Liquid cooled touring car
02-07-2007, 08:54 AM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
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As long as it acctually does work I don't have a prob with it. I realize about the 1:1 car thing as I do not have a VW lol. If the pump moves it fast enough it doesn't seem like it would spend enough time in the radiator to exchange enough heat. Looking at the rate water streams out of my boat it just seems like it would be too fast then. But if it works hey why not. Also do you know what kind of "special fluid" it is? Some things you may want to check out is brush cooling (kyosho made a kit) and the water jacket for the super vee.. It's not a coil but a sleeve that fits over it, and it doesn't seem as bulky as a coil. Check out the first few products on this page http://offshoreelectrics.com/MainPage.htm
As long as it acctually does work I don't have a prob with it. I realize about the 1:1 car thing as I do not have a VW lol. If the pump moves it fast enough it doesn't seem like it would spend enough time in the radiator to exchange enough heat. Looking at the rate water streams out of my boat it just seems like it would be too fast then. But if it works hey why not. Also do you know what kind of "special fluid" it is? Some things you may want to check out is brush cooling (kyosho made a kit) and the water jacket for the super vee.. It's not a coil but a sleeve that fits over it, and it doesn't seem as bulky as a coil. Check out the first few products on this page http://offshoreelectrics.com/MainPage.htm
02-07-2007, 09:03 AM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
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i don't think it conducts heat very well... a better idea would probably be getting some cheap motor heatsink and brazing tubing onto the surface
i don't think it conducts heat very well... a better idea would probably be getting some cheap motor heatsink and brazing tubing onto the surface
https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=3325
02-07-2007, 10:09 AM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
Doesn't seem to be implemented well....but it may help with ultra-hot brushless motors. I can't see it being very useful in a typical race car...the weight to performance penalty rules it out. You'd be better off with a nice copper heat sink.
02-07-2007, 02:27 PM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
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Here is what Ihave for contact.
http://www.tcscooling.com/
They have almost no information on this on their web site.
Here are a couple of photos on installation.
http://www.tcscooling.com/installation.html
On the 1/8 and 1/5 scale onraod cars I did I did almost teh same thing as you will see in the top right photo. I just cut the bumper to flow the air into the raid. I also did open the front of the body and covered the hole with screen. The inlet hole dose not need to be very big. So start small and go larger till you get what you want. The cars I build were for clients of mine. I do not publish their cars without permission. I will email one of them an see if they will give permission. I have never worked on a TA05 so Icannot give any information on how it would work on that chassis. The 1/5 scale car I did got 2 radiators and fans to provide even more air flow. I dont think the fans were needed but it worked very nicely.
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I would rather like to see a motor cooling clamp instead of the manifold but if RURC says it's good I believe him too because I have read most of his posts and he seems like a very smart and experienced guy. He sure gives lots of info in his posts.
Thanks RURC.
And RURC:
Have you got any pictures or ideas how to mount it on a TA05 ? Specially the radiator because I realy like the way it's done on the picture in my first post but I dont see how it's done with the bumper. Is that bumper cut in two ? Do you know a website with more information about this product - I sure can't find any -
Thanks for your help.
I would rather like to see a motor cooling clamp instead of the manifold but if RURC says it's good I believe him too because I have read most of his posts and he seems like a very smart and experienced guy. He sure gives lots of info in his posts.
Thanks RURC.
And RURC:
Have you got any pictures or ideas how to mount it on a TA05 ? Specially the radiator because I realy like the way it's done on the picture in my first post but I dont see how it's done with the bumper. Is that bumper cut in two ? Do you know a website with more information about this product - I sure can't find any -
Thanks for your help.
http://www.tcscooling.com/
They have almost no information on this on their web site.
Here are a couple of photos on installation.
http://www.tcscooling.com/installation.html
On the 1/8 and 1/5 scale onraod cars I did I did almost teh same thing as you will see in the top right photo. I just cut the bumper to flow the air into the raid. I also did open the front of the body and covered the hole with screen. The inlet hole dose not need to be very big. So start small and go larger till you get what you want. The cars I build were for clients of mine. I do not publish their cars without permission. I will email one of them an see if they will give permission. I have never worked on a TA05 so Icannot give any information on how it would work on that chassis. The 1/5 scale car I did got 2 radiators and fans to provide even more air flow. I dont think the fans were needed but it worked very nicely.
Thanks RURC,
I couldn't find that website myself , neat. By the looks of it , I will mount it in front on the bumper. That looks safe enough for impacts. That side mounting option isn't a real option sice it will be just begging for a side collision.
Those 1/5 cars you are talking about are those FG or similar brand. Did you work with a Zenoah "the pump" engine or are they electric 1/5 scale like the one from H.A.R.M. the EP1 ?
I f you can get permission to post those pictures , please do it , they can be very helpfull.
Thanks again.
