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RE: FS One by Hangar 9
CloudSkipper;
Your's is an exercise in futility; dbcisco has a chip on his shoulder and it's just not worth responding to, better off just letting his comments go unanswered. We've had enough FSOne bashing; let us hold our breath in peace. I'd rather spend time reading posts about folks asking for help, or not read anything. Scott |
RE: FS One by Hangar 9
Rumors backed with hearsay is misleading.
It is an excercise in futility propping up rumors with useless information. |
RE: FS One by Hangar 9
Scott, no worries, I'm not one for protracted debates and I have learned my lesson like many members about "sim debates". I had no intention of continuing to reply to counter point after another. I know from previous posts that dbcisco (like others) did not appreciate it that version one did not continue to evolve and expand uninterrupted under Horizon. It made me upset too. I hope that version two now independent of Horizon (and it's ongoing future updates) will put all that in the past.
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I hope anyone reading this stuff isn't changing there plans about a sim purchase (of any brand) based on these rumors.
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ORIGINAL: Darto501 Not getting a quick answer, I took the long time for a second install. Both installations run fine and completely independently. The second one (unpatched) flies quite a bit easier than the patched version and easier than real life models it seems to me. The patched version 1.9 (including heli patch) flies much more difficult and in fact seems harder to fly than real models. Nice to have both versions instantly available for using either one as the mood strikes. Maybe I'll have 3 installed on the same computer after I get the addon hangar pack! EDIT: Observations based on flying helicopters only, no planes. Right, you can install multiple times in different folders to have more than one working copy of FSOne. You are right that the heli's changed w/ the patches (some patches), but airplanes did not change. I will add that you do need the barebones first patch. BTW - The new version (in the works) is currently installing in 15 mins, which is a vast improvement over the HH version where it's 45 mins on the same machine. |
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ORIGINAL: dbcisco Why is it that the product information and FAQ at FS-One hasn't been updated since 2006. I have no idea who Selig is, if he really owns the rights to FS-One or anything at all. I can find no information of who owns or controls FSone.com or their products. ''Since being founded in 2003 by Brian Fuesz and Michael Selig...'' This means nothing about the current ownership or contraactual obligations to HH or anayone else. Inertiasoft.com seems to be just as dead and uninformative. No job postings is pretty weird for a company embarking on a redoing an old product. IMHO FS-One and Inertiasoft are in critical condition if not dead. |
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As soon as facts and real information regading FS-One, Inertiasoft ET AL are forth coming I will stop addressing the rumor as nothing more than rumor at worst and vaporware at best.
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ORIGINAL: MSelig BTW - The new version (in the works) is currently installing in 15 mins, which is a vast improvement over the HH version where it's 45 mins on the same machine. I remember installing fsone on a second computer and thinking "whoah I forgot how loong this takes". But anyway good news. I remember you mentioning long time ago that processor speeds were a concern with including a wider variety of wind conditions. Fundamentally I think winds are excellent in fsone, but I'd like to see conditions added that include for example shifting winds, etc. Edit: removed unneeded link |
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Let's see, if this works to take you to the link:
Check here for additional info about wind conditions: ********** edit by moderator ********** Scott, your direct link into RCGroups brings up something altogether different now *********** ********** it gives a list of 4 possible threads (looks like the response to a SEARCH), none of which are FSOne wind threads ********** ********** you may wish to sum up in your own words what it is you wish to share with us ****************** Scott edit: updated link daRock: edited inappropriate link out and replaced with suggestion |
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ORIGINAL: dbcisco It is not a conspiracy theory. Just posting facts to counter the rumors. As soon as facts and real information regading FS-One, Inertiasoft ET AL are forth coming I will stop addressing the rumor as nothing more than rumor at worst and vaporware at best. It is funny that the only facts regarding FS-One presented here are my posts. At the very least, I would like to know from Hangar9 and whoever now owns the rights FS-One how they got out of their exclusive contract with Hangar9 (ET AL). Please recall that MS had to go through the courts to get the rights for Windows away from IBM. |
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ORIGINAL: sctholson Check here for additional info about wind conditions: ********** edit by moderator ********** Scott, your direct link into RCGroups brings up something altogether different now *********** ********** it gives a list of 4 possible threads (looks like the response to a SEARCH), none of which are FSOne wind threads ********** ********** you may wish to sum up in your own words what it is you wish to share with us ****************** daRock: edited inappropriate link out and replaced with suggestion http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...6#post14345426 daRock, you probably encountered a db error or something when you clicked it. |
