Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
05-24-2013, 09:42 AM
#126
RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
Awesome save, glad it didn't hit anyone. Now for a Funny side, let's pick on the camera man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dechvhb0Meo
Ralph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dechvhb0Meo
Ralph
ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews
Here is the video Boli made showing how bad the damage is. Again, must be the save of the century!
Here is the video Boli made showing how bad the damage is. Again, must be the save of the century!
05-24-2013, 09:49 AM
#127
RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
ORIGINAL: RCFlyerDan
Wow! THere is still a lot of ignoraces here on the purchase of the product! Guys!!Keep on buying the FEJ product, so that you can keep this forum going ON and ON and ON! You are truly becoming the ignorant consumer to continue to by a pretty ''Army overhaul'', and think that it will hold up to a true test of Aerodynamics. How often does CARF or BVM make the headlines of RCU on more then 1-4 forums, especially of coming apart in the air?
QUIT BUYING THE PRODUCT AND PRETTY PICTURE IN THE WINDOW!!
TRULY TIRED OF YOU, AS THE CONSUMER, MAKING THE WRONG MISTAKE TO BUY THE ''PRETTY PUPPY IN THE WINDOW''!!!!
Wow! THere is still a lot of ignoraces here on the purchase of the product! Guys!!Keep on buying the FEJ product, so that you can keep this forum going ON and ON and ON! You are truly becoming the ignorant consumer to continue to by a pretty ''Army overhaul'', and think that it will hold up to a true test of Aerodynamics. How often does CARF or BVM make the headlines of RCU on more then 1-4 forums, especially of coming apart in the air?
QUIT BUYING THE PRODUCT AND PRETTY PICTURE IN THE WINDOW!!
TRULY TIRED OF YOU, AS THE CONSUMER, MAKING THE WRONG MISTAKE TO BUY THE ''PRETTY PUPPY IN THE WINDOW''!!!!
Wow!! The Buyers' will not learn!! This is a matter of survival of the fittest, and the American way. You guys are fu*ked up to continue to buy this product and fly it!! UNLESS you have modified the airframe with CF and other stuctual strenghts.
05-24-2013, 09:50 AM
#128
RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
ORIGINAL: gunradd
Tam your system is all good and solid. You dont have the twisting force on the servo case. You pin slides on the servo horn itself. The flyeagle system is the opposite.
The flyeagle system has that pin installed on the servo. The sliding slot is on the elevator. This puts a twisting force on the servo top. Also servo is installed a little ways from the elevator making the pin even longer to reach inside.
ORIGINAL: tamjets
Kris,
They got some right idea. But was wrong how it final install.
My 1/8 scale F-16 rudder had internal linkage system done that way. Very solid system. It will work for F-14. The servo arm need to had sliding pocket closet to the center of the servo at neutral positon. That give max holding power and almost zero slop play.
Look through page 16-23 how I had my rudder done. This is good mechanical set up for elevator too. Just need done with metal servo arm for bigger model.
ORIGINAL: gunradd
Tam here are a few pics of what they use now. They use a shaft driven from the servo directly into the elevator. This will put an insane load onto the servo topcase and bearing. Its a total joke and will cause the servo to wear out very fast. To make matters worse the servo gets installed from the backside pushing it even further from the flight control it self putting an even greater load onto it.
ORIGINAL: tamjets
How is your direct linkage system was done? You had a photos of it. I like to see is that done right.
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The F18 was shipped with directly drive on his model. If you want to change it to be mechanism system , you will need to change complete bulkhead former design. We do not recommend customer to change himself.
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Kris,
They got some right idea. But was wrong how it final install.
My 1/8 scale F-16 rudder had internal linkage system done that way. Very solid system. It will work for F-14. The servo arm need to had sliding pocket closet to the center of the servo at neutral positon. That give max holding power and almost zero slop play.
Look through page 16-23 how I had my rudder done. This is good mechanical set up for elevator too. Just need done with metal servo arm for bigger model.
