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eyecare 03-20-2007 09:12 AM

RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies
 
Thank you Michael, for your effort in responding. ......... I will adjust the CG and experament with the results.


............... Gene

FSOneDev 03-20-2007 06:56 PM

RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies
 


ORIGINAL: mullenc525

Disabling on board sound has allowed me to fly the funtana 40 for example which caused me to crash instantly before. The FPS has not changed on the other aircraft.

Now there is another problem though. When I attempt to fly a heli, I press Fly, the sim pauses for a moment as if beginning to load, then the aircraft continues spinning around in 3D view etc. as if I had not done anything. When I attempted to fly a training session, it began loading but then returned to the pre-flight menu before loading. It did not crash my computer or the program, but these flights just would not load. Interestingly I could load the training sessions before disabling on board sound, but they would just crash as soon as I began.
Sometimes, when there is a problem, the sim can catch it and not crash to the desktop. However, many times when this occurs -- such as when the sim pauses for a moment as if beginning to load, and then the aircraft continues spinning around in 3D view, as you report -- the sim cannot fully recover. When you see this occur, it's best to exit from the sim and then simply restart the sim. After restarting the sim, can you then fly a lesson as you did previously?

However, FS One does expect a computer to have a sound card, so if no sound card is present (such as when it is disabled), that in itself may cause a problem. It's hard to say what will happen is every case with all of the many variations of hardware.

We have received a few reports about issues with Realtek or SB Audigy sound cards. In some cases, getting an updated driver fixes things. In other cases, reducing the sound acceleration can provide a fix. We've been looking into this problem now for months and are trying to come up with a work around for these driver issues with a fix in our software. However, we do know of issues with other computer games that have problems with each of these cards -- the intersting thing is that Microsoft indicated that the sound drivers were not up to spec (in some cases) and recommended reducing sound acceleration, just as we have recommended. In any case, we're still looking for a better fix.

Try to find an updated driver, if at all possible. It is quite likely that a driver fix will fix your problem. Most problems like this come down to a driver issue.

Albatross1 03-20-2007 10:47 PM

RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies
 
Hi Mullenc525,

Rather than just checking with Asus, you might check the Realtek website directly for the latest drivers (this is the link to the site I used: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&GetDown=false). For what it's worth, the driver I downloaded was from Mar/Sept 2007and my computer dates back to 2004...so you may have something later available? I also checked that the bios was latest and updated the video card driver.

Good luck,
Dave

Albatross1 03-20-2007 10:57 PM

RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies
 
PS, even with the updated driver, I had to turn down hardware acceleration to one less than maximum. Regardless of what I set hardware accel to, though, I can't actually hear or see any difference in the FS One program (or other programs). I also varied the sampling down to minimum andworked it up step by step its max setting.

For what it's worth, if your ISP is Shaw or Telus, they both offer 'free' security programs built into their basic monthly ISP fees....but you have to go get the files. I'm not sure how good or safe they are.

cheers.

brazz 03-20-2007 11:45 PM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 

ORIGINAL: shakes268

On the subject of photo fields again. I followed the FAQ directions and well...can't get any of it to work. The panorama works fine in G3, in FS One I get a white world and no Icon files are rendered in the UI when selecting a field.

I know this isn't supported so if anyone else is trying to setup their own field I'd love to collaborate some on this.

Hi Shakes

It has been some time since the FAQ came out and I could actually experiment a bit with the pano fields. Well, I had the same problem as you with the result being a white world, although I tried to save my images down with 24-bit colour depth. I'm not saying that this is the definitive way, but the only way to get it to work properly was to save the images down as .dds files. There is a plugin available at [link=http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=4816]http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=4816[/link] which enables Gimp to read and save .dds files. When saving, make sure you select DXT1 as the compression and leave all other options as default and unticked, else your white world will be back.

I've made my first successful pano of our little airfield. There is still some cleanup work to do higher up in the sky and close to the tripod, but it looks very good in FS One so far. I do see a problem so far as the perspective of the aircraft and the scenery does not corelate properly when the aircraft moves away from the viewer - the aircraft gets smaller too quickly relative to the position on the scenery where I see it.

I first thought it had something to do with the focal length of the lens with which I took the panorama (46mm in this case), but this can't be a problem if the end result has a width of 8192 and height of 4096. All that I can think of now is that the horizon of my panorama is below (or above?) the horizontal center line of the panorama. I made sure that my camera was 6 feet from the ground.

I will shift the horizon around a bit to see what effect it has in the sim.