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ORIGINAL: CloudSkipper ORIGINAL: sctholson Check here for additional info about wind conditions: ********** edit by moderator ********** Scott, your direct link into RCGroups brings up something altogether different now *********** ********** it gives a list of 4 possible threads (looks like the response to a SEARCH), none of which are FSOne wind threads ********** ********** you may wish to sum up in your own words what it is you wish to share with us ****************** daRock: edited inappropriate link out and replaced with suggestion http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...6#post14345426 daRock, you probably encountered a db error or something when you clicked it. The link you provide actually takes me directly to a window that has at least 4 threads/posts in a list. None of them have a subject that suggests anything about FSOne. I just now went again and got exactly that same list. It is titled: "Similar Threads", and the similar threads are dated Sep 2009, Apr 2005, Oct 2003, Apr 2002 and none has a subject that seems to have anything to do with FSOne going out of production, which seems to be the "similar threads" found by a search. HOWEVER, when I selected the list in order to copy/paste it here, the action seemed to trigger movement from the list to a thread that did in fact contain the information you probably wished to share here. It may or may not be a "static direct link" to a post but it doesn't seem to go directly to a post at all. It's within the RCUniverse rules to provide a link to a competing website/forum and your link would be within those rules most certainly as it provides information pertinent to the topic of this thread, but the link certainly is a pita to use. I can only guess that everyone who hasn't been down that path would see what I saw, which is why I edited your previous link. Thanks for providing a link to more information. Let's hope it works better for everyone else who clicks it. |
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ORIGINAL: da Rock ORIGINAL: sctholson .... additional info about wind conditions: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...6#post14345426 Thanks for providing a link to more information. Let's hope it works better for everyone else who clicks it. Many users might not notice, but it's available right in the threads and requires either one or two clicks depending on whether you want just the post in isolation or the post and replies to it. So totally standard. I gave the updated link to Scott via PM because he initially posted a link to the thread which forced the reader to sift down to the post he was referring to. Not only the post itself but Selig's reply to it contains useful information, so I took the trouble. |
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Hi All,
I didn't intend to make life so difficult: Here's the text from those two posts that were referred to via link; these posts speak about wind conditions and further customization of FSOne, Scott I noticed only fairly recently that their are hidden additional wind conditions in fsone Don't know if they are experimental or what, but anyway... Here's how you can activate them... Open this file: C:\Program Files\FS One\Wind\Lists.cfg Add the lines below to the END of the file: Name217 = Interesting Name218 = Oscillating Name219 = TimeVarying ** Make sure to add a blank line after the last item Change the direction and wind speed using the keyboard shortcuts (Home and End for speed and '-' and '=' on the qwerty side for direction). Activate the wind compass with 'W' to see what changes you are making. I've been using the "TimeVarying" one a lot for the random swirly gustiness. There is also another called "UpDraft" which I haven't activated and tried yet. I noticed these hidden conditions after I saw a post by MSelig about a "boundry layer with turbulence" wind condition that he put up on his file server. That server is no longer functioning but I have that wind file as well (IMO it's a really good wind scenario as well... I've used this a lot too). I suppose I should let Selig attach that file here himself. It's called Q1054-TurbBL-Wind.zip If you have that file, you would add it like so... "Name" numbers must be in sequence and always add the blank line at the end of the file: Name220 = turbulentwind-10mph-000deg-GroundBL1 Q1054 Wow! Looks like we forgot to remove those 'works in progress' wind files! Who knows what other files were left in the attic ... The Q1054 TurbBL wind file mentioned above is here: http://www.inertiasoft.com/fsonefaq/...urbBL-Wind.zip This wind setup includes a 10-mph wind component + turbulence + ground boundary layer. It has "all" the elements that are encountered in a real wind scenario (especially landing). Use the 'w' key to see the wind speed and direction. We did not include turbulence with a ground boundary layer along with the original FS One HH install. Running an atmospheric boundary layer together with turbulence requires ~twice the computation on the wind side of things. It will not be so great on slow computers, but who still has slow computers these days?! If you try it out, you'll notice that as you get closer to the ground, the wind speed will decrease and in a crosswind landing this will require less correction. The turbulence adds in the random element. - ooo - To install, unzip the file, look at the readme file, and move the contents to your FS One HH "Wind" folder. Then edit the wind list here: C\:Program Files\FS One\Wind\Lists.cfg and add this line to the list and end the file with a blank line, e.g.: Name217 = turbulentwind-10mph-000deg-GroundBL1....or whatever number increments the last, e.g. Name220 if following the prior post. |
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Don't beat yourself up Scott. Was nothing you did. The updated link that I gave you was not working for daRock for some reason.
