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Modeler or ARfer?
01-11-2012 | 07:01 AM
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RE: Modeler or ARfer?
ORIGINAL: FILE IFR
... I'm with you on this , 20 to 30 hours for a .40/60. sized ARF is the norm.
... I'm with you on this , 20 to 30 hours for a .40/60. sized ARF is the norm.
I just started rebuilding a .60 Revolver, and I know there's going to be a couple of hundred hours in doing a silk and dope finish. Many man days will be spent on just surface prep/sanding. Another 8 hours or so cutting out all the cloth hinges needed and doping them down, another few filling and feathering the cloth hinge edges, etc, etc....and it won't even have any actual covering on it yet.
01-11-2012 | 07:12 AM
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Hi Cutaway,
I think you just started a covering war. You are going to get guys asking you, why spend so much time on a covering like that when you can use Ultracote or Monokote and be done with it. I know what you are talking about, because I use to and still sometimes do, use Silk to cover with. Just my 2 cents input. Good luck and WAY TO GO........
Larry
I think you just started a covering war. You are going to get guys asking you, why spend so much time on a covering like that when you can use Ultracote or Monokote and be done with it. I know what you are talking about, because I use to and still sometimes do, use Silk to cover with. Just my 2 cents input. Good luck and WAY TO GO........
Larry
01-11-2012 | 07:36 AM
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ORIGINAL: cutaway
Maybe if you recover with some iron on covering and don't have any elaborate trim detail.
I just started rebuilding a .60 Revolver, and I know there's going to be a couple of hundred hours in doing a silk and dope finish. Many man days will be spent on just surface prep/sanding. Another 8 hours or so cutting out all the cloth hinges needed and doping them down, another few filling and feathering the cloth hinge edges, etc, etc....and it won't even have any actual covering on it yet.
ORIGINAL: FILE IFR
... I'm with you on this , 20 to 30 hours for a .40/60. sized ARF is the norm.
... I'm with you on this , 20 to 30 hours for a .40/60. sized ARF is the norm.
I just started rebuilding a .60 Revolver, and I know there's going to be a couple of hundred hours in doing a silk and dope finish. Many man days will be spent on just surface prep/sanding. Another 8 hours or so cutting out all the cloth hinges needed and doping them down, another few filling and feathering the cloth hinge edges, etc, etc....and it won't even have any actual covering on it yet.
I did not say a thing, but I am still waiting my prop-tree to grow. Needs one more year, and I can carve my prop...
A couple of HUNDRED hours for a covering? Let's see, IF we work 3 days per week on this, let's say 3 hours. 3x3=9 hours per week. 300 divided by 9 is 33 weeks... No, I pass... I would have that toy in the air in 2 weeks tops...
But, some are into this to fly, some are not. What ever makes you happy... some of us work, some not, and they have to do something with their time... That's the nice thing of this hobby. there is something for everybody.
Gerry
01-11-2012 | 08:06 AM
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What I have found to be fun lately is to re-do ARF's. A semi-scale ARF can be made to look more scale in outline and, with new covering applied, looks like a scratch built jewel. You have the benefit of a pre-built aircraft and get the accolades from your none-the-wiser peers.......best of both worlds.
01-11-2012 | 08:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: Desertlakesflying
I guess 2 years and countless hours to RE-build an ARF brand new out of a box to make it look scale doesn't count.
I guess 2 years and countless hours to RE-build an ARF brand new out of a box to make it look scale doesn't count.
01-11-2012 | 08:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: GerKonig
A couple of HUNDRED hours for a covering?
A couple of HUNDRED hours for a covering?
01-11-2012 | 08:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: TBONE6
So how can an ARF beat a scratch build in competition? Just a newb asking a question.
So how can an ARF beat a scratch build in competition? Just a newb asking a question.
01-11-2012 | 11:54 AM
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RE: Modeler or ARfer?
ORIGINAL: cutaway
Some events don't have any appearance points or scale fidelity judging and just go on flight performances and pilot skill. Well setup and trimmed out ARFs can be (and are) very competitive in those events. ex. Q-500 racing.
ORIGINAL: TBONE6
So how can an ARF beat a scratch build in competition? Just a newb asking a question.
