I live 20 miles from Lockheed Martin, so don't think I'm immune to the noise you are talking about. Lot's of times I go out to the base just to watch them do touch and goes.
You have a choice. It's a free country. You could move--that is, unless (as was mentioned earlier) we are talking about your PARENTS land.

BTW, it's 2 slow, not 2 fast--was that your way of flaming me? Because that's against the rules too.

Get those Russian T72's out of the yard they will leave you alone !!!

No ... no flame intended ... typo on my part.
... And, no ... my dad's 2,000 acres are in Midland, Tx ... the other end of I 20
I understand that full scale has the right of way... in case some of you happened to miss it ... or just decided to overlook it in english .. I was already in the air when they just showed up. They stayed within a 5 mile radius turning circles in formation (which they have NEVER done before) until I hit the ground ... and then they went on about their business playing over Jefferson and Kershaw like they normally do... and they were A10's ... not F16's. I'm all for the military just as much as anybody else ... but it kinda got my blood boiling when someone mentioned that they were just out on maneuvers to keep us free. I have news for you ... the A 10 is an obsolete aircraft. They were replaced by the Apache back in the mid 80's and by the early 90's, they were being phased out. They were being stripped and the turbines were being used to power the brand new (then) M1 Abrams tanks. It wasn't until Desert storm that they were brought back in to action because King George I was afraid that the Apache and its crews weren't experienced enough to be battle ready. (I think he just had an A10 fettish). 6 years ago when I moved out here, I would see them maybe once a month, and it stayed like that until last year when it jumped to 3 or 4 days / nights a week.
Now I know there's someone out there that's thinking " They're just flying those to train for the F16 or F22." Bull!! That's like driving a school bus to practice for a CDL to drive a tractor trailer.
I have nothing against the A10 ... I think it's an awesome piece of machinery ... but it has no place on a modern battlefield. The role of close air support has been handed to the Apache and well, face it ... there isn't much it can do air to air. Logicaly, all I can see going on is wasting fuel.
I have a sneaking suspicion this post will disappear now because I stepped on some AMA Lifer's toes for totally disregarding all the AMA rules by flying at my house, and going above their 400 ft cieling ... which, by the way, look at a Hi Start on Tower's page ... it advertises that it'll launch a 2M 500ft in the air. ... Well, now I suppose their gonna be sued for breaking AMA's ceiling.
Thanks are in order to those who actually answered my questions. The rest of you ... well ...
2 Slow ... once again, I apologize for typing your name wrong ...

what difference does all that make right of way is right of way and then there were the comments afterwards.somethings are just best left unsaid.

Typical. First off the Canadians that posted in here can go back to Canada with the dribble about what the military can do and can't do. Second it is Americans like you broke_n_bummin that are going to complain about two military pilots that are flying in the US airspace practicing for actual confrontations. These guys are out there putting their lives on the line everyday defending the very freedom that you enjoy. It galls me to no end when someone complains about the military inconveniencing our daily lives. How about going overseas where people don't enjoy these freedoms and suicide bombers wonder the street looking for a crowded coffee shop or such to take out as many people as possible. Only in America do you have the freedom to even make the comments you made, for if you somewhere else you may already have been placed in jail, flogged or perhaps executed for stating what you did. Shameful that you criticize the military like that because you feel you should have excusive rights to the air above your property.

I leave you with this quote from a Few Good Men...
Col. Jessep:
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Can you say "REDNECK"?

FYI, while we Canadians were thinking about our dribble... EIGHT of our soldiers lost their lives defending OUR freedom in Afganistan this past week...

A British newspaper had this to say about Canadians;
. . . Sunday Telegraph Article From today's UK wires: Salute to a brave and modest nation - Kevin Myers, The Sunday Telegraph LONDON -

Until the deaths of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan , probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian troops are deployed in the region. And as always, Canada will bury its dead, just as the rest of the world, as always will forget its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever does.

It seems that Canada 's historic mission is to come to the selfless aid both of its friends and of complete strangers, and then, once the crisis is over, to be well and truly ignored.

Canada is the perpetual wallflower that stands on the edge of the hall, waiting for someone to come and ask her for a dance. A fire breaks out, she risks life and limb to rescue her fellow dance-goers, and suffers serious injuries. But when the hall is repaired and the dancing resumes, there is Canada, the wallflower still, while those she once helped Glamorously cavort across the floor, blithely neglecting her yet again.

That is the price Canada pays for sharing the North American continent with the United States , and for being a selfless friend of Britain in two global conflicts. For much of the 20th century, Canada was torn in two different directions: It seemed to be a part of the old world, yet had an address in the new one, and that divided identity ensured that it never fully got the gratitude it deserved. Yet its purely voluntary contribution to the cause of freedom in two world wars was perhaps the greatest of any democracy.

Almost 10% of Canada 's entire population of seven million people served in the armed forces during the First World War, and nearly 60,000 died. The great Allied victories of 1918 were spearheaded by Canadian troops, perhaps the most capable soldiers in the entire British order of battle.

Canada was repaid for its enormous sacrifice by downright neglect, it's unique contribution to victory being absorbed into the popular Memory as somehow or other the work of the "British."

The Second World War provided a re-run. The Canadian navy began the war with a half dozen vessels, and ended up policing nearly half of the Atlantic against U-boat attack. More than 120 Canadian warships participated in the Normandy landings, during which 15,000 Canadian soldiers went ashore on D-Day alone. Canada finished the war with the third-largest navy and the fourth-largest air force in the world.

The world thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had the previous time. Canadian participation in the war was acknowledged in film only if it was necessary to give an American actor a part in a campaign in which the United States had clearly not participated - a touching scrupulousness which, of course, Hollywood has since abandoned, as it has any notion of a separate Canadian identity.

So it is a general rule that actors and filmmakers arriving in Hollywood keep their nationality - unless, that is, they are Canadian. Thus Mary Pickford, Walter Huston, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, William Shatner, Norman Jewison, David Cronenberg, Alex Trebek, Art Linkletter and Dan Aykroyd have in the popular perception become American, and Christopher Plummer, British.

It is as if, in the very act of becoming famous, a Canadian ceases to be Canadian, unless she is Margaret Atwood, who is as unshakably Canadian as a moose, or Celine Dion, for whom Canada has proved quite unable to find any takers.

Moreover, Canada is every bit as querulously alert to the achievements of it's sons and daughters as the rest of the world is completely unaware of them. The Canadians proudly say of themselves - and are unheard by anyone else - that 1% of the world's population has provided 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces. Canadian soldiers in the past half century have been the greatest peacekeepers on Earth - in 39 missions on UN mandates, and six on non-UN peacekeeping duties, from Vietnam to East Timor, from Sinai to Bosnia.

Yet the only foreign engagement that has entered the popular on-Canadian imagination was the sorry affair in Somalia , in which out-of-control paratroopers murdered two Somali infiltrators. Their regiment was then disbanded in disgrace - a uniquely Canadian act of self-abasement for which, naturally, the Canadians received no international credit.

So who today in the United States knows about the stoic and selfless friendship its northern neighbour has given it in Afghanistan? Rather like Cyrano de Bergerac , Canada repeatedly does honourable things for honourable motives, but instead of being thanked for it, it remains something of a figure of fun.

It is the Canadian way, for which Canadians should be proud, yet such honour comes at a high cost. This past year more grieving Canadian families knew that cost all too tragically well.

This thread is being closed down as the political overtones are becoming apperant, which is creating some hard feelings and un needed comments. Thanks Dave