The flyeagle system has that pin installed on the servo. The sliding slot is on the elevator. This puts a twisting force on the servo top. Also servo is installed a little ways from the elevator making the pin even longer to reach inside.
The pin be on the surface solid.
05-24-2013, 09:50 AM
#129
RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
Tam this is exactly how I setup my f-14 and f-15, some people worry saying this will cause binding issues but I always check my setups with amp meter to make sure the servo has no binding and I never have. I think they says its a geometry issue or something, thanks for posting
ORIGINAL: tamjets
Here what I see with this set up was wrong. If you had this lingkage set up. I bet on anything it will flutter. Regardless which manufactures making the jets.
If you don't want your plane to be next hot topic.
Get it done right.
At least this resolve one of the linkage flutter problem.
Here what I see with this set up was wrong. If you had this lingkage set up. I bet on anything it will flutter. Regardless which manufactures making the jets.
If you don't want your plane to be next hot topic.
Get it done right.
At least this resolve one of the linkage flutter problem.
05-24-2013, 10:10 AM
#131
RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
ORIGINAL: FenderBean
Tam this is exactly how I setup my f-14 and f-15, some people worry saying this will cause binding issues but I always check my setups with amp meter to make sure the servo has no binding and I never have. I think they says its a geometry issue or something, thanks for posting
Tam this is exactly how I setup my f-14 and f-15, some people worry saying this will cause binding issues but I always check my setups with amp meter to make sure the servo has no binding and I never have. I think they says its a geometry issue or something, thanks for posting
ORIGINAL: tamjets
Here what I see with this set up was wrong. If you had this lingkage set up. I bet on anything it will flutter. Regardless which manufactures making the jets.
If you don't want your plane to be next hot topic.
Get it done right.
At least this resolve one of the linkage flutter problem.
Here what I see with this set up was wrong. If you had this lingkage set up. I bet on anything it will flutter. Regardless which manufactures making the jets.
If you don't want your plane to be next hot topic.
Get it done right.
At least this resolve one of the linkage flutter problem.
The hole idea had mechanical advantage is reduce sloppy play from the servo to the surface.
05-24-2013, 10:29 AM
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First thing that caught my attention in the video was "2 Jet Central Rhinos" . I thought holy cow!, this thing is a monster so I went to FEJ's website to see just how big it is. Largest F18 I can find on their site is a 1/6 scale that recommends 45-51lbs of thrust. Is this the model that was equipped with 2 Rhinos?
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05-24-2013, 10:48 AM
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RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
Tam I think one of the reasons these guys have a problem is they feel the need to run "pull pull" (for lack of a batter term) pushrods.
With 2 pushrods you have to have the horns equal length.
I agree with you. I run the ATV way up and make sure I have just enough surface throw. Longest surface arm I can use and then get the correct surface throw by adjusting the servo arm.
With 2 pushrods you have to have the horns equal length.
I agree with you. I run the ATV way up and make sure I have just enough surface throw. Longest surface arm I can use and then get the correct surface throw by adjusting the servo arm.
05-24-2013, 10:57 AM
#134
RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
ORIGINAL: FenderBean
I am not trying to start a fight here, but I have said this plenty of times. I personally only like scale jets, and I dont like any of those jets. If BVM had a 1/7 scale F-15, 1/6-1/5 scale F-16 any size scale F-14 and a large scale f-18 I would have tried to buy from bvm, so until someone here in the US starts producing something other than these listed we are stuck buying from overseas companies to get the jets we like.
And as for grounding the fleet, if you do this every time something fails, not a single jet out there will be allowed to fly. Pilot error is still the number 1 cause of crashes
I am not trying to start a fight here, but I have said this plenty of times. I personally only like scale jets, and I dont like any of those jets. If BVM had a 1/7 scale F-15, 1/6-1/5 scale F-16 any size scale F-14 and a large scale f-18 I would have tried to buy from bvm, so until someone here in the US starts producing something other than these listed we are stuck buying from overseas companies to get the jets we like.
