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R32GolfTA06 10-29-2013 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by wahoo (Post 11649985)

fast and skillful but looks messy.. I've never been a fan off fueled cars

R32GolfTA06 10-30-2013 03:56 AM


Originally Posted by ToraKitsu (Post 11649907)
Soft front, medium -stiff rear. That is the "default" for drift.

And no, you don't need anti-roll bars. At all. Since a little flex in the chassis is optimum, anti-roll bars just complicate tuning.

the anti roll kit was one of my most recent purchases, ok if it's not necessary ill set it up soft so it doesn't really do much, seems a shame not to use it after buying it and then it going to waste, but it's a little touch that looks nice all the same

the locked rear diff I out in last night totally transforms my ta06 :-)

ToraKitsu 10-30-2013 01:56 PM

I would say not to mount the anti-roll bars at all, but do as you like. You might find yourself removing them eventually. :)

A front one way will make a HUUUUGGGE difference! :)

R32GolfTA06 10-30-2013 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by ToraKitsu (Post 11650682)
I would say not to mount the anti-roll bars at all, but do as you like. You might find yourself removing them eventually. :)

A front one way will make a HUUUUGGGE difference! :)

what will the differences be with or without with the anti role? I'm looking forward to receiving my front one way too :-)

ToraKitsu 10-30-2013 03:38 PM

When you get your TA06 up and running, get with me. I have some adjustments for you to make. The reason I don't use anti-roll bars (I call them Swaybars - "anti-roll bars" takes a bit longer to type :) ), especially with CS chassis is, there is a set up that requires about 8 to 10 degrees caster, in conjunction with some negative camber, in the front wheels, to allow it to control the front end of the CS chassis better. With anti-roll bars, they eliminate the "sway" that that adjustment puts into the chassis. One can see this, when going from full lock to full lock of steering, The chassis will sway down, on the opposite side of the direction it is turning.
So, if you turn left, the right side of the chassis will drop, just a tiny bit, and conversely, turning right will cause the left side to drop. Anti-roll bars fight this effect, and will cause the steering to act as though that adjustment wasn't even there. A certain amount of flex is also a good thing in a CS drift chassis. Flex does a couple of things - if that adjustment is made to the steering, the flex allows the chassis to move with it, enhancing steering. Flex also works to allow the chassis to absorb irregularities in the road surface, so drifts are smoother.

Now, you don't want the chassis to flex like a limp noodle, but you don't want it stiff as a corpse, either. Just a little flex is sufficient. You can check this laterally, by lightly twisting the chassis by hand. if there is a little bit, just leave it.

R32GolfTA06 10-30-2013 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by ToraKitsu (Post 11650755)
When you get your TA06 up and running, get with me. I have some adjustments for you to make. The reason I don't use anti-roll bars (I call them Swaybars - "anti-roll bars" takes a bit longer to type :) ), especially with CS chassis is, there is a set up that requires about 8 to 10 degrees caster, in conjunction with some negative camber, in the front wheels, to allow it to control the front end of the CS chassis better. With anti-roll bars, they eliminate the "sway" that that adjustment puts into the chassis. One can see this, when going from full lock to full lock of steering, The chassis will sway down, on the opposite side of the direction it is turning.
So, if you turn left, the right side of the chassis will drop, just a tiny bit, and conversely, turning right will cause the left side to drop. Anti-roll bars fight this effect, and will cause the steering to act as though that adjustment wasn't even there. A certain amount of flex is also a good thing in a CS drift chassis. Flex does a couple of things - if that adjustment is made to the steering, the flex allows the chassis to move with it, enhancing steering. Flex also works to allow the chassis to absorb irregularities in the road surface, so drifts are smoother.

Now, you don't want the chassis to flex like a limp noodle, but you don't want it stiff as a corpse, either. Just a little flex is sufficient. You can check this laterally, by lightly twisting the chassis by hand. if there is a little bit, just leave it.

Thanks for that and it makes perfect sense, I will get back to you about this when I have all the bits on order installed and ready to use my car properly :-)

R32GolfTA06 10-30-2013 03:55 PM

I should have all my ordered parts with my either by this week or next week and it will be time to get serious with set up and using the car properly then

ToraKitsu 10-30-2013 05:28 PM

Can't wait to see it! I've seen all manner of TA06's, since they first came out, a couple of years ago, and am constantly amazed at the mods I see, and the ways the chassis is arranged. It's what makes the TA06 such a great chassis. It can be set up in a myriad of ways. You just have to have some imagination! :)

R32GolfTA06 10-31-2013 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by ToraKitsu (Post 11650850)
Can't wait to see it! I've seen all manner of TA06's, since they first came out, a couple of years ago, and am constantly amazed at the mods I see, and the ways the chassis is arranged. It's what makes the TA06 such a great chassis. It can be set up in a myriad of ways. You just have to have some imagination! :)

not long to wait, be patient my son :-)..dont be getting too excited, i wouldnt want to disappoint :-)

PS.. i much be the only Irish lad in here as no one has replied to my Irish thread!!

ToraKitsu 10-31-2013 11:24 AM

Have to give stuff like that some time. This forum isn't as busy as it used to be.

R32GolfTA06 10-31-2013 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by ToraKitsu (Post 11651404)
Have to give stuff like that some time. This forum isn't as busy as it used to be.

I wonder why it isn't as busy, lots of interesting stuff on here, but I guess the recession has affected some peoples luxury spending and can't afford the fun they may once have

ToraKitsu 10-31-2013 12:07 PM

There's that, plus certain disciplines in RC have ups and downs. On-road typically hasn't been as popular as off-road, so there wouldn't be as many piping up on on-road threads, and drift had enjoyed a resurgence about three, four years ago, and is now tapering off somewhat. If you has been here then, there would have been a lot of people to talk with.

