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08-17-2007 | 01:10 PM
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RE: CCPM
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Thanks for your graphics tippy:
Although that the shaft center is not at the same distance that the aileron and pitch, the radius is always the same. In theory when we apply the same amount of distance to the three servos that move the swash plate, they will travel the same distance up and down, the difference will be appreciated when only one of the servos is actuated up, then the other will partially have to raise or lower but the travel will be different. The 140o swash plate idea is to compensate the travel of the servos and make this swash plate more natural to move increasing then the final results. In the real world, as you mentioned this kind of differences tend to be minimal in the heli behavior leaving only to the Pro Pilots its benefits. As technology advances, al of this upgrades tend to make our helis better and behave more stables with high possibilities of a great performance in 3D areas. I have had the opportunity to fly several helis on the sim programs G2 and G3 by Great Planes and there are a lot of difference between this two simulators, obviously they tend to make the flight pattern more real and I have found easier to fly an heli on the G3 program version.
New radios like futaba 12 with fasst technology has going a little more far with up to 8 swash plate configurations, that let us know that the final word is not written yet but we are very closer to the real thing.
Some helis that are in the market by now, like raptors and Kinetic 50 from HeliMax have not a CCPM configuration but they are 3D capable at a certain point. Maybe CCPM could make them perform better but as I said before, for a Sunday flier the differences will be barely noticeable.
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Alfred.
Thanks for your graphics tippy:
Although that the shaft center is not at the same distance that the aileron and pitch, the radius is always the same. In theory when we apply the same amount of distance to the three servos that move the swash plate, they will travel the same distance up and down, the difference will be appreciated when only one of the servos is actuated up, then the other will partially have to raise or lower but the travel will be different. The 140o swash plate idea is to compensate the travel of the servos and make this swash plate more natural to move increasing then the final results. In the real world, as you mentioned this kind of differences tend to be minimal in the heli behavior leaving only to the Pro Pilots its benefits. As technology advances, al of this upgrades tend to make our helis better and behave more stables with high possibilities of a great performance in 3D areas. I have had the opportunity to fly several helis on the sim programs G2 and G3 by Great Planes and there are a lot of difference between this two simulators, obviously they tend to make the flight pattern more real and I have found easier to fly an heli on the G3 program version.
New radios like futaba 12 with fasst technology has going a little more far with up to 8 swash plate configurations, that let us know that the final word is not written yet but we are very closer to the real thing.
Some helis that are in the market by now, like raptors and Kinetic 50 from HeliMax have not a CCPM configuration but they are 3D capable at a certain point. Maybe CCPM could make them perform better but as I said before, for a Sunday flier the differences will be barely noticeable.
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08-17-2007 | 03:14 PM
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With the whole "variable blade pitch" why can't you rev up the motor instead (save on serovs...)
Other than that I have absolutely nothing of value to add to this thread , it is making my head hurt ...LOL
08-17-2007 | 03:24 PM
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Some helis that are in the market by now, like raptors and Kinetic 50 from HeliMax have not a CCPM configuration but they are 3D capable at a certain point
08-17-2007 | 04:13 PM
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If you want to fly any 3D or inverted then negative pitch is needed also so a fixed pitch would not work .
Other than that I have absolutely nothing of value to add to this thread , it is making my head hurt ...LOL
With the whole "variable blade pitch" why can't you rev up the motor instead (save on serovs...)
Other than that I have absolutely nothing of value to add to this thread , it is making my head hurt ...LOL
08-17-2007 | 09:06 PM
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RE: CCPM
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Shhh! My Titan doesn't know its limited in its 3d performance. You could tell the Raptor 90 was holding Alan Szabo back too
Some helis that are in the market by now, like raptors and Kinetic 50 from HeliMax have not a CCPM configuration but they are 3D capable at a certain point
Good Job and I hope to read more from you
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08-18-2007 | 11:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Thanks.
Upcoming reviews include the Trex 450SA, Mini Titan, Rays DVD E Series and an article on doing autorotations.
Thanks.
Upcoming reviews include the Trex 450SA, Mini Titan, Rays DVD E Series and an article on doing autorotations.
08-18-2007 | 12:13 PM
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RE: CCPM
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Thanks.
Upcoming reviews include the Trex 450SA, Mini Titan, Rays DVD E Series and an article on doing autorotations.
Thanks.
Upcoming reviews include the Trex 450SA, Mini Titan, Rays DVD E Series and an article on doing autorotations.
Good to have you here.
08-18-2007 | 02:33 PM
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RE: CCPM
ORIGINAL: alfredbmor
I am looking forward to read the Trex 450SA review, I am just about to buy the version with the motor and esc, thanks for sharing the info I wont buy it until I read the review.
Good to have you here.
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Thanks.
Upcoming reviews include the Trex 450SA, Mini Titan, Rays DVD E Series and an article on doing autorotations.
Thanks.
