Stephen Bess Break-In Method
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El Pirata..First off if you think im a kid thats awesome..I'll take that compliment...
Second...I HIGHLY doubt that your gettin 10+ gallons on Original internals running 300+ degrees with 10-12% oil. HIGHY DOUBT THAT! I actually own a property over in New Port news Beach, VA..Maybe next time im down there ill "hit you up" and you can show me one of these infamous 10+ gallon motors than ran above 300+ degrees from first fire.
El Pirata..First off if you think im a kid thats awesome..I'll take that compliment...
Second...I HIGHLY doubt that your gettin 10+ gallons on Original internals running 300+ degrees with 10-12% oil. HIGHY DOUBT THAT! I actually own a property over in New Port news Beach, VA..Maybe next time im down there ill "hit you up" and you can show me one of these infamous 10+ gallon motors than ran above 300+ degrees from first fire.
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Actually MOTOR is an accronym of Method Of Transport On Road. Also in the fatherland of engines they are indeed called Motors. So your statement is not correct.
As for the break in method. It works for Piccos but not on Hyper 21's or NR 421b's So I do not recommend deviating from the instructions that come with the engine/motor. Manufacturers test these systems and write instructions for a reason.
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Actually it's an ENGINE, motors are electrical and engines are internal combustion. I have never heard tale of anyone breaking in their engine in that fashion though. Personally I prefer a few full tanks of idle before I even think about running the engine with a load on it. It sounds more like this method is part of the impatient generation wanting thing their engine broken in as fast as possible. I have all the time in the world to get my engine broken in so how long it takes does not matter to me.
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questions about breaking in a motor.
questions about breaking in a motor.
As for the break in method. It works for Piccos but not on Hyper 21's or NR 421b's So I do not recommend deviating from the instructions that come with the engine/motor. Manufacturers test these systems and write instructions for a reason.
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How about fiting a 1/8th tow bar to your buggy and a caravan then try that jump again. It's the only thing in RC I haven't seen.
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is it time to break out the old engineer/programmer/hillbilly/lawyer/technician/electrician jokes? oh i hope not. things could get really heated and it could happen even faster.
on topic: ive been breaking my motors (aka engines for you engineers out there) in for quite some time using this "bess" method and have noticed much more power and run time since doing so. a front seal going bad before anything else? seems rare to me. other than that the ol' nova rossi P5 is still going strong with well over 7 gallons (closer to 8) on it. two times it didnt take first place in the 'A' main so, yes, its tuned for performance. and it has also had several trips up past the 300F mark with no hiccups yet. dont knock the proceedure before you try it. i was affraid to try it at first but now im glad i did.

on topic: ive been breaking my motors (aka engines for you engineers out there) in for quite some time using this "bess" method and have noticed much more power and run time since doing so. a front seal going bad before anything else? seems rare to me. other than that the ol' nova rossi P5 is still going strong with well over 7 gallons (closer to 8) on it. two times it didnt take first place in the 'A' main so, yes, its tuned for performance. and it has also had several trips up past the 300F mark with no hiccups yet. dont knock the proceedure before you try it. i was affraid to try it at first but now im glad i did.
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El Pirata..I dont wanna see a bashing session..I wanna see you race your car on a track for a 30-60 minute main at 300F+....See how many gallons you get through it then. I say 1..Place your bets here!
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AND BTW...EL PIRATA,, HOW do you manage to get your motor upto 300+ degrees during break in idling it? That is WAYYYYYY TOO LEAN IF YOUR JUST IDLING!! I dont believe a word you say from this point on! If your not open to trying something new that is PROVEN BY HUNDREDS OF INVOLVED RACERS, Than thats FINE. But dont go and post some BS like you just did!!!
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I must admit i didnt use the bess but I always get o.s. engines and they seem to have a very loose fit compared to the Rbs and what not so I dont think i really did too much damage. Infact I couldnt even drive the car until 2 tanks idle beacuse everytime i would hit the throttle alittle it would die(rich for break-in). It seemed the more fuel i ran through the stronger the engine got and this is without touching needle settings.
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As for the break in method. It works for Piccos but not on Hyper 21's or NR 421b's So I do not recommend deviating from the instructions that come with the engine/motor. Manufacturers test these systems and write instructions for a reason.
As for the break in method. It works for Piccos but not on Hyper 21's or NR 421b's So I do not recommend deviating from the instructions that come with the engine/motor. Manufacturers test these systems and write instructions for a reason.
all i got was a book of exploded diagrams, lokked like a bombing in a junkyard. Good cars though and it is an RTR so can't complain, most companies don't put instructions in with rtr's just tell you where to put the fuel
and it does come with CVD's on the front, just like cml AND the box says, just to let you know, grahama.
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El Pirata..I dont wanna see a bashing session..I wanna see you race your car on a track for a 30-60 minute main at 300F+....See how many gallons you get through it then. I say 1..Place your bets here!
El Pirata..I dont wanna see a bashing session..I wanna see you race your car on a track for a 30-60 minute main at 300F+....See how many gallons you get through it then. I say 1..Place your bets here!
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So why do you get bored? Is it waiting for the marshals to put you back on the track?
Also jumping gets boring after a while. Thats why I prefer to experiment with modifications to the rides, then see what they can do.
Also jumping gets boring after a while. Thats why I prefer to experiment with modifications to the rides, then see what they can do.
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Bashing got old real quick for me.. Especially when you think about all the wear and tear your doing to your entire cars, MOTORS, bearings, drivetrain components. Id rather do it on a track.
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as long as you're having fun. that's all that matters.
for me, racing takes it to the next level. You've concured engine tuning and you have the skills needed to fix your ride. When you go to the track, there is a whole new set of skills to learn (takes most years to master). Even after that, someone will always be better than you so it will never be boring.
just cause racing does it for me though doesn't mean bashing isn't fun for someone else.
for me, racing takes it to the next level. You've concured engine tuning and you have the skills needed to fix your ride. When you go to the track, there is a whole new set of skills to learn (takes most years to master). Even after that, someone will always be better than you so it will never be boring.
just cause racing does it for me though doesn't mean bashing isn't fun for someone else.
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Even after that, someone will always be better than you so it will never be boring.
Even after that, someone will always be better than you so it will never be boring.
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What if you're the world, euro, national, regional and club champion in every class of R/C
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Even after that, someone will always be better than you so it will never be boring.
Even after that, someone will always be better than you so it will never be boring.
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Then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Pretty hard to race in all classes in all the different countries at the same time. And how big would you pitbox be?
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lol. your pitbox would not be as big as your head im sure. anyone that could pull that off would definately be high on his/herself. but with good reason i guess. not that it'll ever happen, but im sure its been said that three consecutive laps with identical times (to the hundredth of a second) is almost impossible in offroad racing and ive seen it happen. to me thats impressive enough.
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lol. your pitbox would not be as big as your head im sure. anyone that could pull that off would definately be high on his/herself. but with good reason i guess. not that it'll ever happen, but im sure its been said that three consecutive laps with identical times (to the hundredth of a second) is almost impossible in offroad racing and ive seen it happen. to me thats impressive enough.