So how can an ARF beat a scratch build in competition? Just a newb asking a question.
01-11-2012 | 12:25 PM
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From: Mattoon,
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I'm a modeler. I write one big check, have guys and gals pick the best of the best, build/assemble(don't care)and then hire the best to fly it. I get the phone call in Barbados at sunset, criticize everyone, collect the big check from the advertiser. 
01-11-2012 | 12:36 PM
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TROLL bait? I don't understand what that means. I for one build and fly model airplanes. This forum stuff is a little bit out of my area, but trying to learn. I do enjoy the comments that is made on some of these threads.
01-11-2012 | 12:59 PM
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RE: Modeler or ARfer?
ORIGINAL: TimBle
when I see the trash can is full I throw the contents out. I don't recycle it in my garage...
But it seems, like poorly trained dogs, some like to drag the trash back into the house from time to time.
Someone said it earlier, if the scratch built got beat by an ARF then perhaps the modeller isn't a modeller but an assembler. A modeller is someone who can manufacture and assemble to a level of detail thats higher than a mass producer can acheive because;
they have the time
they have the passion
they have the ability
If ARF beats Scratch built, then perhaps its time to admit that you're not any good as a modeller or the person who created the ARF is one heck of a modeller.
But every once in a while some self righteous needle needs to start up a thread bashing others choices on how they practice their hobby
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ORIGINAL: Deno48
So why did you read it and then post in it
ORIGINAL: TimBle
This is a stupid thread and should not be entained.
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This is a stupid thread and should not be entained.
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when I see the trash can is full I throw the contents out. I don't recycle it in my garage...
But it seems, like poorly trained dogs, some like to drag the trash back into the house from time to time.
Someone said it earlier, if the scratch built got beat by an ARF then perhaps the modeller isn't a modeller but an assembler. A modeller is someone who can manufacture and assemble to a level of detail thats higher than a mass producer can acheive because;
they have the time
they have the passion
they have the ability
If ARF beats Scratch built, then perhaps its time to admit that you're not any good as a modeller or the person who created the ARF is one heck of a modeller.
But every once in a while some self righteous needle needs to start up a thread bashing others choices on how they practice their hobby
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01-11-2012 | 02:12 PM
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RE: Modeler or ARfer?
Both! You give a complex ARF to someone that is not a modler and well you know what will happen. As Harry Higley says in his book... they are not "Almost Ready to Fly". I've built a few kits and really love it but don't have shop space right now nor time. I hope to change both soon. I'm working on a couple of ARF's and love getting them that someone has either crashed or given up on and bring it back to life. Done that a few times. Best one was a $10 H9 80" Cub. I love them all. As far as awards for AFR's that really should be separate category to be fair. 20 hours vs. 200 not really the same thing.
Jim
Jim
01-11-2012 | 03:13 PM
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RE: Modeler or ARfer?
ORIGINAL: cubfloater
Sorry, just now saw this was re: rc jets. I'm not that and my hat's off to you guys!
Sorry, just now saw this was re: rc jets. I'm not that and my hat's off to you guys!
01-11-2012 | 03:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: invertmast
A wise man once told me ''if you don't like the party, don't go back''
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It takes one to know one when it comes the jet forums................Blowing smoke in the jet forums is par for the course, and most of the posters are shooting eagles...........
It takes one to know one when it comes the jet forums................Blowing smoke in the jet forums is par for the course, and most of the posters are shooting eagles...........
A wise man once told me ''if you don't like the party, don't go back''
Dr. Phil: "If you don't like the players on the jet forums, why do you keep checking in with angry posts?"
"They don't harrass you, so do you think it's appropriate to harrass them?"
01-11-2012 | 03:46 PM
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I am in Denver and it is fun. Several years ago when Denver went to the Super Bowl, Joe Rizzo lived across the street from us and that was probably just as fun.
I have assembled some ARF's and some kits and some scratch builds. Currently building a F-94C from scratch, no kits or ARFs available. I don't really care what I am called, I just get the most enjoyment from the scratch builds.
I have assembled some ARF's and some kits and some scratch builds. Currently building a F-94C from scratch, no kits or ARFs available. I don't really care what I am called, I just get the most enjoyment from the scratch builds.
