Originally Posted by myersflyers

Pablo,
When can we start ordering the Rebel and what's the expected availability in the USA. REALLY like this one, super nice lines throughout, like a much refined futura.
Thanks,
Keith

Originally Posted by pbusa1400

We are taking pre-orders already. Expected delivery date is mid January.
Please contact me for more info.

Originally Posted by DiscoWings

I have owned 9 comp-arf aircraft, here the most common issues with Composite arf planes:

1, Glue not fully applied to formers, joints and other areas properly, this happens all to common, Com-arf uses this fiberglass/epoxy mix that is very brittle and has a tendency to chip away, many times I have seen an arf with partially missing glue, sometimes its easy to fix, sometimes not. I was about to get the skygate hawk, but then i saw one in person... F that... compared to the perfect seams of the tomahawk, no way I'll save up for the tomahawk (and pay $250.00 just for the packing boxes )

2, Oversize servo holes or sometimes missing, one of the biggest pains is composite arf stubbornness with oversized servo mounting holes, they claim there CNC machine can't do anything smaller than 2mm (which is crap because 1mm bits are readily available every where), so you are forced you to use there fat over-sized philips screws for mounting servos. If you aren't using JR servos well than tuff because the servo pocket and mounting screws are only sized for 8711 servos and are too big for hitech/futaba. Common sense would say, make the servo pocket fit futaba/Hitec and allow the modeler to enlarge if they need to put in a bigger servo. I have also had planes where the servo holes were missing, wouldn't be so bad if they were all missing (as I usually need to fill them and make new ones for hitech/futaba servos) but in this case, you have 1 out of the 4 missing so its just added work.

3, Careless Design, Composite-Arf frequently has these insane building techniques and some of these aren't even explained int he manual: case in point the Servos on the Carf P-47, the instructions say you have to cut a screw driver, add a brass rod about 24" and then re- braze where by extended the screw driver it to install servos... WHAT?? Don't even get me started on the composite arf 3.0meter yak, that's double hellish. On jets like the comp-arf Ultra Lightning, installing the Flap servo is IMPOSSIBLE without drilling a hole in the rib, the instructions (which haven't been updated form the original lightning) say ohh just try to install screws at a 35 degree angle, yeah just magically do that...
On my hangar 9 yak (also built by CARF, you have to saw out a 4mm think wood brace just to put the elevators in, but don't worry they still put a BS QC sticker saying someone reviewed it).

4, Paint seams on all jets is clearly visible, ok maybe not so bad, but every composite arf plane that I have had painted form the factory has this nice snot colored seam on the fuse and the wings, NICE...

5, Utter ***** 3mm linkages, these are the worst, looks like pot metal pushed through a press, the 3mm rods that carf gives you bend so easily they are worse than the 4-40 rod harden rods that hangar 9 gives you on there 40 sized planes, expect to spend another 30-40 on Steal turnbuckles or other stronger hardware to fix.

There are other issues but those are more specific to each individual aircraft; the above is pretty generic across all of there air frames.

WITH THIS IN MIND, I still think overall Composite Arf makes a great product for good value and that is why I have so many of there planes and I will continue to buy Composite Arf in the future. Compared to other manufacturers there support network is good, Andy Kane is an excellent rep and the overall customer service has been great. The pricing is also very good, slightly more than the Cheap Chinese stuff, but certainly not has high as some premium European companies. Lastly, they are proven air frames so you don't have to worry about them failing out of the sky and if they do they fix these issues very quickly.

So when an Italian made kit comes out, I am expecting to be AT LEAST as good as Composite Arf Plus more, meaning I don't want to see issues that are known with Carf, especially when it priced higher than comp-arf. So hopefully the rebel will have:

1) Proper and clean glue joints (just like my touno)
2) Allow support for all types of servos which can be enlarged to fit JR.
3) No crazy building process and easy access servo doors
4) No paint seams from the mold
5) Good solid hardware.

Originally Posted by Ron S

Thanks for posting pics, RemoteJets (and Alex)! I'm anxiously waiting for my kit to arrive.