Regards

mullenc525 03-21-2007 12:13 AM

RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies
 
Thanks for your help Albatross1. Do you mean you turned down the hardware acceleration for your sound or video? I sucessfully installed the latest Realtek driver, but the sim is still crashing. I know how to adjust the video hardware acceleration but not the sound.

Where do you fly? I used to fly at the North Vancouver Field but I believe they have closed, and now I am looking to get back in I am looking for a new field.

MSelig 03-21-2007 12:47 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 


ORIGINAL: brazz
<snip>...
Well, I had the same problem as you with the result being a white world, although I tried to save my images down with 24-bit colour depth.
... <snip>
If you want to use the tga's (instead of the dds files), then save the tga's uncompressed. Usually ... in the options/preferences area of your photo editor there will be a setting to turn off compression when saving tga's.

~~~~

The illusion you're getting w/ the plane not looking right on the ground is indeed due to the horizon being in the wrong place (too high or too low) in your image. It's not a function of your camera --- a spherical panorama is a spherical panorama. So it is a ground elevation/horizon issue.

The pano image codes usually have a way to set the horizon. BTW - AutoStitch is a nice code for painlessly getting panos, but I don't know if it allows the user to tweak the horizon.
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/autostitch/autostitch.html

Michael

brazz 03-21-2007 12:56 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 


ORIGINAL: MSelig



ORIGINAL: brazz
<snip>...
Well, I had the same problem as you with the result being a white world, although I tried to save my images down with 24-bit colour depth.
... <snip>
If you want to use the tga's (instead of the dds files), then save the tga's uncompressed. Usually ... in the options/preferences area of your photo editor there will be a setting to turn off compression when saving tga's.

~~~~

The illusion you're getting w/ the plane not looking right on the ground is indeed due to the horizon being in the wrong place (too high or too low) in your image. It's not a function of your camera --- a spherical panorama is a spherical panorama. So it is a ground elevation/horizon issue.

The pano image codes usually have a way to set the horizon. BTW - AutoStitch is a nice code for painlessly getting panos, but I don't know if it allows the user to tweak the horizon.
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/autostitch/autostitch.html

Michael

Hi Michael

Yes, my problem was indeed due to the horizon being too HIGH in my first pano. I lowered it to the correct position and the perspective seems spot on now (I took the Funtana 90 and parked it where there was a real one parked two weeks ago - looked perfectly sized). I also placed the sun in the correct position. Now the aircraft shadows match the scenery shadows. Lovely!

I have some problems with the picture quality of my sky (not enough cloud cover on the day to get a good, stitchable sky pano), so I'm borrowing one of FS One's nice sky panos.

Thanks for the help!

Regards

MSelig 03-21-2007 01:24 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
Brazz -

Thanks for the update and also thanks for testing out the Pano FAQ - Glad to hear that you had success!

Michael

Quinoa 03-22-2007 10:18 AM

RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies
 
If I buy now FS one must I install all of these patches? Or they are just for old software?

sjc115 03-22-2007 11:51 AM

RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies
 


ORIGINAL: Quinoa

If I buy now FS one must I install all of these patches? Or they are just for old software?
It depends on how long the box has been on the retailers shelf. I just bought my copy recently and it was version 1.01. No big deal, just download the 1.04 patch and install it (it only takes a couple of minutes).

There is another patch coming out this week (hopefully), so no matter what you will need to download a patch and install it if you want all the current up to date features. This is common for all the simulators, don't let downloading a patch stop you from buying one. A sim is the best investment you can make, IMHO.



hobiecatlob 03-22-2007 02:04 PM

RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies
 
When do we expect to see some new places released for FS One? I am pretty sure I read on this thread that there were some being developed. Anyone know the ETA for this and how many planes will be released? Will there be a cost for upgrading?

Thanks.

FSOneDev 03-22-2007 08:45 PM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
Version 1.0.5 Patch Available

The FS One version 1.0.5 patch is now available [link=http://www.inertiasoft.com/support.html]here[/link].

This patch corrects a number of issues and adds a few new features, including a new logbook interface.

Based on user feedback, we are now going to take an approach of releasing smaller patches more frequently (rather than larger patches less frequently). As a result, we expect to have the next patch ready within two weeks. We will be addressing many of the issues raised by users recently (we've added many of your comments, suggestions, and requests to our "to do" list), so if you don't see a fix for a particular issue, you may see it fixed in one of the next few patches.

Albatross1 03-22-2007 10:22 PM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
Hi Mullenc,

I adjusted the audio hardware acceleration, initially to the lowest setting to get things to work and then I stepped it up a notch or 2 until things crashed again, then backed off 1 from there. The final setting was 1 down from the top. You can make this adjustment in Control Panel/Sound or Audio Settings/Audio (or Hardware?) /Advanced/just slide the slider to left. Below that, there's also a sampling setting. I didn't change any video settings at all. I still don't understand why audio settings affect the video program but it doesn't matter as long as it works. Hopefully the new patch eliminates all this anyways.