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sctholson (Scott); thanks for the cut and paste of that information. I don't visit RC Groups for a number of reasons so without the cut and paste I'd have no idea what the links contained. From a personal standpoint I don't think anyone should "link" to a competing site. Simply provide the information here. Just seems to be a bit lazy to only provide a link to a competing site. And, it's a bit of an insult to this site to essentially say that another competing site has more or better information about a particular subject. After all, we all know that RCU is a better site with better people and honest admins.
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ORIGINAL: johndou sctholson From a personal standpoint I don't think anyone should ''link'' to a competing site. Simply provide the information here. There's been so many tangents that I think a reader popping into the last page of this thread should see this quote (also from the other site... posted Feb 3rd) so they understand what's going on: ORIGINAL: MSelig It's true, you cannot get FS One from Horizon anymore and they're hard to find on Ebay, etc. All sold out and it looks like people are keeping what they have. We're coming out with another new version of FS One. This time around it will not be exclusive to Horizon and showcase almost exclusively Horizon brands. It's not going to be designed and evolve into a marketing machine. Instead, the mission accurate physics was and is the focus plain and simple. That's how good RC pilots want it to be. No flying on rails, no magic carpets, no fudge just physics, no cheating. Practice with an accurate sim, and flying in real will start making a lot more sense and be more fun. Start with confusion and surprises on the computer and have confidence in the field (cheapest way), not the other way around. I've got to thank the folks at Horizon for nurturing the early development of FS One, and their feedback and interaction was very important. That's phase is over and a new and better one has already filled it's place. Look for more news to come. I'm not giving out our detailed plans, but I will say "the death of FS One has been greatly exaggerated". Michael |
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It is nice to see that the other forum is allowing threads about a sim besides RF. I guess until it is an actual product certain people there aren't threatened. I am not bothered by the quote from there, I would never have seen it any other way as I don't go there any more.
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Edit: Nevermind ... signature change per request of moderator (da Rock).
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Hi All,
It's been a while. I'm glad to see that this thread is still hanging in there and I'm really glad to hear that FS-One may also be hanging in there. I gave up on the other forum a long time ago. To me, it is great that Michael has shown the integrity and interest to keep providing helpful comments (and info like the BL wind file) here despite whatever business world turmoil has maybe been going on 'out there'. As a side note, I've tried some of the other sims lately but they still don't seem to be as realistic as FS-One so I'll look forward to seeing what comes out ... and hopefully the faithful will still be around with helpful advice :) enjoy Dave |
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Agreed....
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ORIGINAL: Albatross1 Hi All, It's been a while. I'm glad to see that this thread is still hanging in there and I'm really glad to hear that FS-One may also be hanging in there. I gave up on the other forum a long time ago. To me, it is great that Michael has shown the integrity and interest to keep providing helpful comments (and info like the BL wind file) here despite whatever business world turmoil has maybe been going on 'out there'. As a side note, I've tried some of the other sims lately but they still don't seem to be as realistic as FS-One so I'll look forward to seeing what comes out ... and hopefully the faithful will still be around with helpful advice :) enjoy Dave |
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The reason I got rid of FS-One was because they never had more than a handful of models and no user created ones.
At least RF and AFPD have hundreds of aircraft to choose from. Even lowly FMS has over a thousand airplanes to choose from. |
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Hello, I am new to both Sim and RC... i have a CX3 heli and a Msr and was wondering if anyone had any idea on how to duplicate the Msr on the FS one? The Blade CX sim is very tame but i am not up to the CP Pro yet!!
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From memory.... If I'm not mistaken, one of the Cp Blades has training gear which flew very slowly. Or was that in the upgrade pack?
if you cannot find that slow helicopter, you could navigate to the Sim multiplier and change the rate, from what it is set at, to a lower number and try again. This way you can always change it back when you want the Sim to run at "normal" speeds. If you cannot locate the Sim multiplier maybe someone who is in front of their sim can tell you where it is. If not I'll look later when I am in front of that computer. Scott |
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