I'm looking to take a brake from my Nitro and electric land rc's and want something a bit more easy, relaxing etc....

I tired planes but never really got hooked but have always wanted to try heli's but never had a chance.

The only experience i have in them, is a old toy 2ch heli my aunt really over payed for (175.13) for a 2ch heli that had a pistol grip radio, and went forward and only turned left, and maybe lasted 2min in the air. Then my Friend got a picco z, (the air hogs version) and it was way better then my other one and was good at it, but i did not like the fact it was automatically going forward and u had up and down, and left and right steering. i wanted more.

I'm looking for something that a beginner can handle and that i won't have to upgrade to a better heli when i get more experience.

i have a tight price range, only 100-175, i have room and a flying field near me, and a huge park, right up the road. but i would like something small like a micro. but i herd that the bigger the heli/plane gets the more stable it is, and easier it will be to learn on, so i was not sure if that was true? I have been looking at these.

[link=https://www.helicopterheaven.com/remote-controlled-helicopters/5]E-Sky Lama IV Blue[/link]
[link=https://www.helicopterheaven.com/remote-controlled-helicopters/3]5#6 Walkera[/link]
[link=http://www.xheli.com/wadr4rarecor.html]2007 4-Channel Falcon 40 Radio Remote Control RC Helicopter RTF Fixed Pitch[/link]
[link=http://www.xheli.com/es4chhecola2.html]ESky 4CH Helicopter Co-co Lama 3 Micro Heli[/link]
And if the bigger is easier is true then there is this
[link=http://www.xheli.com/newest-2007-model-esky-belt-cp-rtf-6ch-rc-helicopter.html]Esky Belt CP RTF 6-Channel RC Helicopter Ready-to-Fly[/link]
[link=http://www.xheli.com/dr39elrcrare.html]Raptor G2 Type Z400 Belt-Driven Electric RC Radio Remote Control Helicopter Ready to Fly[/link]
[link=http://www.xheli.com/ea503dae6rar.html]Eagle 50 3D Aerobatic 6-Channl Radio Remote Control RC Helicopter R/C Heli RTF[/link]

Any help would be good guys, if theres something else or another that would be good, please link it, thanks for any help.

looks like you've looked quite a bit into this

do not go with walkera unless it is the #4

do not go with falcon unles it is the falcon 40 (especially the eagle 50, it's a re-badged walkera 22e)

I don't know much about that raptor g2, but it's different than the one that has the good repuation, so when someone says something good about the raptor, it's probably not that one

The main heli's that leaves you with are the lama v3 and v4, the only real differences are the looks which is basically the canopy. It also leaves you the walkera #4 the falcon 40 and the honeybee FP, I would prefer the last two over the first two. One other heli that you could also look into is the blade cx2. It's mostly like the lama series, but it has a 2.4ghz radio that is basically immune to interference. That's a plus, but it's about a 100 bucks more. The other nice thing about the cx2 is you can get parts for it at the local hobby shop, or LHS, and be up and flying that day, and not have to wait around on mail order parts.

Some more advanced heli's that would be just above your budget might include the HBK2 the axe cp and the blade cp+ or cp pro (none of these are really beginner heli's)

GL and feel free to PM me or ask any q's

welcome to the sport =)

Out of the ones you've listed the belt cp is the best, but if you're looking for something easy and relaxing you've chosen the wrong rc. Heli's are the most demanding in terms of concentration required, great fun but not relaxing... especially when you're first learning.

The lama V3/V4 and the CX/CX2 are all co-axial heli's, very stable and easy to learn on but outgrown quickly as well. Unless you're just looking for something to fly indoors or on days with NO wind then look for something larger.

i own a falcon 3dse and its a great heli. this is the first heli i started flying with and has been very fun to fly.

the Walkera #4 is the same bird as the Falcon 40. Exactly same.

I disagree with MRASMM (only on this one little point) that another good Walkera choice is the 5#5 (a much better bird than the 5#6, i know, have both)

I see that you are looking at both COAX and single rotor helis. There is a mixed bag of feelings here on which one is a good first step. I'm of the mindset that a coax is a great first step past the toy stage.

Also, what is your flying area? Winter is coming so you may want to find something that you can fly indoors. Even though mastering hovering is quite exciting, it gets old in the basement after you have good mastery of it. Maybe something smaller that can be flown indoors better.

If you have decided on the bigger helis, then my vote out of the 3 you mentioned is the BeltCP. ITs quite big and too big for a beginner to fly indoors. Unless you wallet and repair skills (for heli and objects in house) is unlimited.

Some things to think about.
Michael

lol Mike, the guy is in Florida, don't think he really needs to worry about the winter season, except maybe for hurricanes.

I own a Lama V4 and found it very fun and it can teach a bit about orientation and throttle control but really you grow out of it from a challenge standpoint in about a month. Hovering it is too easy and can give a false sense of skill, going from it to a blade cp (I know bad first single rotor heli to try to learn on but it was only $80 and parts support is good if pricey) was a shock to say the least.

