FS NUMBERS
01-01-2011 | 08:16 PM
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RE: FS NUMBERS
ORIGINAL: DCM
I have used Finishmaster for years and they ( well my local store), can match some FS numbers, most have to be match via FS color chip.
David
I have used Finishmaster for years and they ( well my local store), can match some FS numbers, most have to be match via FS color chip.
David
Is there a good source for FS color ships somewhere? Also, when I last went to the PPG store, they said that a paint sample or chip has to be glossy in order for their machine to read it for a match. Does that sound right?
Bob
01-01-2011 | 11:16 PM
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RE: FS NUMBERS
ORIGINAL: rhklenke
So if I have an FS number for a color that I want, is it possible for a generic auto paint place, like one that sells PPG, to mix if for me off that number?
Bob
So if I have an FS number for a color that I want, is it possible for a generic auto paint place, like one that sells PPG, to mix if for me off that number?
Bob
Most likely not Bob. I tried that and they use a different system. What I did was buy the color in Model Master paints and spray a piece of 3x3 styrene with it and then take it to them. They then use their little device to scan the color and generate a color code for their system. Works well, just make sure you use a shiny finish, flat wont work. The device they use needs a reflective surface.
01-02-2011 | 06:36 AM
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RE: FS NUMBERS
ORIGINAL: ianober
Most likely not Bob. I tried that and they use a different system. What I did was buy the color in Model Master paints and spray a piece of 3x3 styrene with it and then take it to them. They then use their little device to scan the color and generate a color code for their system. Works well, just make sure you use a shiny finish, flat wont work. The device they use needs a reflective surface.
ORIGINAL: rhklenke
So if I have an FS number for a color that I want, is it possible for a generic auto paint place, like one that sells PPG, to mix if for me off that number?
Bob
So if I have an FS number for a color that I want, is it possible for a generic auto paint place, like one that sells PPG, to mix if for me off that number?
Bob
Most likely not Bob. I tried that and they use a different system. What I did was buy the color in Model Master paints and spray a piece of 3x3 styrene with it and then take it to them. They then use their little device to scan the color and generate a color code for their system. Works well, just make sure you use a shiny finish, flat wont work. The device they use needs a reflective surface.
Yep, we need a shiny surface for most colors for the prophet to work. The reason is the color library that the Prophet is pulling from is based from automotive colors. It compares the reflectance readings it sees to known automotive reflectance formula values. It finds (hopefully) a match and then the program dials it in from there. Scanning a flat finish usually gives us a "too far out for correction" message. The reflectance values are too far apart for the machine to work. It can also depend on the type of paint you want - i.e. if you do scan a flat finish and request DBC for instance and get the error message you can ask them to try it in DBI - that is the interior color prefix. Same paint, different prefix, so the Prophet will look for interior colors for the match (satin finishes) instead of exterior (gloss). This though asumes there is an interior color similar to what you want. Regardless, I can always scan the gloss version of the chip, generate a formula and then add flattener and dial the color in by eye. Applying a clear over the flat finish will usually deepen the color but it does give a decent starting point.
Dan
01-02-2011 | 06:55 AM
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RE: FS NUMBERS
ORIGINAL: SPLIT S
Yep, we need a shiny surface for most colors for the prophet to work. The reason is the color library that the Prophet is pulling from is based from automotive colors. It compares the reflectance readings it sees to known automotive reflectance formula values. It finds (hopefully) a match and then the program dials it in from there. Scanning a flat finish usually gives us a ''too far out for correction'' message. The reflectance values are too far apart for the machine to work. It can also depend on the type of paint you want - i.e. if you do scan a flat finish and request DBC for instance and get the error message you can ask them to try it in DBI - that is the interior color prefix. Same paint, different prefix, so the Prophet will look for interior colors for the match (satin finishes) instead of exterior (gloss). This though asumes there is an interior color similar to what you want. Regardless, I can always scan the gloss version of the chip, generate a formula and then add flattener and dial the color in by eye. Applying a clear over the flat finish will usually deepen the color but it does give a decent starting point.
Dan
Yep, we need a shiny surface for most colors for the prophet to work. The reason is the color library that the Prophet is pulling from is based from automotive colors. It compares the reflectance readings it sees to known automotive reflectance formula values. It finds (hopefully) a match and then the program dials it in from there. Scanning a flat finish usually gives us a ''too far out for correction'' message. The reflectance values are too far apart for the machine to work. It can also depend on the type of paint you want - i.e. if you do scan a flat finish and request DBC for instance and get the error message you can ask them to try it in DBI - that is the interior color prefix. Same paint, different prefix, so the Prophet will look for interior colors for the match (satin finishes) instead of exterior (gloss). This though asumes there is an interior color similar to what you want. Regardless, I can always scan the gloss version of the chip, generate a formula and then add flattener and dial the color in by eye. Applying a clear over the flat finish will usually deepen the color but it does give a decent starting point.