And as for grounding the fleet, if you do this every time something fails, not a single jet out there will be allowed to fly. Pilot error is still the number 1 cause of crashes
ORIGINAL: ravill
BVM makes EXACTLY 8 scale jets.
1. ''little'' F-86
2. ''Big'' f-86
3. t-33
4. f-80
5. Mig-15
6. F-4 Phantom
7. F-100D
8. F-100F
Not to mention all the scale jets Comp ARF or Skymaster makes with a steadfast reputation.
Take your pick and stop endangering our hobby.
I'm at the point of taking personal offense to YOUR (and everyone else who continues to fly FEJ) moronic, lackadaisical and ignorant approach to what has proved, over and over and over again, to be unsafe airframes. These flying paper mache ''jets'' will kill someone and take my beloved RC Jet hobby away from me. And yes, I will take it personally.
To the OP, great save! Time to take all the stuff out of that airplane and put it into a safe airplane. Lesson learned huh?!
ORIGINAL: Wap4life
I would love to buy BVM as soon as they make something other than a F4 to fly. Don't like the sports jets.
I would love to buy BVM as soon as they make something other than a F4 to fly. Don't like the sports jets.
1. ''little'' F-86
2. ''Big'' f-86
3. t-33
4. f-80
5. Mig-15
6. F-4 Phantom
7. F-100D
8. F-100F
Not to mention all the scale jets Comp ARF or Skymaster makes with a steadfast reputation.
Take your pick and stop endangering our hobby.
I'm at the point of taking personal offense to YOUR (and everyone else who continues to fly FEJ) moronic, lackadaisical and ignorant approach to what has proved, over and over and over again, to be unsafe airframes. These flying paper mache ''jets'' will kill someone and take my beloved RC Jet hobby away from me. And yes, I will take it personally.
To the OP, great save! Time to take all the stuff out of that airplane and put it into a safe airplane. Lesson learned huh?!
05-24-2013, 10:58 AM
#135
RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
ORIGINAL: RCFlyerDan
I want to know what Dumb***** has been ignorate enough to purchase a number of production or kit of the new G-V that they are putting on the market!! You guys' just aren't learning, and will buy FEJ's next latest and greatest jet.
I want to know what Dumb***** has been ignorate enough to purchase a number of production or kit of the new G-V that they are putting on the market!! You guys' just aren't learning, and will buy FEJ's next latest and greatest jet.
So?????????? Who has bought one? And think that it will hold up? Beautiful desk model for an owner in his Office!!!
05-24-2013, 11:21 AM
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3 in one year out of hundreds sold. So we need to ask how many jets they sell in a year, correct?? How many other jets go in in a years time. Now, wouldn't that be interesting to know?? Doesn't matter how made/built it, but just how many go boom in a year........ Interesting
ORIGINAL: David Searles
I, for one, have never made any statement regarding "all FEJ to be grounded". After seeing video and photo evidence of three HC constructed jets experiencing catastrophic flutter failure in flight within the last year, including one built by FEJ themselves, I believe there is valid cause for concern regarding the structural integrity of these aircraft as provided by FEJ.
David S
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Why say ''ALL'' FEJ to be grounded?? Do YOU know for a FACT that ALL are faulty????? If you say ''yes'' Please provide ALL documents!!
Why say ''ALL'' FEJ to be grounded?? Do YOU know for a FACT that ALL are faulty????? If you say ''yes'' Please provide ALL documents!!
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05-24-2013, 11:25 AM
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Why? Why do I have to have full travel?? This doesn't say anything of flutter, Just says you now have full travel..... Please explain....
ORIGINAL: tamjets
Here what I see with this set up was wrong. If you had this lingkage set up. I bet on anything it will flutter. Regardless which manufactures making the jets.
If you don't want your plane to be next hot topic.
Get it done right.
At least this resolve one of the linkage flutter problem.
Here what I see with this set up was wrong. If you had this lingkage set up. I bet on anything it will flutter. Regardless which manufactures making the jets.