The King2 was very nice but that may have to do with the fact that I'm flying it with a Futaba 9CHP and was able to set sub trim, pitch curves and throttle curves.

Consider the Falcon 3D and CPD4 CoPilot. I have two and I am a beginner since March 2007, Check with Mike at KAPLANES.COM in Floriday local to you. Nice guy who can help you. Other choices are fine too. All depends on ypur $$ situation...I think Mike though may have some deals around 200 dollars. Doesnt hurt to give him a call.
Ralph

ok its hard to see but this is the flying area i got[8D]

front of my house

the park down the road



I'm allowed in the race track, and where the clay is now covered by a steel pavilion

the track is 3/4mile

but i know what people say its not relaxing, but if you tried switching to land you would be up against the whole new world of rc, its neither relaxing or fun, well fun on the once in a blue moon fun, cause its nothing but tuning and repairing, but racing season is over and would like to kick back a bit, but still stay in some kind of hobby, i friend Ben, has done the heli and plane thing his whole life and is helping here and there, i tried his nitro heli and loved it, yes i was on the buddy box, i let him try my truck, well lets just put it this way, i wish i had a buddy box for cars, 2weeks later 130 more into its back up and running.

but back to helping me, i got the room to fly and there's a few clubs in my town that's has flying fields. the weather it does get cold down to the 40's but that's about it, no snow nothing, maybe a hurricane or two but that's pretty much it.

my lhs around me only does cars, trucks, there's a few that has lots of heli and plane stuff but its kinda hard to get up there only being 17, and no car or permit, (don't ask).

I was looking at these [link=http://towerhobbies.com/products/heli-max/hmxe04.html]Axe cp[/link]
or this is what one of the lhs has in heli's [link=http://www.superiorhobbies.com/istar.asp?a=3&dept=25&class=HELI]lhs hobby[/link]

if i have to, i can go to 300, worst comes to worst i can do 500.

but i was liking a beginner heli but something once i get more into it i would not have to drop twice as more on just to go up in experience level. I know about the 2.4 world cause i have one for my trucks. i have used the 2stick radios, and have to get use to them again, i know there's a lot of more benefits with dig radio, but i would like something that's not gonna brake in the first 5 min, can take a small to light crash, etc... i have room in the house for the small micro ones, but the larger ones would most likely be out side.

so with that said, what should i be looking at? and with the bigger limit whats next to look at since the price can go higher?

I'm not a newb in the hobby world, i got started when i was 5 with a nitro truck, so i would like to branch out my knowledge from land to air. i have done boats, but i lost to many of them to the gators down here.

Thanks for the help guys

Oh man that hobby store sucks for heli's. I suggest you buy online, I don't suggest a blade cp or axe cp (both 300 size micros) as your first heli, they are very twitchy and hard to hover. It will definitely not act in any way like a nitro heli.

Suggest you go at least 400 size micro or 450 mini. For 500 bucks you can think about the black hawk 450, eflite blade 400 or esky king2 or belt cp, all of these are RTF kits and come fully assembled. If you want to buy used you might be able to find a trex 450S or XL RTF with transmitter for $500.

well i was not looking to spend more then the first budget, the 500 is a worst case scenario, i know there gonna be allot twitchy but, I'm not looking for nitro quite yet, maybe Way down the yellow brick road, i might look into that, and if i do its gonna be a kyosho.

but I'm just looking for a fun beginner heli, RTF something i can learn on, but when i say advance i don't mean doing 3d stunts or anything, just go from a basic hover to fly around the room or go to the park and fly around etc...

but like i said i have very little if none at all experience with heli's but i want to have control over the up down left right lean left lean right hover movements etc... I'm gonna get the learning balls so it will help me.

so whats a few good choice from mini to a bigger scale, i do not want to go more then 300, but worst comes to worst if i have to 500 i can do. but i want the cheapest possible, that i still can be able to learn on and have fun.

i have no clue when u guys talk about this heli or that heli so if i don't got links to what ur talking about i have no clue on it, or if i look it up i don't know what I'm looking at.

sent you an email
Mike

well, if you've got 500 worst case senario... you may also look into a Trex (although that wont give you any money for replacement parts), they have a Trex 450 at helihobby.com for 500, that would be a nice beginner and would take you all the way. It's also good quality and nearly every LHS stocks parts for them


look at T-Rex 450S Spectrum Package on http://www.helihobby.com/html/trex_helicopter.html

i agree on the coax, very easy to pick up, fun to fly inside, not very comtrolable outside if there is much of any wind, and for alot of people easy to get bored and want to move on (although there is a big following now that is upgrading the heck out of these and having alot of fun with them).