I don't actually fly anywhere yet. FS One is my baby steps then I'll probably fly in Delta (Delta Flyers) or Surrey (RCFCBC). There's also a club at Burnaby Lake. I mostly want to fly sailplanes though and none of these sites really has any of that going on from what I can see so I may just have to find a good open hill near the water.

cheers,
Dave

Robotech 03-22-2007 10:51 PM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
I've had FS One for a few days now and I have to say I love it.

I am having one perplexing problem though. I set up two of my TX's on it. A Hitec 4 channel and my Futaba 9CAP. The hitec was a breeze but I have run into a problem with the 9CAP. All of the Axis assignments are correct, the D/R and switches are correct but for some reason I cannot get the engine/prop to do anything but spin slowly. If I hit the "J" button on the KB it will momentarily start the engine then quickly go back to a slow spin. It reacts to the throttle stick movement but only from a dead stop to a slow spin like the engine won't start. ( maybe a DA 100 problem ;) ) I have callibrated it several times and all the sliders are centered and I get full movement of the slider with the throttle stick. Also when I view the servo in the TX editor the arm is moving the full range. I have also deleted the configuration file for the controller several times and started from scratch but it always ends up the same.

I am making do with the Hitec 4ch but I would really rather use my 9CAP as this is the TX I use for my "real" planes.

I find that the Edge 540 flies pretty true to it's real counterpart which I own ( see Avatar ). Especially after loading the new .cfg files available from FS One. You guys at FS One are doing one heck of a job and are to be highly commended.

Any thoughts or ideas on the throttle problem?

Thanks.

MSelig 03-23-2007 12:34 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 


ORIGINAL: Robotech

I've had FS One for a few days now and I have to say I love it.

I am having one perplexing problem though. I set up two of my TX's on it. A Hitec 4 channel and my Futaba 9CAP. The hitec was a breeze but I have run into a problem with the 9CAP. All of the Axis assignments are correct, the D/R and switches are correct but for some reason I cannot get the engine/prop to do anything but spin slowly. If I hit the "J" button on the KB it will momentarily start the engine then quickly go back to a slow spin. It reacts to the throttle stick movement but only from a dead stop to a slow spin like the engine won't start. ( maybe a DA 100 problem ;) ) I have callibrated it several times and all the sliders are centered and I get full movement of the slider with the throttle stick. Also when I view the servo in the TX editor the arm is moving the full range. I have also deleted the configuration file for the controller several times and started from scratch but it always ends up the same.

I am making do with the Hitec 4ch but I would really rather use my 9CAP as this is the TX I use for my "real" planes.

I find that the Edge 540 flies pretty true to it's real counterpart which I own ( see Avatar ). Especially after loading the new .cfg files available from FS One. You guys at FS One are doing one heck of a job and are to be highly commended.

Any thoughts or ideas on the throttle problem?

Thanks.
We have an FAQ on setting up the 9CAP here:
http://www.inertiasoft.com/fsonefaq/#Q1028-FS1

Does this help/get you going? You've described the problem well, and it is weird that it's not working. Let me know if you still have problems.

Also, the feedback on the tweaked Edge 540 is very helpful. I couple of people got me thinking about some changes, but I've not heard back from anyone on the tweaks until now. Anyone else own the H9 Edge 540 and have experience w/ hovering and try out the new .cfg file in the sim?

Michael


Robotech 03-23-2007 01:32 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
That is in fact the FAQ I used to set up the 9CAP. As I indicated earlier the sliders move all the way right and left for throttle when you move the stick at the first transmitter display and in the editor itself. The servo graphic at the extreme right hand side of the editor moves the full travel also. The stick has an effect on the throttle when you are " at the field ' but it is stopped at the lowest stick position and only barely spinning at the uppermost stick position. When I have the airplane inset pulled up in the transmitter editor the sticks do not cause the prop to move at all. Weird.

The realism of the Edge is very, very good but would be easier to evaluate if I could use my 9CAP. Maybe I will delete it again ( the 9CAP ) and start from scratch but I've done so several times and I feel as though I must be missing something simple somewhere. Do I need to have the frequecy module plugged in. I removed it so that I wouldn't have to extend the antenna and to conserve battery power. All the other control surfaces move correctly to their extremes though.

BTW. Your effort, professionalism, ability and dedication to solving problems for end users and your desire to improve the product is very much appreciated by 99.9 % of the posters here. I guess those .1% of posters make it necessary for you to have a thick hide. I might have launched a few missles at them by now. [:@]

Thanks again.

