Ok in your opinion what type of vechicle jumps better?

Nitro Offroad Truck

or

Nitro Buggy



Which one is faster?

Offroad Truck

or BUggy?

Obviously
buggy
and buggy,
thats a give in.

buggy wins b oth in my opinion, truck is just good for bashing, buggy is good for racing and bashing( witht the proper maxx size tires or 40 sireies size tires) because the buggy normally is too low for some bashing, but if you raise it's ground clearance with the tires you can go over more obstacles

Why are we comparing Truck and Buggy? Now Buggy and truggy is a better competition.

Basically MT's are bashers, and not track performers. they can jump very high, but buggies fly much further, and go faster as well. But the buggies lack the low end torque that the MT's have, which allows them to easily do back flips, and sometimes front flips(depending on if they have reverse, or good brakes)

It's a matter of whether you want to go higher, or further.

Higher: depends. usually buggy
Further:usually the buggy

Faster:Buggy

I can do front flips with my savage w/o reverse. Thats why I have the brakes.

MM... just don't talk please. I asked nicely.

Buggies are much more stable all around. In the air or on the ground buggies are extremly stable with a low center of gravity. The narrow tires actually give them more grip on dirt because they dig into the surface instead of those wide MT tires floating ontop of the dirt like pontoons. Buggies are all around much better handling.

The low end torque thing that MM brought up all depends on your engine, pipe, and gearing. That has nothing at all to do with it being an MT or a buggy.

For jumping.... hight and distance relys fully on the jump and your suspension setup. They can both jump just as high or as far as either... only the buggy will always be more stable.

Edit: It also depends on the terrain. MTs are more stable in rougher terrain as long as you have the suspension setup... the high ground clearance and the very long travel make them soak up the huge bumps. The buggy (again depending on suspension setup) will bottom out a lot more and get thrown off by very rough terrain. Very rough meaning like a construction site.

Super Dave, MT's most of the time have 2 speed trannies, and the 1st gear is geared low for tons of torque. A buggy is equipped with a 1speed, and it has to be geared low, like 11-12 tooth clutch bell, to get high torque. As well as an engine with fewer ports.

I don't even think they make an 11 tooth clutch bell?

Buggies jump much better then a Monster Trucks; Truggies on the other hand jump just as good as a buggy (basically they are a buggy).

i think buggies, since they're lighter they jump farther. thats only if your comparing mt's and buggys.

MM... go get an MT and take a buggy with a low end motor... like mine for instance with a Mach .26 and 13-t gearing. My buggy will blow away any monster truck off the line. Inluding my Mach .26 covenverted T-Maxx. The only reason why monster trucks need those 2 speeds is because of their weight... especially the weight of the tires. For these motors those huge tires make a lot of friction and resistance from that huge rotating mass of tire.

Of course you can make an MT acclerate harder off the line than a buggy but it depends on what your running. Generally any stock 1/8 buggies will have quicker acceleration than any stock MT.

Brake and throttle have a larger effect in the air with the MTs because of those huge tires as well especially if you hit 2nd gear in the air. When you hit the brake your stopping that much more tire giving you a faster nose dive effect... when you get on the throttle again that torque of the heavy tires will pull the front end up harder.

MM, you were doing well for a while with a couple of good posts, but last night it seems you had a nightmare. Stop guessing, and then supplying those guesses like you know what you are talking about.

I agree that truck and buggy is a poor comparison, they have totally different applications. Now to start with your post. First mistake, thinking trucks jump higher. Why do you think that? It's like the classic question, what's heavier, a ton of feathers or a ton of lead? It totally depends on the jump. If the jump is the same angle, then they will take off at the same angle. Simple physics, no? The lighter vehicle (and the one carrying more speed over the jump) will go higher and further. The extreme rotating mass of the drivetrain in a truck is what gives them such good poise control in the air, as super dave explained to you. Lastly, buggies lack low end torque??? What are you on about? The amount of torque comes from the motor. Put the same motor in a truck and a buggy, and see which one accelerates quicker (two speed or not).