R32GolfTA06 10-31-2013 12:13 PM

This things always come around again though so I'll stick with it and will be an awesome drifter in a year lol...its a shame there are a lack of proper drifting clubs in the UK.

ToraKitsu 10-31-2013 03:32 PM

That's pretty much a problem everywhere.

Even here, in the US, clubs came and went. There were a few dedicated tracks, but those are all gone, from what I can see. Why not go to your LHS, and see if they can gather up all the drifters they know (after all, drifters have to get spare parts), so you might have some support, there.

Really, all it takes is a small group, to agree to get together on specified days and drift. I'm the only one here, where I am, but make trips south to California from time to time. Otherwise, I practice in my garage.

R32GolfTA06 10-31-2013 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by ToraKitsu (Post 11651605)
That's pretty much a problem everywhere.

Even here, in the US, clubs came and went. There were a few dedicated tracks, but those are all gone, from what I can see. Why not go to your LHS, and see if they can gather up all the drifters they know (after all, drifters have to get spare parts), so you might have some support, there.

Really, all it takes is a small group, to agree to get together on specified days and drift. I'm the only one here, where I am, but make trips south to California from time to time. Otherwise, I practice in my garage.

What is an LHS? I do know there is a purpose built racing track close to where I am but it are just for racing tournaments.. I guess I could practice my drifting at this track if no one else is around, or go along on a race day and ask if anyone else is into drifting and try to obtain some contacts

R32GolfTA06 10-31-2013 04:12 PM

I wonder how different Aberdeen here in Scotland is to Aberdeen that is south west of you on the west coast :-) I have a friend moving to Cali in November for a job which he is pretty excited about

ToraKitsu 10-31-2013 06:18 PM

LHS = Local Hobby Shop.

Yah, sounds good about that track (makes sense to have a "grip" car, so you aren't left out of the fun!). They may know some drifters in your area. You might try and ask if they will allow some drift time if there are a few more like-minded and equipped folk that would like to do the same. It takes time and patience, like waiting for responses here! :)
Aberdeen here is wet. I doubt your Aberdeen is as rainy as it is here, especially around this time of the year. Still cold, though....

Yeah? Where in CA? north, central or southern? There ARE differences.

R32GolfTA06 10-31-2013 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by ToraKitsu (Post 11651730)
LHS = Local Hobby Shop.

Yah, sounds good about that track (makes sense to have a "grip" car, so you aren't left out of the fun!). They may know some drifters in your area. You might try and ask if they will allow some drift time if there are a few more like-minded and equipped folk that would like to do the same. It takes time and patience, like waiting for responses here! :)
Aberdeen here is wet. I doubt your Aberdeen is as rainy as it is here, especially around this time of the year. Still cold, though....

Yeah? Where in CA? north, central or southern? There ARE differences.

yea I will have to see if they will allow it, i could put an add on gumtree too and put the feelers out to see what response I get.

Aberdeen here can be cold and wet and very very windy...summeer temperature can be nice but winter temperatures are horrific, in the first two years I was living here ( I've been here for 4 years altogether) it snowed constantly from October to March and had consistent temps of minus 19 to minus 26 degrees Celsius... So pretty fresh loll

my friend will be living in either Palo Alto or Mountain View in the north of Cali, what are the differences between the north, south and Central areas of Cali?

ToraKitsu 11-01-2013 12:55 AM

Yah, I think that would be the best way, and who knows? There may be more drifters around than you might have thought! :)

I PM'ed you on CA.

R32GolfTA06 11-01-2013 07:25 AM

Today I have added blue alloy brake calipers and discs and a new pinion gear to my Ta06, yesterday i added an alloy servo saver horn and upgraded suspension and I'm still waiting for the new alloy wheels, new alloy body supports and front one way as well as the upgraded spur gear to arrive and then that'd be it completely finished :-)

ToraKitsu 11-01-2013 08:54 AM

As always, post pics, when you finish! :)

R32GolfTA06 11-01-2013 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by ToraKitsu (Post 11652118)
As always, post pics, when you finish! :)

i will :-), are you working on anything over the last few days?

ToraKitsu 11-01-2013 11:18 AM

As it happens, I was working on a few M05 option parts that came in yesterday, (just doing primary assembly for those particular parts, I have to wait till Monday to pick up the M05 kit), and will post pics of the finished M05, when it gets done, in the "revisiting the "M" class" thread. Otherwise, I just got done CS'ing my Losi JRXS-R this AM! It worked! :) It's a low ratio - about 1.33 - 1.34 or so, but in conjunction with the different rear tires, it should do well. I'll test it tonight, in my garage. The great thing is, I only swapped out one pulley - the one on the rear locked diff, but was able to use the stock belt. I just had to use a couple of 630 bearings (that was in the order that came yesterday) and make a tensioner, but it all came together surprisingly easily! No extra work was needed. I'm pretty pleased. :)

R32GolfTA06 11-01-2013 11:41 AM

There cool, I'll have to look that chassis up as I'm not familiar with it. What is involved in making you town tensioner? That's reminds me I also ordered a alloy belt tensioner for the ta06 which is also on its way.. I look your advice and didn't bother putting the anti roll bars on.. J

R32GolfTA06 11-01-2013 11:43 AM

In reality how different are all the different chassis side by side... Some of them are very expensive and some quite affordable but in reality what is the difference?


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