I'm thinking of getting a heli and want to see if anyone can recommend anything for indoor and outdoor use. And recommendation to the brand is also helpful as I do not know which brand is good and durible


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The best heli that fits your requirements for indoor and outdoor and durability is the Hirobo SRB Quark; assuming you don't have a lot of experience.

If you are a beginner, an E-Sky Lama V4, with some commonly available update components, would work for you. Keep in mind it's a coax, so it has limitations.

You location may affect shipping costs and availability, however.

i have no experience at all...never had a heli

it would likely more for outdoor use than indoor...looking for one that can be stable under light wind....i know co-ax isnt too stable under the wind

try this.

http://www.helidirect.com/esky-lama-...ghz-p-6445.hdx

or better yet this.

http://www.helidirect.com/esky-outdo...29_223_961.hdx

How much money are you looking to spend?

whats the difference between these two..

e-sky any good....its made in china...is the quality really crappy...

actually its not bad, I actually have a Honey bee FP, and I have bounce it off of many things in my garage, I eventually killed the 4in1 box, but you can buy separate gyro, esc, and rebuild it, then carry the upgraded electronics on to your future projects. not to mention they are cheap enough that they are almost disposable.

http://www.helidirect.com/esky-honey...29_223_681.hdx

http://www.helidirect.com/esky-lama-c-1_29_223_960.hdx

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200 usd max for now...until i learn how to fly

anyone know which vendor carries Hirobo ...i remember seeing it somewhere but i cant find it anymore

every place always seem to be out of stock for everything

Ibought the Falcon 40 with extra parts completely ready to fly for under $100 shipped across the US to my door.

Ihave crashed it a few times none too bad, basically just hitting rotors but one time it did flip on its side inbetween a jacuzzi and a rock wall! No damage to anything yet.

It is a fixed Pitch and my first heli. I'm hovering after approximately 3 battery packs. It really isn't too bad to learn on one of these. Iam working on nose-in hovering now.

which brand is falcon 40 from?

Exceed RC

It does feel sort of flimsy and cheap but it is the perfect heli to learn on for the price. Also replacement parts are VERYcheap. Replacing everything but electronics costs 39.99.

Since you are in Ontario, have you thought of taking this question to one of your local hobby shops? They are going to be the ones that will have to support you with parts and service. Living in Ontario, you definitely DONOT want to have anything shipped up from the U.S. especially if the company is going to ship via UPS. Trust me, UPS will ROBYOUBLIND with their brokerage fees.
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ya...all those low price one...looks like they are made out of cheap plastic...but i will probably get a cheap one until i learn how to fly

i havent gone to any yet....probably will go look on fri....
just that online seem to have more selection and cheaper price....
I live in toronto...dont really know many hobby shop...im sure theres a lot...just dont know where....well i know a few....
how bad does UPS charge....dont tell me they charge more than the stuff you actually buy...lol...

well...here some site of the local stores around...tell me if these price are similar to the ones in BC...and if it is reasonable enough

www.advance-rc.com/hmain.html
www.advancehobbies.com/

Most hobbies shops will push their own product, not give you the best advise. Most local hobby shops will probably carry Align, Eflite and Heli-Max. All decent heli brands with Align probably dominating the 450 to 600 heli sizes.

Most hobby shops will push you towards a co-axial to begin with which isn't a bad way to start.

I think boyswithtoys is a good toronto RC shop. There is also www.greathobbies.com which is probably Canada's largest online shop.

As for shopping from out of country, the US is ok if you take the $$ into account, yes UPS does charge a large brokerage fee (usually it's a minimum of $25), USPS/Canada Post charges $5-$8 plus GST.

With a budget of $200 you're not going to get much (certainly not the Hirobo Quark which costs twice that), unfortunately RC helis are expensive to get into. Think about a co-axial for now.

Advance had no prices but just as a hint, don't buy walkera...

the $200 is really just an estimate when i didnt even know how much a peanut would cost....but seems to me that repair and upgrade will cost quite a bit...

should i just get an Align or Hirobo....

align does not really make too many starter helis. If you can afford it the Trex 450 is a good starter but will cost in the $600-$700 range after you add all the electronics and radio. I would personally not recommend Hirobo to newbies, they are a higher cost to start and also to maintain (parts cost more), they make great helis though.

If you can afford up to $700-$800 I'd personally suggest something like a Century Swift 16 or Gaui Hurricane 550. They are larger helis so they will be more stable, unfortunately, not many local shops will carry parts for them.

Thunder Tiger makes an E325 which is similar to the Trex 450 for a lower kit cost and they fly just as well.