If you don't want your plane to be next hot topic.
Get it done right.
At least this resolve one of the linkage flutter problem.
05-24-2013, 11:30 AM
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RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
LOL..ROF..... easy there...... by your words YOU will endangering it and the ignorant one by your commit. You can't tell people what to fly and what not to! If you don't like it pack up and leave, that simple. Your commit is out of line and so are you!!
ORIGINAL: ravill
BVM makes EXACTLY 8 scale jets.
1. "little" F-86
2. "Big" f-86
3. t-33
4. f-80
5. Mig-15
6. F-4 Phantom
7. F-100D
8. F-100F
Not to mention all the scale jets Comp ARF or Skymaster makes with a steadfast reputation.
Take your pick and stop endangering our hobby.
I'm at the point of taking personal offense to YOUR (and everyone else who continues to fly FEJ) moronic, lackadaisical and ignorant approach to what has proved, over and over and over again, to be unsafe airframes. These flying paper mache "jets" will kill someone and take my beloved RC Jet hobby away from me. And yes, I will take it personally.
To the OP, great save! Time to take all the stuff out of that airplane and put it into a safe airplane. Lesson learned huh?!
ORIGINAL: Wap4life
I would love to buy BVM as soon as they make something other than a F4 to fly. Don't like the sports jets.
I would love to buy BVM as soon as they make something other than a F4 to fly. Don't like the sports jets.
1. "little" F-86
2. "Big" f-86
3. t-33
4. f-80
5. Mig-15
6. F-4 Phantom
7. F-100D
8. F-100F
Not to mention all the scale jets Comp ARF or Skymaster makes with a steadfast reputation.
Take your pick and stop endangering our hobby.
I'm at the point of taking personal offense to YOUR (and everyone else who continues to fly FEJ) moronic, lackadaisical and ignorant approach to what has proved, over and over and over again, to be unsafe airframes. These flying paper mache "jets" will kill someone and take my beloved RC Jet hobby away from me. And yes, I will take it personally.
To the OP, great save! Time to take all the stuff out of that airplane and put it into a safe airplane. Lesson learned huh?!
05-24-2013, 11:39 AM
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RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
ORIGINAL: mr_matt
Tam I think one of the reasons these guys have a problem is they feel the need to run ''pull pull'' (for lack of a batter term) pushrods.
With 2 pushrods you have to have the horns equal length.
I agree with you. I run the ATV way up and make sure I have just enough surface throw. Longest surface arm I can use and then get the correct surface throw by adjusting the servo arm.
Tam I think one of the reasons these guys have a problem is they feel the need to run ''pull pull'' (for lack of a batter term) pushrods.
With 2 pushrods you have to have the horns equal length.
I agree with you. I run the ATV way up and make sure I have just enough surface throw. Longest surface arm I can use and then get the correct surface throw by adjusting the servo arm.
05-24-2013, 11:39 AM
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RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
If anyone can post a picture of the F-18 stab taken like this one of the F-14 I can calculate the pivot location with respect to the MAC.
The LMA inspector for the AMA should have already done this if this plane went for LTMA certification.
The LMA inspector for the AMA should have already done this if this plane went for LTMA certification.
05-24-2013, 11:40 AM
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ORIGINAL: Grodus
First thing that caught my attention in the video was ''2 Jet Central Rhinos'' . I thought holy cow!, this thing is a monster so I went to FEJ's website to see just how big it is. Largest F18 I can find on their site is a 1/6 scale that recommends 45-51lbs of thrust. Is this the model that was equipped with 2 Rhinos?
Cody
First thing that caught my attention in the video was ''2 Jet Central Rhinos'' . I thought holy cow!, this thing is a monster so I went to FEJ's website to see just how big it is. Largest F18 I can find on their site is a 1/6 scale that recommends 45-51lbs of thrust. Is this the model that was equipped with 2 Rhinos?
Cody
05-24-2013, 11:57 AM
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Skymaster makes a 1/7 scale f15 and a 1/6 scale super hornet?