Two mistakes out of two, again. Gear ratios don't provide torque, only the powerplant provides torque. Gear ratios provide drivetrain coefficients which provide more or less resistance to the torque applied from the motor. And where on earth do you get the idea that less ports is more torque? History has led us to believe this, but it's not necessarily true. The same thing is said in full scale cars, that 16v (4 cylinder) engines have more top end and 8v engines have more torque, this is not true either. Collari LC21B3 3 port, cannot match the torque of a ws7II (7 port), for example...and the mk2 VW Golf 1.8 16v GTi has more torque and hp than the 8v. Similarly to use a more modern example (VW again), the 1.8 8v turbo in the early mk4 golf GTi, cannot match the torque or hp provided by the later 20v turbo used in all Audi, Seat, Skoda and VW vehicles bearing the mark 1.8T (or 20vt in the case of the Seats).

Sorry to sidetrack, valid comparison I feel...

I'd like to see a truck do this...

http://rcvehicles.about.com/od/rcvid...xmainclip2.htm

foxy, see how big of an angle the jump is at?

Yeah, well the slapmafro guys managed to get their Savages on the roof of a school, and with a jump with a lesser angle.

I think i'll stop arguing now

Then you don't know anything about physics. It is so simple that even you should be able to understand. The only factors that determine how high and long a buggy or a truck comes after a jump is the velocity, the angle, the airresistance and the weight of the vehicle.

But maybe you are not at a school level where you have learned physics yet?

mm you should try not to be so obstinate. Especially about things that you obviously don't know anything about or understand.

1) I've seen those videos as well, they're on 'beatyourtruck.com'.

2) You've seen Josh Cyrul jump a house with his Kyosho. Do you think a truck woulda made it off the same ramp?

By the way, which DO you think is heavier, a ton of feathers or a ton of lead?

Oh, and by the way, that 77 foot buggy jump is off a standard flyover, the school jumping ramp was a curved ramp and it was at practically 75* where the cars were coming off it.

Foxy, A ton is a ton.

It just requires a lot more feathers to make a ton

OK. I kinda knew you weren't that stoopid, you had a bad night on the posts last night though. When you post, read through your messages three times, and when you see you've written something you're not sure about, delete it! Or at least, say 'I'm not sure but I think that...' I've told you this before, but you didn't listen then and to be honest, I'm not expecting you to listen now...Everybody's patience runs out sooner or later...a few people are already 'actively' ignoring you in case you hadn't noticed...at least I care enough to try to inform you...

I think a plane would jump farther...I mean look at how far they can go when you run them off a big jump...they seem like they just "fly" compared to buggies and trucks........lol...
C'mon Mayhem just do more and post less......then after REALLY doing things w/ your RC other than look at how pretty they are as you read every friggin mag article, maybe then you will have real knowledge.....you do realize we are telling you not to post simply because when you misinform someone on a site like this they may do what you tell them (hard to beleive seeing how you didn't do what people said to you) and if they screw it up what are you going to do??? help them fix it or pay for the damages caused by YOUR misleading someone....it's great that you want to help but if you are just screwing the recipe up, you should step away from the keyboard and go get real life experience w/ your mayhem....it's more fun to drive it than post crp about it......

It's broken.[:@] Screw snapped in the crankshaft

OK,
I'll bite...
HOW THA FUNK did you get a screw in your crankshaft????

Wait nevermind...I really don't want to know, nor do I care how it happened....

uhhh, that's what holds the clutch bell onto the engine man

Just an observation...

Of all the posts on this thread only 6, maybe 7 have to do with the origional topic. The rest is mostly people fighting with Mayhem.

Why?

and I'll ask again.....HOW DID YOU BREAK THAT SCREW?????
you have the most bizarre farout issues w/ your buggy.......seriously stamp collecting dude....


just wait til you read more from this guy...you'll understand.....