What helicopter's are non-CCPM RC helicopters? I've only flown Quick helicopters, and the other guys I fly with have Quick helicopters. I saw the FMA Co-Pilot, and they say it works with helicopters, but not CCPM heli's.

What does CCPM stand for anyway?

the raptor 30 non-ccpm. the raptor use I servo for each control ( throttle, rudder, pitch, elevator, aileron) ccpm uses less servo and mixes the servo movement to do the same job

eCCPM is electronic cyclic collective pitch mixing...

Generally uses the same number of servos for the elevator aileron and collective pitch, but links them direct to the swash and mixes them to control direction and blade pitch....

3d flyers seem to prefer it as it moves the swash faster for aggressive flying... I am a ways off of that yet!

....non-CCPM Helis:
Robbe
Millennium,Futura,Nova

Martin

You forgot the Concept 30 SX and DX! Those were true non-CCPM helis also. The raptor is a mechanical CCPM heli, it is not an eCCPM heli.

Nexus30 is non-CCPM.

Caliber 30 can be set up either way.

FMA has been working on a CCPM version of the Co-Pilot though. It was expected to have been released late last year...

theres three methods: 2 ccpms, 1 not

ccpm 1: 'sliding" swashplate, the mechanical ccpm (cyclic collective pitch mixing) examples being raptors, shuttles, robbe system 88.

ccpm 2: "eccpm","ems", "electronic mixing" "direct control" or whatever else you want to call it.....whatever fury, vigor cs, etc.

the in line swashplate not ccpm. a separate mechanism activates the collective. best examples are the concepts, fai helis.

whats most precise? in-line, what costs the most to make, in-line. whats quickest? ems. whats the most common? mechanical ccpm...but thats giving way to ems. what makes you fly better? none.

Even the helis that didn't have a sliding swashplate, such as the Concepts, the old Kalts and the old Schluters could still be describes as mCCPM machines. CCPM means Cyclic-Collective Pitch-Mixing. If cyclic and collective pitch aren't mixed at the swashplate, they are mixed at the head or at the washout.

Non collective helis can't be CCPM.

Just wondering, what do most full size helicopters use. I'm guessing there a similiar design.

Most use linear hydrolic rams attached to the swash in a CCPM fassion.

Raptor CCPM??? wow! and I thought I knew everything about this bird

Yes, the Raptor is true CCPM. It is MECHANICAL CCPM, not ELECTRIC CCPM.

CCPM stands for Collective, Cyclic Pitch Mixing. This can be done both mechanically and electronically.

Any helicopter that uses a floating swashplate is CCPM. The swashplate is what does the mixing. As it moves up and down the mainshaft, it adds or subtracts collective pitch from both blades. As it tilts fore/aft, or left/right or any combination there of it will add the appropriate cyclic pitch to the appropriate blade every cycle. So you can see that moving the swashplate up or down while tilting it in any direction will mix in both collective and cyclic pitches. Hence CCPM.

Heli's that use one servo per function to move mechanical mixing linkages below the swashplate to give the collective and cyclic commands to the floating swashplate are considered (mechanical) mCCPM systems. Those that use servos connected more directly to the swashplate and use electronic mixing circuits in the Transmitters software to command the floating swashplate are considered (electronic) eCCPM systems.

Heli's like the TSK Blackstar and Fivestar, Kalt Baron and Enforcer, Kyosho Concepts and Nexus and a few others use fixed swashplates for cyclic and used floating washout hubs or other similar mechanisms to deliver the collective pitch changes desired. They are considered non CCPM helis.

But the term CCPM has been so *******ized by the users of the language today that generally when one is referring to a heli as CCPM one is now understood as meaning a heli that is eCCPM (e.g Any JR CCPM heli, the Century Raven series, the Hirobo SPM (?) system etc.)

In truth, any heli with a swashplate that is designed to move up and down the mainmast is a CCPM helicopter.

I hope this clarifies it all for those who were not fully aware of the differences.

So will a concept 30 work with a airplane radio? such as a super7
or a 9c.?

I flew my Raptor 50 on an FP-T7UAFS SUPER 7 for months. All I did was turn the throttle ratchet around backwards so that it didn't click.