ORIGINAL: dubd
Then buy Skymaster, buy Tomahawk, buy Scale-Jets, buy Aviation Design. You said you bought FEJ because it was less expensive. You get what you pay for. And before anyone throws that back at me, I bought the FEJ F-14 because it was the only one available, not because of price.
ORIGINAL: FenderBean
I am not trying to start a fight here, but I have said this plenty of times. I personally only like scale jets, and I dont like any of those jets. If BVM had a 1/7 scale F-15, 1/6-1/5 scale F-16 any size scale F-14 and a large scale f-18 I would have tried to buy from bvm, so until someone here in the US starts producing something other than these listed we are stuck buying from overseas companies to get the jets we like.
And as for grounding the fleet, if you do this every time something fails, not a single jet out there will be allowed to fly. Pilot error is still the number 1 cause of crashes
I am not trying to start a fight here, but I have said this plenty of times. I personally only like scale jets, and I dont like any of those jets. If BVM had a 1/7 scale F-15, 1/6-1/5 scale F-16 any size scale F-14 and a large scale f-18 I would have tried to buy from bvm, so until someone here in the US starts producing something other than these listed we are stuck buying from overseas companies to get the jets we like.
And as for grounding the fleet, if you do this every time something fails, not a single jet out there will be allowed to fly. Pilot error is still the number 1 cause of crashes
ORIGINAL: ravill
BVM makes EXACTLY 8 scale jets.
1. ''little'' F-86
2. ''Big'' f-86
3. t-33
4. f-80
5. Mig-15
6. F-4 Phantom
7. F-100D
8. F-100F
Not to mention all the scale jets Comp ARF or Skymaster makes with a steadfast reputation.
Take your pick and stop endangering our hobby.
I'm at the point of taking personal offense to YOUR (and everyone else who continues to fly FEJ) moronic, lackadaisical and ignorant approach to what has proved, over and over and over again, to be unsafe airframes. These flying paper mache ''jets'' will kill someone and take my beloved RC Jet hobby away from me. And yes, I will take it personally.
To the OP, great save! Time to take all the stuff out of that airplane and put it into a safe airplane. Lesson learned huh?!
ORIGINAL: Wap4life
I would love to buy BVM as soon as they make something other than a F4 to fly. Don't like the sports jets.
I would love to buy BVM as soon as they make something other than a F4 to fly. Don't like the sports jets.
1. ''little'' F-86
2. ''Big'' f-86
3. t-33
4. f-80
5. Mig-15
6. F-4 Phantom
7. F-100D
8. F-100F
Not to mention all the scale jets Comp ARF or Skymaster makes with a steadfast reputation.
Take your pick and stop endangering our hobby.
I'm at the point of taking personal offense to YOUR (and everyone else who continues to fly FEJ) moronic, lackadaisical and ignorant approach to what has proved, over and over and over again, to be unsafe airframes. These flying paper mache ''jets'' will kill someone and take my beloved RC Jet hobby away from me. And yes, I will take it personally.
To the OP, great save! Time to take all the stuff out of that airplane and put it into a safe airplane. Lesson learned huh?!
05-24-2013, 12:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: gjhinshaw
3 in one year out of hundreds sold. So we need to ask how many jets they sell in a year, correct?? How many other jets go in in a years time. Now, wouldn't that be interesting to know?? Doesn't matter how made/built it, but just how many go boom in a year........ Interesting
3 in one year out of hundreds sold. So we need to ask how many jets they sell in a year, correct?? How many other jets go in in a years time. Now, wouldn't that be interesting to know?? Doesn't matter how made/built it, but just how many go boom in a year........ Interesting
ORIGINAL: David Searles
I, for one, have never made any statement regarding ''all FEJ to be grounded''. After seeing video and photo evidence of three HC constructed jets experiencing catastrophic flutter failure in flight within the last year, including one built by FEJ themselves, I believe there is valid cause for concern regarding the structural integrity of these aircraft as provided by FEJ.