As far as the 300 micro size like the blade cp and the axe cp, I also agree, they are a bit of a handful to learn on (I learned on a blade cp pro), have expensive replacement parts, and have a motor driven tail, which can take you a ways, but a belt or shaft driven tail is a better idea. If you want to be able to fly in the house, the 300 sized heli's are probably what you are going to want to stick with, a 450 or bigger heli would probably be too big for most houses.

for a begginer almost any 2 blade (co-Axil) will do. they are very easy to fly and i learned my 3ch in a instant after my picco Z (also easy)

but yeah, choppers are not relaxing, even with a easy chopper it still demands instantanious actions.

im going to get my venom night ranger 3D soon (possibly tommarro ) and ask anyone, im going to crash and its going to break... you need to balance 3 servos. pitch (lift) tail swing, foward tilt, backwards tilt, side to side and negitve thrust. now thats a handfull of axis that want your attention at all times [X(].

but oh, they are SO fun!

like ralph said a few posts up, falcon 3d and the CPD4 is a very nice combo for someone starting out. the falcon 3d is a 400 size heli so its alittle bigger than the blade cps but its small enough to hover in a big room in the house(with the cpd4 turned off). with the cpd4 combo ull be able to do forward flight in no time, plus its more of a relaxed flying if you want it to be because you can turn the cpd4 on fully so and you let go of the cyclic controls (the right stick) it will hover for you with no input. that and a good gyro, tail servo and you can put down the controller and walk away with the heli hovering. with the cpd4 it lets you "try" things you wouldnt try before because if you get in trouble with the cpd4 just let go of the stick and it will go back to a hover. Mike at kaplanes has a great deal on the combo and he is a super nice guy.

lol i can name all of the setting you just listed for cars and our radios setup's but there fun two. but i went down to an old friend who use to own his own hobby shop, and he had 6 or 7 helis and one was a venom night ranger II micro heli, he took me out and let me try it, and i was pretty good for my turns, he set it up to a take out of the box and fly settings, but he said i can handle heli's i would have to adjust everything with. but that's why i liked the hobby heaven cause it said they do all the adjustments, yes i know they can and will be bumped in shipping, but i don't know.... as for the relaxing i would like to see one of you guys try a nitro land rc, you would have some REAL fun there, tuning, cleaning, combo's, parts. contest adjusting, never running right gears striping, the u have the actual driving. u put a plane or heli guy on a truck they have little to no clue what there doing, you would seem its easier cause a 2ch radio but there just as sensitive with any setting, and hitting things from huge to small, and not knowing if its gonna brake then it gets worse. i have been doing the trucks cars for my 13+years in this hobby and I'm wanting to get a bit out of the land world, i know the worst thing for a heli is A the lipo over discharges and goes BOOM! or B it crashes. or the tree here or there, but there's nothing in its way when its in the sky, well the wind, but i think you guys no what i mean u have big fields to fly out vs, the truck having from a back yard to a track its just............... u step back and see what u have spent or have been doing with your time in any hobby land or sea to air, we all have the same look(what was i thinking) but there's always the upsides in the hobby to have those perfect days where everything goes right and in the end it all pays off.

I have done from micro to 1/5th rc, i have done boats, i tried planes but never got hooked. but have always liked heli's.

But i talked to mom, my 500, is now 300 and my 300 is now 150, so want something small or big something i can just have fun with, and still learn.

Thanks for the help guys, all this help, is helping lol.

I have a Belt CP and love it but I have been messing with Helos for 2 years now and started with an FP Walkera #4. Good for learning and cheap to fix. ESky makes 2 good Micros. The Honeybee FP and CP. The CP is a cheap Blade CP and will teach the basics of Collective pitch flight but they are very twitchy. If you can fly a Micro you can fly anything.

I can't recommend the Belt or a TREX for a 1st bird because you are now into the relm of Highly functional, Almost mechanically scale Helicopters. One, they can hurt or remove parts of your body if your not careful with them and they are not very forgiving. Two, without they can be tough to learn on. Many people have jumped into the 450 size helos alone and where dissappointed by not knowing how to set them up properly and crashing them and ultimately blaming the helo for their failure.

What I would do, is get a Honey Bee King V2.
It's bigger than a 300 but smaller than a 450. We'll call it a 375 size

Belt driven tail like the big boys
Comes with a radio set-up, gyro, Li-Po battery and a charger(get a better one)
A brushed motor and ESC to get your thumbs used to hovering and basic flight and you can upgrade to a brushless set-up for around $50 when you are ready.
The Head and swashplate are almost the same as the Belt so it would help familiarize yourself with the workings of the larger helos.


http://www.helidirect.com/product_in...oducts_id=3123

Good Luck

If I had to start over, this is what I would start with.

ok guys after some long thinking i took the plunge and bought this, as i know of no one else has it yet. so i will be one of the testers on it.

http://www.teamtrinity.com/shop/item.asp?item=TRI38000

its in my price range its not a micro but its still small compared to some of the ones i was looking at, but i'll let you know how it goes when it gets here.