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Old 06-07-2003, 11:52 PM
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Default What plane is this

Got this plane from a friend who got it from a friend.

I have no clue what plane this is??

Does anybody know ??

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Old 06-08-2003, 01:14 AM
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Default What plane is this

Sorry, something about it looks familiar, but I can't place it.

It does look like an older pattern plane, although the vertical surfaces look a little small. Is it .60 size?
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Old 06-08-2003, 02:07 AM
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Default What plane is this

sorry forgot to mention it is a 60 size
Old 06-08-2003, 11:49 AM
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Default What plane is this

The plane looks like it was based on an old Ed Kazmirski Taurus, built in the early 60's.

The wing looks the same but the fin/rudder is shorter than the original Taurus, and the Stab/elevator look smaller too.

I don't think that it's a Taurus, but it might be something similar, perhaps another Ed Kazmirsky design?

As I recall, Ed had two or three different designs, each one an improvement on the last one. Could this be one of them?

I'm just tryint to see if I can shake some cobwebs loose out there. I'd be curious too.

Just trying to stir the pot...

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Old 06-08-2003, 05:06 PM
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Default What Plane

It looks like it has a long, skinny canopy. If it does, it is probably one of the updated Kaoses that came out several years ago. There was the Chaos, the Utter Chaos and the Killer Chaos. Bridi sold the "Kaos" name with the "K" to Great Planes so all the clones used a "ch."
Old 06-08-2003, 07:23 PM
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My intial impression was Kaos type aircraft, but then I thought the tail was too small and the vertical stab not square enough. The wing fillets caused me to doubt it as well.
Old 06-08-2003, 07:47 PM
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Default What plane is this

I am going to call it a
'Mach I'
originally designed by Norm Page I believe. Kitted later.

It appears the stab has an elevator that is located between two tips that extend back to back edge.

The wing fillet looks very appropriate for that design.

Wing design (outline) also looks right.

Engine area contour looks right.

I built one from a kit and really loved the look of it and if flew well.

The fin and rudder look about right (can't be sure with the angle of the picture). If that fin has a noticeable 'slope' or 'rake' to it then that would be appropriate.

I think the Mach I had the tip of the verticle fin also extend back to the trailing edge of the rudder.

If there is a perfect plywood circle between the spinner and the engine area balsa that would be appropriate.

If you could take some additional pictures, especially with the wing off and looking into the radio compartment including the wing fillet, as well as a 'profile' shot it would help.
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Norm had a number of variations on the design but I believe this was his first that was kitted. This is the variation that I built.

Old 06-08-2003, 07:59 PM
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Default More on the Mach I

I recall it had a foam wing core and the stab also has a foam core and the stab had a beautiful symetrical airfoil shape.

The tail was a little long for planes at the time and the 'Mach I' was expected to fly fast and very smooth in patterns.

I believe it had three bolts with recessed heads to hold the wing in place. Two up front and one in the back.
Old 06-09-2003, 02:26 AM
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Default Bridi UFO

But here is a picture of a Bridi UFO. I think the stab has anhedral.
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Default What plane is this

Maybe a Dirty Birdy?
Old 06-09-2003, 06:29 PM
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Default Dirty Birdi might be right

I never realized how much that plane looked like the Mach I that I mentioned. The stab and rudder designs will probably determine the winner.

Look here for the red and white plane at the bottom of the picture that has two reddish colored planes.

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Old 06-10-2003, 03:35 AM
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Default What plane is this

I'm not sure now. The canopy configuration and shape of the vertical/rudder do not look like Norms Mach 1( to this day one of the best flyers I've ever had). But if the picture in the ARCS site is captioned correctly, then it sure aint a Dirty Birdi either. But it sure looks to be of Bridi lineage.
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Default What plane is this

Thanks for all your input. I will post some more detailed pictures tomorrow
Old 06-10-2003, 01:43 PM
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Here are some more pics
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Old 06-10-2003, 01:45 PM
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Old 06-10-2003, 01:51 PM
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Old 06-10-2003, 08:26 PM
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Default What plane is this

First I have to make an assumption that the plane is from a kit and is unmodified.

I am ruling out the 'Mach I' I suggested above. I pulled out the plans and the horizontal stabilizer does NOT have tips that extend back to the trailing edge of the elevator. The elevator extends out all the way to the end of the tips of the horizontal stabilizer.

The wing bolts for the 'Mach I' are different. On the 'Mach I' there are two recessed bolts in the front and one bolt in the back. The picture of the plane in question has two bolts in the back and I see no bolts in the front.

Also the leading edges of the wings on the 'Mach I' are almost (but not exactly) straight across from wingtip to wingtip and almost all of the taper is in the trailing edge of the wing.

If the stab is straight across (horizontal) then it rules out the Bridi UFO. The UFO had an anhedral horizontal stabilizer and elevator. There was a control horn on each half of the elevator.

The Dirty Birdi is still a contender. I believe the horizontal stabilizer does have the tips extending back to the trailing edge of the elevator and the horizontal stabilizer is really 'horizontal' The 'rake' of the verical stabilizer is similar.

The photos we need would be:

1) Picture from the top of the plane. Maybe stand the plane against a wall balanced on the nose and one wingtip. We need to see the sweep of the wing leading edges and trailing edges (the wingtip shape will show in this type photo as well) and the sweep of the stab leading edges and trailing edges.

2) A picture from the side of the plane (about wingtip level) that shows the contour of the fuselage and the design of the vertical stabilizer.

Also, does the horizontal stabilizer have an airfoil shape or is it just a flat surface?

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