Upcoming reviews include the Trex 450SA, Mini Titan, Rays DVD E Series and an article on doing autorotations.
Good to have you here.
08-18-2007 | 04:45 PM
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I just review what they send me 
Look for that in a couple weeks, I'm putting it together now, probably test fly this week, video next weekend at the field, then its a matter of doing the layout, sizing the photos ect and compiling the video. After that its up to the RCU braintrust.
Its a Trex 450SA with ESC and motor from Align from http://www.amainhobbies.com
The mini titan will be next up after that.
Look for that in a couple weeks, I'm putting it together now, probably test fly this week, video next weekend at the field, then its a matter of doing the layout, sizing the photos ect and compiling the video. After that its up to the RCU braintrust.
Its a Trex 450SA with ESC and motor from Align from http://www.amainhobbies.com
The mini titan will be next up after that.
08-18-2007 | 08:22 PM
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RE: CCPM
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Um....I'm way to lazy for all that.
I can tell you that if you set your default login to helicopters then you will see the new reviews on your home page when you log in.
I also usually post something in the forums when a review goes live.
Um....I'm way to lazy for all that.
I can tell you that if you set your default login to helicopters then you will see the new reviews on your home page when you log in.
I also usually post something in the forums when a review goes live.
EDIT: pics of how CCPM works on a full size people carrying heli. it came from the way things work, helicopters, sadly it has no diagram on how the paddles work (which I guess are only really on models)
08-20-2007 | 11:19 AM
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RE: CCPM
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
I just review what they send me
Look for that in a couple weeks, I'm putting it together now, probably test fly this week, video next weekend at the field, then its a matter of doing the layout, sizing the photos ect and compiling the video. After that its up to the RCU braintrust.
Its a Trex 450SA with ESC and motor from Align from http://www.amainhobbies.com
The mini titan will be next up after that.
I just review what they send me
Look for that in a couple weeks, I'm putting it together now, probably test fly this week, video next weekend at the field, then its a matter of doing the layout, sizing the photos ect and compiling the video. After that its up to the RCU braintrust.
Its a Trex 450SA with ESC and motor from Align from http://www.amainhobbies.com
The mini titan will be next up after that.
Calvino: You won't believe it but I am not really an electric fan. I have this little CP Pro which is very hard to fly, even that I am now hovering and flying somewhat better everyday I have to say that I do it much better on the nitro ones in the Sim. The real fact is that I can carry an electric heli in my car's trunk and stop at any park and fly the heli, even this little electric heli have helped me to spend more time with my children on weekends, of course I miss the flying field, the buddies and my huge collection of nitro planes, most of them are 4 stroke Saito powered planes and I love them but I also love my little kids and want to stay with them a little longer and have found that with electrics I can go to the park with them, playing with the kids and having some flights with the electric heli. I was thinking on buying a Nitro Heli Max Kinetic 50 but because of the reasons that you now know I am now focusing in this Trex SA.
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08-20-2007 | 12:54 PM
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good point, with the electric you pull the thing out of the car, and fly. that is an advantage for people with little time on their hands (like me who will have school and college classes starting soon[&:]). I have had many people say the BCPP is a pain to fly... thanks for the info, can't wait for a review to come out
08-20-2007 | 12:54 PM
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I can tell you from playing with other peoples stuff out at the field, I'll be keeping one of the two and its most likely going to be the Mini Titan.
I found quite a few things that irriated me about my first Trex V2. They have done some things in the interim that have really improved the product.
The instructions are a magatude better. The ball link fit is better, everything is loose enough not to need reaming but not falling off the balls. The radius block is metal with a plastic washout base but the plastic washout has a brass sleeve insert to it wont get sloppy.
Overall I'm impressed with the improvements.
I found quite a few things that irriated me about my first Trex V2. They have done some things in the interim that have really improved the product.
The instructions are a magatude better. The ball link fit is better, everything is loose enough not to need reaming but not falling off the balls. The radius block is metal with a plastic washout base but the plastic washout has a brass sleeve insert to it wont get sloppy.
Overall I'm impressed with the improvements.
08-20-2007 | 12:55 PM
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I can tell you from playing with other peoples stuff out at the field, I'll be keeping one of the two and its most likely going to be the Mini Titan.
I found quite a few things that irriated me about my first Trex V2. They have done some things in the interim that have really improved the product.
The instructions are a magatude better. The ball link fit is better, everything is loose enough not to need reaming but not falling off the balls. The radius block is metal with a plastic washout base but the plastic washout has a brass sleeve insert to it wont get sloppy.
Overall I'm impressed with the improvements.
I can tell you from playing with other peoples stuff out at the field, I'll be keeping one of the two and its most likely going to be the Mini Titan.
I found quite a few things that irriated me about my first Trex V2. They have done some things in the interim that have really improved the product.
The instructions are a magatude better. The ball link fit is better, everything is loose enough not to need reaming but not falling off the balls. The radius block is metal with a plastic washout base but the plastic washout has a brass sleeve insert to it wont get sloppy.