02-07-2007, 11:13 PM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
The 1/5 ones I have done have been converted gas cars. FG, HARM, even 2 HPI Baja 5 buggies. The electric HARM and others are insanely expensive. It is cheaper to convert then to buy them and build for the most part. I do have 3 of the Lauterbacher ones coming in though. Very nice and less than $1000 USD. Here are some photos.>:
This one is shows how they do the batteries but I will be useing lipos
They should prove out to be nice.
This one is shows how they do the batteries but I will be useing lipos
They should prove out to be nice.
02-08-2007, 12:20 AM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
for thermal paste, don't get artic silver. The stuff is crap compared to zalman's paste. It has been proven in reviews that the zalman paste can lower the temperature of a CPU under full load a full 8 degrees celcius!!!!
02-08-2007, 08:43 AM
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Yes RURC, those big cars are expensive. I once had a Lauterbacher X Supercross 1/6 off-road and a Lauterbacher L3 on-road car both gas. Sold them 2 years ago because to expensive to drive . Those batteries aren't cheap either in my opinion , because you need so many of them. But I do like the idea to convert to electric , IMO that's the future of RC cars.
I just love how fast things evolve in the electric world , amazing performance and run times with brushless. I have 5 brushless cars myself and I just love them.
I just love how fast things evolve in the electric world , amazing performance and run times with brushless. I have 5 brushless cars myself and I just love them.
02-08-2007, 09:04 AM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
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for thermal paste, don't get artic silver. The stuff is crap compared to zalman's paste. It has been proven in reviews that the zalman paste can lower the temperature of a CPU under full load a full 8 degrees celcius!!!!
for thermal paste, don't get artic silver. The stuff is crap compared to zalman's paste. It has been proven in reviews that the zalman paste can lower the temperature of a CPU under full load a full 8 degrees celcius!!!!
02-08-2007, 03:41 PM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
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The ceramique I linked to is pretty good though (I use it myself). Perhaps Zalman's is better (love their wacky sink designs), but either way it will help in an RC car cooling application like this.
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for thermal paste, don't get artic silver. The stuff is crap compared to zalman's paste. It has been proven in reviews that the zalman paste can lower the temperature of a CPU under full load a full 8 degrees celcius!!!!
for thermal paste, don't get artic silver. The stuff is crap compared to zalman's paste. It has been proven in reviews that the zalman paste can lower the temperature of a CPU under full load a full 8 degrees celcius!!!!
02-08-2007, 04:58 PM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
i seriously call bs on the 8C cooler. In all my years of computer cooling there has't been a jump like that ever. I have at last 10 different kinds of thermal paste i've tested, all the way back to the first artic silver.
If your talking about that "new" zalman super paste(zm-stg1, yeah i remember the name.im taht geeky) , its good but not 8C good... at most its about 1-3C cooler than AC5. not bashing zalman i have a couple of they're stuff and love them.
in terms of cooling I rank: 1. zalman 2. AC5 3. ceramique. #2 and #3 are like 1-2C different, I recommend the zalman or ceramique, both much easier to clean than AC5. and nonconductive incase it touches the motor terminals
If your talking about that "new" zalman super paste(zm-stg1, yeah i remember the name.im taht geeky) , its good but not 8C good... at most its about 1-3C cooler than AC5. not bashing zalman i have a couple of they're stuff and love them.
in terms of cooling I rank: 1. zalman 2. AC5 3. ceramique. #2 and #3 are like 1-2C different, I recommend the zalman or ceramique, both much easier to clean than AC5. and nonconductive incase it touches the motor terminals
02-08-2007, 08:32 PM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
well here's the article where I heard the 8C thing: http://www.bcchardware.com/index.php...2688&Itemid=40
I mean when some guys on the computer forum told me about it, I said BS too. But I really think it's that good.
I mean when some guys on the computer forum told me about it, I said BS too. But I really think it's that good.
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
not familiar with that site. here 3 reviews that got similar results to what i got when i tested it
http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/zal...ase/index3.php
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=464520
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=278
http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/zal...ase/index3.php
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=464520
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=278
02-09-2007, 12:13 AM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
I used to run AS all the time... but some time you have to cut the CRAP and say "$10??? Why am I spending $10 on AS when I can use normal thermal compound and not be that much different?" To a non-overclocker, AS is overrated.
02-13-2007, 06:58 AM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
The system came in the mail today ;-)
I must say I'm amazed by the parts quality of the TCS system. The parts are really high quality aluminum components. I was affraid the radiator would be fragile but it's not , not at all. It feels very durable and will survive impacts I'm sure. There are two bottles of coolant included in the box wich is nice. The manual is clear and features a few mounting sugestions too. It also comes with two decal sheets with very nice TCS decals.
The pump -when activated- blinks a very high-Tech bleu LED , wich gives your car that ultra modern look and indicates a good working system.
Also two long motor screws are included so you are able to mount the motor plate inbetween the can and your motor plate.