Robert


Robotech 03-23-2007 01:53 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
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If it might help these are screen shots of the xmitter editor. I was incorrect in my last post when I said the throttle has no effect on the plane in the " Show AC " inset. It behaves in the same was that it does " At the Field "

I deleted the setup, recreated it and recalibrated. Same result.

Pic 1, 2 and 3 are with the stick centered. Pic 4 and 5 are throttle stick up and down.

Thanks again.


sctholson 03-23-2007 06:48 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
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Hi All,
I'm working on a new pano and the FAQ suggests several file formats for the tiles. One of which is dds. My Photoshop CS2 doesn't come with the ability to save a dds, so I found a Photoshop plug in at the Nvidia website. I downloaded it and installed it. So, when I choose "save as" in Photoshop and select the dds file format I'm presented with a dialog box that asks what settings the dds should be saved in. I'm cluesless as to the requirements of FSOne for this file format and the FAQ doesn't provide any direction. Does anyone know? Or does anyone want to share a profile that I can load. Thanks, Scott

Quinoa 03-23-2007 08:20 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
Hi again,

it seems to be very difficult for a newbie to install this software and to change all the parameters. Isn´t it?
I have flied twice an aeroplane but I find interesting to make progress with a flying simulator.

What´s the best choice for a computer, videocard?

Alberto

brazz 03-23-2007 08:23 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
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ORIGINAL: sctholson

Hi All,
I'm working on a new pano and the FAQ suggests several file formats for the tiles. One of which is dds. My Photoshop CS2 doesn't come with the ability to save a dds, so I found a Photoshop plug in at the Nvidia website. I downloaded it and installed it. So, when I choose "save as" in Photoshop and select the dds file format I'm presented with a dialog box that asks what settings the dds should be saved in. I'm cluesless as to the requirements of FSOne for this file format and the FAQ doesn't provide any direction. Does anyone know? Or does anyone want to share a profile that I can load. Thanks, Scott

Hi Scott

I do not know the Photoshop plugin as I used a the dds plugin for the Gimp. Mine did not work until I found that the FS One dds files are saved with DXT1 compression (the default for the Gimp plugin is no compression). On your screenshot I see that DXT1 is already selected, so I would guess to save the tile down with the default settings as they appear in your screenshot. I would also suggest to tick the option not to generate mipmaps.

Hope this could be of help. It's lovely to fly around on our local field in FS One! Here are some shots of my first attempt at creating FS One pano scenery:


Regards

skorman 03-23-2007 08:24 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
Patch 1.0.5 does not work on my computer. When I try to launch FSONE, a flash of a terminal window and then nothing. I might add, the same happened on patch 1.0.4 on my computer. It is an almost new HP pc. Patch 1.0.3 is the last one that works for me. Any suggestions? I would hate to think that after spending $210 on this sim that I can't keep it up to date.

mullenc525 03-23-2007 09:35 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
I have played with the audio hardware acceleration and only suceeded in making the sound cut in for 1 second in 5. I think maybe I will order a sound card to see if it helps. I am looking at the Chaintech AV-710 PCI Sound Card, as it is inexpensive and quite frankly I am happy with the quality of the onboard sound.

Any other suggestions FS One guys? Now I have the latest bios, video and sound drivers, and version 1.05. Also, I still notice at times the FPS drops low enough to make it look bad on the airplanes I can fly.

sctholson 03-23-2007 09:55 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 
Hi Brazz,
I'll give this a try later. I appreciate your comments. What is this "Gimp" that you refer to? I'm not familiar with the term/program.
And yeh I think it will be cool to fly in my own space. For me, I want to create my garage. After all in the winter her in Vermont, I'm to sane to fly outside (that and I'm not good enough)
Scott

brazz 03-23-2007 10:39 AM

RE: FS One by Hangar 9
 


ORIGINAL: sctholson

Hi Brazz,
I'll give this a try later. I appreciate your comments. What is this "Gimp" that you refer to? I'm not familiar with the term/program.
And yeh I think it will be cool to fly in my own space. For me, I want to create my garage. After all in the winter her in Vermont, I'm to sane to fly outside (that and I'm not good enough)
Scott
Hi Scott

Gimp is quite a good free graphics editor with features very similar to Photoshop. I like it quite a lot. One can download Gimp from [link=http://www.gimp.org/]www.gimp.org[/link]. The DDS plugin is available at [link=http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=4816]http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=4816[/link]. When saving a dds file down with Gimp, leave everything as default in the saving options but select DXT1 compression.

Hope this helps.

Regards


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