01-11-2012 | 04:00 PM
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RE: Modeler or ARfer?
ORIGINAL: invertmast
A wise man once told me ''if you don't like the party, don't go back''
ORIGINAL: Desertlakesflying
It takes one to know one when it comes the jet forums................Blowing smoke in the jet forums is par for the course, and most of the posters are shooting eagles...........
ORIGINAL: FILE IFR
Schneider, if you frequent this jet section often, you'll quickly realize the poster blows quite a bit of smoke when posting.
... I'm with you on this , 20 to 30 hours for a .40/60. sized ARF is the norm.
ORIGINAL: mschneider2005
Airplanes400
I think you may have added too many 0's in your estimated number of hours you spend upgrading a 40-60 size ARF. 20 to 30 hours is reasonable but 200 to 300 hours. C'mon Man!
ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
Due to all this work, I usually spend 200 to 300 hours on a .40~.60 sized ARF so that it will last many years. Therefore, I do want to point out that building an ARF correctly is just as much work, or more, than putting together a kit. With that in mind, if you build and ARF correctly, you are in fact, a builder. If you just assemble them in the 15 ~ 20 hours they 'suggest' then you are an ARFer and your ARF will usually not last a single season.
I can't tell you how many ARF'ers I've seen who wonder why their ARF crashed before they got a dozen flights out of it. Makes me laugh so hard!
ORIGINAL: Ron Stahl
Are you a modeler or an ARFer? I'm a modeler by profession and by choice in our hobby and always will be. You are a modeler if you have built a few planes from plans, scratch, or from a kit. ARF's are not kits no matter what some people try to imply. Sorry flame suit on.
Are you a modeler or an ARFer? I'm a modeler by profession and by choice in our hobby and always will be. You are a modeler if you have built a few planes from plans, scratch, or from a kit. ARF's are not kits no matter what some people try to imply. Sorry flame suit on.
I can't tell you how many ARF'ers I've seen who wonder why their ARF crashed before they got a dozen flights out of it. Makes me laugh so hard!
Airplanes400
I think you may have added too many 0's in your estimated number of hours you spend upgrading a 40-60 size ARF. 20 to 30 hours is reasonable but 200 to 300 hours. C'mon Man!
Schneider, if you frequent this jet section often, you'll quickly realize the poster blows quite a bit of smoke when posting.
... I'm with you on this , 20 to 30 hours for a .40/60. sized ARF is the norm.
A wise man once told me ''if you don't like the party, don't go back''
01-11-2012 | 04:34 PM
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RE: Modeler or ARfer?
ORIGINAL: InboundLZ
So, what I am hearing is this:
The guy who goes to home depot, buys a bunch of blue core foam and scratch builds a scale jet that at best leaves a lot to be desired is a '' modeler ''
The guy who shows up with a BVM Ultra Bandit ARF, that has been expertly built, with a super clean radio install, painted trays, custom made do-dads, completely fitted out cockpit with pilots, and a full lighting package....with not so much as a drop of glue or blemish anywhere is a ''ARFer''?
That about right?
So, what I am hearing is this:
The guy who goes to home depot, buys a bunch of blue core foam and scratch builds a scale jet that at best leaves a lot to be desired is a '' modeler ''
The guy who shows up with a BVM Ultra Bandit ARF, that has been expertly built, with a super clean radio install, painted trays, custom made do-dads, completely fitted out cockpit with pilots, and a full lighting package....with not so much as a drop of glue or blemish anywhere is a ''ARFer''?
That about right?
YEP!!!
01-11-2012 | 07:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: Desertlakesflying
Because there are a few people that actually have something to contribute...........The smoke blowers get blocked because they are as pointless as they are useless.....
Because there are a few people that actually have something to contribute...........The smoke blowers get blocked because they are as pointless as they are useless.....
Unfortunately, from what I have seen, you seem to only join the 10% smoke blowing threads and never have anything positive to say. I can't find anywhere in your history where you've *ever* posted in a thread with any useful information. Perhaps I'm missing something, and you could enlighten me as to your contributions...
Bob