Here are the pictures :
I must say I'm amazed by the parts quality of the TCS system. The parts are really high quality aluminum components. I was affraid the radiator would be fragile but it's not , not at all. It feels very durable and will survive impacts I'm sure. There are two bottles of coolant included in the box wich is nice. The manual is clear and features a few mounting sugestions too. It also comes with two decal sheets with very nice TCS decals.
The pump -when activated- blinks a very high-Tech bleu LED , wich gives your car that ultra modern look and indicates a good working system.
Also two long motor screws are included so you are able to mount the motor plate inbetween the can and your motor plate.
Here are the pictures :
02-13-2007, 07:49 AM
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It looks like you got a early release one with the straight ends off the raidator. I have one that was preproduction that has the straight connections. But the last one I got had angled connections. I hope you like it.
02-13-2007, 12:33 PM
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It looks like you got a early release one with the straight ends off the raidator. I have one that was preproduction that has the straight connections. But the last one I got had angled connections. I hope you like it.
It looks like you got a early release one with the straight ends off the raidator. I have one that was preproduction that has the straight connections. But the last one I got had angled connections. I hope you like it.
Can you show us some pictures of your systems please. Mine is the brushed one but the seller says there is no difference between the two except for the price ? Funny isn't it. Where do you buy yours ?
Thanks.
02-14-2007, 08:25 AM
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I got mine direct from TTech. I got them for customer cars. I dont have one on any of my personal cars. However I am going to put one on the next project car. It is a 1/7 off road buggy. I will run a thread on it when I start it. As far as a difference I dont know at all. All I got was the brushless ones. I have never seen a brushed one. Sorry.
02-14-2007, 11:02 AM
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I got mine direct from TTech. I got them for customer cars. I dont have one on any of my personal cars. However I am going to put one on the next project car. It is a 1/7 off road buggy. I will run a thread on it when I start it. As far as a difference I dont know at all. All I got was the brushless ones. I have never seen a brushed one. Sorry.
I got mine direct from TTech. I got them for customer cars. I dont have one on any of my personal cars. However I am going to put one on the next project car. It is a 1/7 off road buggy. I will run a thread on it when I start it. As far as a difference I dont know at all. All I got was the brushless ones. I have never seen a brushed one. Sorry.
I installed the TCS on my TA05 and seems to work good , I don't think the pump is pushing the water to fast , it's slow enough to give it time to cool down I think. I can't see the coolant flow thrue the tubes ( I installed transparant silicon tubes ) I'm just guessing. I'll post some pictures soon.
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
actually , if its flowing slow enough to let it cool down in the first place, then its also slow enough for it to heat up at the other end... and well, once the water is heated , its not going to cool anything anymore, until its been cooled off again in the radiator, so the outgoing end of the waterblock will be warmer than the incoming end...
so you want the water to be pumped as fast around as possible, so that the temperature is as even as possible throughout the system...
bout time we had a liquid cooled RC car , tho!
how much weight does it add to a 1/10 onroad car?is it pretty severe with the pump and all the liquid...
so you want the water to be pumped as fast around as possible, so that the temperature is as even as possible throughout the system...
bout time we had a liquid cooled RC car , tho!
how much weight does it add to a 1/10 onroad car?is it pretty severe with the pump and all the liquid...
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
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actually , if its flowing slow enough to let it cool down in the first place, then its also slow enough for it to heat up at the other end... and well, once the water is heated , its not going to cool anything anymore, until its been cooled off again in the radiator, so the outgoing end of the waterblock will be warmer than the incoming end...
so you want the water to be pumped as fast around as possible, so that the temperature is as even as possible throughout the system...
bout time we had a liquid cooled RC car , tho!
how much weight does it add to a 1/10 onroad car?is it pretty severe with the pump and all the liquid...
actually , if its flowing slow enough to let it cool down in the first place, then its also slow enough for it to heat up at the other end... and well, once the water is heated , its not going to cool anything anymore, until its been cooled off again in the radiator, so the outgoing end of the waterblock will be warmer than the incoming end...
so you want the water to be pumped as fast around as possible, so that the temperature is as even as possible throughout the system...
bout time we had a liquid cooled RC car , tho!
how much weight does it add to a 1/10 onroad car?is it pretty severe with the pump and all the liquid...
02-18-2007, 09:40 PM
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I was talking to the designer of the TCS the other day and I was informed that the brushless one also comes with the colling block that goes on the esc. It is sized to fit the LRP and the Novak which means it will also fit the Mamba Max.
02-18-2007, 11:02 PM
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RE: Liquid cooled touring car
cool concept there are many ways to have fun in R/C one shouldn't limit themselves. You can love the performance, looks, ideas, whatever... some of you guys sound like RC puritans haha
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I was talking to the designer of the TCS the other day and I was informed that the brushless one also comes with the colling block that goes on the esc. It is sized to fit the LRP and the Novak which means it will also fit the Mamba Max.
I was talking to the designer of the TCS the other day and I was informed that the brushless one also comes with the colling block that goes on the esc. It is sized to fit the LRP and the Novak which means it will also fit the Mamba Max.