Overall I'm impressed with the improvements.
08-21-2007 | 06:55 PM
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I can tell you from playing with other peoples stuff out at the field, I'll be keeping one of the two and its most likely going to be the Mini Titan.
I found quite a few things that irriated me about my first Trex V2. They have done some things in the interim that have really improved the product.
The instructions are a magatude better. The ball link fit is better, everything is loose enough not to need reaming but not falling off the balls. The radius block is metal with a plastic washout base but the plastic washout has a brass sleeve insert to it wont get sloppy.
Overall I'm impressed with the improvements.
I can tell you from playing with other peoples stuff out at the field, I'll be keeping one of the two and its most likely going to be the Mini Titan.
I found quite a few things that irriated me about my first Trex V2. They have done some things in the interim that have really improved the product.
The instructions are a magatude better. The ball link fit is better, everything is loose enough not to need reaming but not falling off the balls. The radius block is metal with a plastic washout base but the plastic washout has a brass sleeve insert to it wont get sloppy.
Overall I'm impressed with the improvements.
I do believe that I am in the very beginning phase of the heli stage. I have been thinking about the Trex way because I believe that is friendlier. In the other way is the Mini Titan which I think that is a great and very aerobatic model since the beginning so I do think that should go well with a very experienced heli pilot. Second thought is that parts for the trex are available at my Local Hobby Shop and they are somewhat cheaper than the MiniTitans and third thought is money investment, like I said I am a beginner so I think that I should go with the sport version of the Trex (SA version with motor and esc, e-flite servos and align gyro).
Thanks for your comments, they are really appreciated.
Alfred.
08-21-2007 | 11:37 PM
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I thought so.
I do believe that I am in the very beginning phase of the heli stage. I have been thinking about the Trex way because I believe that is friendlier. In the other way is the Mini Titan which I think that is a great and very aerobatic model since the beginning so I do think that should go well with a very experienced heli pilot. Second thought is that parts for the trex are available at my Local Hobby Shop and they are somewhat cheaper than the MiniTitans and third thought is money investment, like I said I am a beginner so I think that I should go with the sport version of the Trex (SA version with motor and esc, e-flite servos and align gyro).
Thanks for your comments, they are really appreciated.
Alfred.
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
I can tell you from playing with other peoples stuff out at the field, I'll be keeping one of the two and its most likely going to be the Mini Titan.
I found quite a few things that irriated me about my first Trex V2. They have done some things in the interim that have really improved the product.
The instructions are a magatude better. The ball link fit is better, everything is loose enough not to need reaming but not falling off the balls. The radius block is metal with a plastic washout base but the plastic washout has a brass sleeve insert to it wont get sloppy.
Overall I'm impressed with the improvements.
I can tell you from playing with other peoples stuff out at the field, I'll be keeping one of the two and its most likely going to be the Mini Titan.
I found quite a few things that irriated me about my first Trex V2. They have done some things in the interim that have really improved the product.
The instructions are a magatude better. The ball link fit is better, everything is loose enough not to need reaming but not falling off the balls. The radius block is metal with a plastic washout base but the plastic washout has a brass sleeve insert to it wont get sloppy.
Overall I'm impressed with the improvements.
I do believe that I am in the very beginning phase of the heli stage. I have been thinking about the Trex way because I believe that is friendlier. In the other way is the Mini Titan which I think that is a great and very aerobatic model since the beginning so I do think that should go well with a very experienced heli pilot. Second thought is that parts for the trex are available at my Local Hobby Shop and they are somewhat cheaper than the MiniTitans and third thought is money investment, like I said I am a beginner so I think that I should go with the sport version of the Trex (SA version with motor and esc, e-flite servos and align gyro).
Thanks for your comments, they are really appreciated.
Alfred.
. I would wait unil BaracoudaHockey has the review on the t-rex so you can see what he used... just my suggestion Just ignore the [&:] expression on my face, I was having to be atleast an OK pilot to show my RC car buddy...
08-22-2007 | 01:58 PM
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ORIGINAL: alfredbmor
Great picture Calvino
Great picture Calvino
The pic took a good 4 takes because my dad was a little slow with the cammera. odly enough, i learned to fly outside, but it has been a little bit since I picked up the xmitter and gone flying, plus it was a little windy that day
who makes the gyro, futuba??? (i am learning so much stuff, thanks guys[8D])
08-22-2007 | 04:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
I wouldnt use eflite servos in a 450 personally. I used hs56hbs in both the trex and titan with a 401/9650 gyro and futaba pcm receiver.
If I were building one for myself I'd probably go hs65mg servos but I had 56's handy.
I wouldnt use eflite servos in a 450 personally. I used hs56hbs in both the trex and titan with a 401/9650 gyro and futaba pcm receiver.
If I were building one for myself I'd probably go hs65mg servos but I had 56's handy.
Thanks.
Alfred.
