer won't spin well. Its a dual purpose aircraft, introductory trainer and basic aerobatics, so it never will spin like a CAP or a Fun Fly plane. (not if you want to be able to recover from the spin...)

Move the CG back a little (1/8 to 1/4 inch) at a time, (preferably by moving the battery) to no further than 3/4 inch behind where its marked on the instructions. If its too far back, getting OUT of the spin can be impossible.

Changing the aileron center position can also enhance or reduce "spinnability" of a plane. turn the clevices 1/2 turn at a time to lower both ailerons. You have it right when instead of stalling flat, straight forward, it begins to drop a wing (usually the left with power on.)

Its also possible to warp the ailerons to drop at the tips, overcomming the built-in washout of the Avistar wing. Be REALLY careful here... stalls can become very unpredictable. Snapping into a spin on landing approach is rough on airplanes...

Make ONE slight change at a time. You are destabilizing the aircraft... it can get really hard to control after a slight CG change. If it begins to get hard to control as the fuel depletes, land immediately and move the CG forward 1/4 inch.

To test stall characteristics and to practice spin entry and recovery fly WAY UP HIGH! If its hard to get out of the spin, (normal rudder opposite isn't workng) turn ailerons and rudder INTO the spin with full down elevator and full power to convert to a spiral dive. (rudder input is momentary, then centered as soon as the plane changes path/rotation speed) If its had to get out of a spin... go back to the previous CG/aileron configuration. (if inverted spinning... elevator and rudder are reversed.)

FHH......I am not sure on your terminology. What exactly do you refer to when you mention the "washout" of the wing and what is your def of snapping into a spin on approach?? ??Rolling inverted when turning onto final??

By the way...It is very well possible that I have shifted the battery far back enough to induce a spin because I use double stick tape to hold the battery down, therefore a minor shift in the c/g +- 1/4 inch. I guess on that day I moved it way back towards the reciver moving my cg way towards the back of the plane. opps??

Washout is essentially a decrease in Angle of attack at the tip of the wings. This can be achieved by warping the wing a bit by retensioning the covera bit with aheat gun or iron, so that the trailing edge of the wing tip is about a 1/4 higher than the trailing edge at the root. A similar effect can be obtained by raising the ailerons (assuming strip ailerons) a bit.

A classic stall spin accident on approach to landing involves the aircraft stalling in an uncoordinated turn to final approach. Depending on the presence of a slip or skid, the the inside wing can stall resulting in a nose down spin entry before impact with the ground or the outside wing can stall resulting in an over the top entry into a spin, which again, due to the low altitude at which it occurs, usually results in the plane impacting the ground before the spin can fully develop.

I have tried almost everything to get my plane into a spin. I will have to try what you have said. I think my CG is on or slightly behind the CG mentioned on the instructions. I think I managed to do 1 spin once, but it pulled itself out. Just before it did the spin, I had full left/right rudder (I can't remember which) and full up elevator. The plane was doing really cool loops. The were half the size as usual and I was at half throttle the whole time. It was cool, but a spin would be cooler!

It cant hurt to mess around with things.....just be vigilante like fhhuber said " make little adjustments as to not over do it causing a major catastophe!!

The only thing I might do is move the CG back, but not to far! I wil try what you described before. I will let you know if it works. Thanks.

good luck...hope you come homw witha whole airplane!! Just remember altitude, quick thinkin, and luck. Any 2 of those is necessary for a good flight!!

Thanks. Everytime I do something new, I start out high up. Always remember that altitude is your friend.

can't disagree with that!! (experience speaking)