Dan
Good information, thanks! How about the paint matching system that Home Despot uses? I have a couple of airplanes that are flat and need some touch ups. I buddy told me that I could take a piece of the plane down to Home Despot and get it scanned for a matching paint color and get it in the latex sample cans that they offer. Does that have to be glossy too or can they scan it flat, any idea?
Bob
01-02-2011 | 07:15 AM
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RE: FS NUMBERS
They most certainly can do flat, and do it well. The reason is the library they pull from, thousands of latex flat finishes, there is sure to be something close to work from.
Dan
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01-03-2011 | 12:40 PM
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RE: FS NUMBERS
Hi,
I have the FS fan decks in stock, have also the 3X4 color chips. I´m using that color chips to mix the paints, the matt painted chips do work too. You have to make them wet (with spit). Have made the recipes for most FS colors. (using automotive Valspar base coat tints). If you are using a scanner, will work too. you have to make the flat surface wet. But the scanner is using a color library and will be not able to find recipes matching close to the color chips. sometimes you have to mix with help of your eyes...Blue, red, green and yellow work fine, but grey (and other camo scheme colors) will be a problem....
if you need help to find right matching FS colors, please let me know.
I have the FS fan decks in stock, have also the 3X4 color chips. I´m using that color chips to mix the paints, the matt painted chips do work too. You have to make them wet (with spit). Have made the recipes for most FS colors. (using automotive Valspar base coat tints). If you are using a scanner, will work too. you have to make the flat surface wet. But the scanner is using a color library and will be not able to find recipes matching close to the color chips. sometimes you have to mix with help of your eyes...Blue, red, green and yellow work fine, but grey (and other camo scheme colors) will be a problem....
if you need help to find right matching FS colors, please let me know.
01-03-2011 | 03:50 PM
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RE: FS NUMBERS
ORIGINAL: rhklenke
Dan,
Good information, thanks! How about the paint matching system that Home Despot uses? I have a couple of airplanes that are flat and need some touch ups. I buddy told me that I could take a piece of the plane down to Home Despot and get it scanned for a matching paint color and get it in the latex sample cans that they offer. Does that have to be glossy too or can they scan it flat, any idea?
Bob
ORIGINAL: SPLIT S
Yep, we need a shiny surface for most colors for the prophet to work. The reason is the color library that the Prophet is pulling from is based from automotive colors. It compares the reflectance readings it sees to known automotive reflectance formula values. It finds (hopefully) a match and then the program dials it in from there. Scanning a flat finish usually gives us a ''too far out for correction'' message. The reflectance values are too far apart for the machine to work. It can also depend on the type of paint you want - i.e. if you do scan a flat finish and request DBC for instance and get the error message you can ask them to try it in DBI - that is the interior color prefix. Same paint, different prefix, so the Prophet will look for interior colors for the match (satin finishes) instead of exterior (gloss). This though asumes there is an interior color similar to what you want. Regardless, I can always scan the gloss version of the chip, generate a formula and then add flattener and dial the color in by eye. Applying a clear over the flat finish will usually deepen the color but it does give a decent starting point.
Dan
Yep, we need a shiny surface for most colors for the prophet to work. The reason is the color library that the Prophet is pulling from is based from automotive colors. It compares the reflectance readings it sees to known automotive reflectance formula values. It finds (hopefully) a match and then the program dials it in from there. Scanning a flat finish usually gives us a ''too far out for correction'' message. The reflectance values are too far apart for the machine to work. It can also depend on the type of paint you want - i.e. if you do scan a flat finish and request DBC for instance and get the error message you can ask them to try it in DBI - that is the interior color prefix. Same paint, different prefix, so the Prophet will look for interior colors for the match (satin finishes) instead of exterior (gloss). This though asumes there is an interior color similar to what you want. Regardless, I can always scan the gloss version of the chip, generate a formula and then add flattener and dial the color in by eye. Applying a clear over the flat finish will usually deepen the color but it does give a decent starting point.
Dan
Good information, thanks! How about the paint matching system that Home Despot uses? I have a couple of airplanes that are flat and need some touch ups. I buddy told me that I could take a piece of the plane down to Home Despot and get it scanned for a matching paint color and get it in the latex sample cans that they offer. Does that have to be glossy too or can they scan it flat, any idea?
Bob
I have done this too and it worked very well. Latex is very easy to match, used the same method, painted styrene swatches and had them matched.
01-03-2011 | 07:42 PM
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RE: FS NUMBERS
You can order the deck from the US Government at this web site. A definite must for competing in US scale competitions.
http://apps.fas.gsa.gov/pub/fedspecs/
http://apps.fas.gsa.gov/pub/fedspecs/