David S
ORIGINAL: gjhinshaw
Why say ''ALL'' FEJ to be grounded?? Do YOU know for a FACT that ALL are faulty????? If you say ''yes'' Please provide ALL documents!!
Why say ''ALL'' FEJ to be grounded?? Do YOU know for a FACT that ALL are faulty????? If you say ''yes'' Please provide ALL documents!!
David S
FAA groundings, or mfg recalls are not made because they "know" every other aircraft or product has the same problem. In many cases it is simply because evidence has been shown they there "MAY" be problems, and therefore need to be checked before future use. When human lives are at stake it is always better to be safe than sorry. Just because there is not a human pilot in our jets does not relieve us of the responsibility to protect life and limb.
Since you brought it up, exactly how many jets of these type would you need to see flutter and "go in" before you thought "wait a minute, there may be a problem here?" Maybe we should do something?
Smoldering batteries on two 787s, prompted authorities to ground the planes in January. Approx 100 had been delivered.
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05-24-2013, 12:13 PM
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Now, if you need complete Stuff to repair and change, we can send stuffs to you by emailing us.
Now, if you need complete Stuff to repair and change, we can send stuffs to you by emailing us.
Thanks
These are the statements that drive me nuts......... If you need complete stuff to repair and change.......... is that not a backhanded admission that there is a problem but it's up to the customer to fix it IF they ask for new parts? I don't get it, why is it acceptable for an airframe to need fixes to be safe, why are they not safe right from the start?
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05-24-2013, 12:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: ravill
BVM makes EXACTLY 8 scale jets.
1. "little" F-86
2. "Big" f-86
3. t-33
4. f-80
5. Mig-15
6. F-4 Phantom
7. F-100D
8. F-100F
Not to mention all the scale jets Comp ARF or Skymaster makes with a steadfast reputation.
Take your pick and stop endangering our hobby.
I'm at the point of taking personal offense to YOUR (and everyone else who continues to fly FEJ) moronic, lackadaisical and ignorant approach to what has proved, over and over and over again, to be unsafe airframes. These flying paper mache "jets" will kill someone and take my beloved RC Jet hobby away from me. And yes, I will take it personally.
To the OP, great save! Time to take all the stuff out of that airplane and put it into a safe airplane. Lesson learned huh?!
ORIGINAL: Wap4life
I would love to buy BVM as soon as they make something other than a F4 to fly. Don't like the sports jets.
I would love to buy BVM as soon as they make something other than a F4 to fly. Don't like the sports jets.
1. "little" F-86
2. "Big" f-86
3. t-33
4. f-80
5. Mig-15
6. F-4 Phantom
7. F-100D
8. F-100F
Not to mention all the scale jets Comp ARF or Skymaster makes with a steadfast reputation.
Take your pick and stop endangering our hobby.
I'm at the point of taking personal offense to YOUR (and everyone else who continues to fly FEJ) moronic, lackadaisical and ignorant approach to what has proved, over and over and over again, to be unsafe airframes. These flying paper mache "jets" will kill someone and take my beloved RC Jet hobby away from me. And yes, I will take it personally.
To the OP, great save! Time to take all the stuff out of that airplane and put it into a safe airplane. Lesson learned huh?!
Let me correct my bvm statement about jets. When they start making, f-16, mig 29, tomcat and f-18 or a-10 then i will gladely buy one.
Once again the people constantly breaking the weight rules and speed rules will also take my beloved rc jet hbby away from me. I also take it personal.
Are51- We were talking about BVM. Is BVM and Skymaster the same company?
05-24-2013, 12:27 PM
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RE: Emergency safety alert: FEJ big F-18F Superhornet
I don't see grounding ALL of there jets as some people say to do, Just the ones that are coming apart. To ground a whole factory is not likely but those jets that are having the issues. Do you think its the bigger models? They are making them TO LIGHT? I think they are to light and this is causing them the issues. To me they need to be built like a IMAC plane, on the heavy side with more ply and sorts. Lighter isn't always better!