The first thing you should do is decide whether you want to shop locally or online, locally may limit your choices yet will provide a ready source of parts (just make sure they are actually stocked). See how friendly the local staff are, I've had issues with staff at one of my local shops and will not shop there, even if I have to pay more elsewhere.

So your choices are:

1. co-axial (would recommend esky lama v3 for this)
2. fp (would again recommend the esky honey bee fp)
3. 450 size (would recommend trex 450 or tt e325)
4. 500-550 size (would recommend swift 16 or hurricane 550, trex also makes a 500)

remember that for the 450 and larger you need to get all the electronics (4 servos, gyro, motor/esc (unless it's included) and radio).

ill probably shop local....price is higher....but if i consider other cost for online.....ups....currency....i dont think it ll be that much off....

local shop carries a lot of align ...esky always seem to be out of stock....is the esky one stable in outdoor....they are kinda small....

do you think i would have a hard time controlling a trex....well i m not going to do anything crazy....just basic hovering...

i think i might go with 400 size.....i would rather concentrate on one heli rather than buying a few....

have to see if the local carries TT....

I personally would suggest you start with a coaxial instead of a FP or CP, is a world of difference moving up, the coaxials will give you some orientation practice but are far more stable, make fun flyers, likely the CX serie in Eflite are good as can handle gentle breezes as also heard of the Big Lama by Esky, Eflite abit better on the electronics from reviews, but both will work, thinking you prefer the outdoor flying, want some size...<>..

After that you going to have a ton of suggestions all having specific advantages, larger the better handling etc

My progression was as follows:
MCX Micro Coaxial, indoor fun, beauty $125
Hirobo SRB Quark FP, you'll keep hearing about this one, expensive but flys increadible for a small FP, excellent, $350 threads all true..
Pro 2, tweaky tail but entered the CP world, hovers rather well..around $230
Blade 400 CP RTF, complete, nice flyer, very touchy, patience, nice out of the box flyer, scale flying, all smiles..$350 to $450

Sorry - one heli isn't he answeer, you need more than one for easier success, Wish The Best ...<>..

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i havent gone to any yet....probably will go look on fri....
just that online seem to have more selection and cheaper price....
I live in toronto...dont really know many hobby shop...im sure theres a lot...just dont know where....well i know a few....
how bad does UPS charge....dont tell me they charge more than the stuff you actually buy...lol...

well...here some site of the local stores around...tell me if these price are similar to the ones in BC...and if it is reasonable enough

www.advance-rc.com/hmain.html
www.advancehobbies.com/


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I just did a quick Google of Hobby Shops Toronto. You have no shortage of hobby shops in Toronto. You just have to get around and do the visiting. Regarding UPS rates, I was in a hurry for a four port charger for my mcx. They were available at Horizon long before my LHS. I bought directly from Horizon. The purchase from Horizon <u>INCLUDING </u>shipping was $71.97 USD. This was UPS Ground shipping. When it arrived at my door, those BANDITS from UPS demanded yet <u>ANOTHER</u> $38.00 CDN for "duty and brokerage". UPS from the States is just bad, bad news.

When I checked some of the Toronto stores, I did not find too many prices posted. You won't find too many prices posted for Vancouver area stores either. I know that a stock CX3 RTF locally ranges from $250.00 to $280.00 CDN.

Whoa, I cannot let this statement go unchallenged. The several LHS I use are all small businesses owned and operated senior members of the community of practice i.e., veteran R/C pilots. They are earning a living from their stores. Of course they will push their own product. Does Home Depot tell you to go to Wal-Mart? Just one of the reasons the LHS push their own products is because they know if you are not happy with your purchase, you will be right back and in their face. They are not going to advise you to buy a product that is unreliable or ill suited for your needs. If they do, they will not be in business for long. The LHS in this area stock products that promote them staying in business. The several LHS that I used will go out of their way to give the best advice they can based on their experience and the experience of their customers. They <u>KNOW</u> the power of word-of-mouth advertising at least in this local market place.

All I saw from your post was the fact that you agreed with me... I'm not saying that it's immoral of them to do so, just that they aren't going to push a product they don't stock. It's a statement of fact, not a condemnation of their business practices.

I know the LHS's in my area not only DON'T promote products they don't sell but some will actively denounce products that they don't sell without having any knowledge of them. For instance, I'm also into cars and once went into a shop asking for tamiya parts, the guy at the counter basically said tamiya was crap and that I should buy an HPI or Traxxas (what they stock) instead.

Let me qualify my statement then, "Most hobby shops will give you the best advise, based on what they sell".

Agreed.