Elite Aerosport Rebel Pro Build
07-19-2020, 04:21 PM
#451
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havoc build quality is very nice, but for the money, the CARF is quite good. One thing I would like to see improved is the precision of the cutting and installation of their plywood parts. I had to trim some cutouts to fit the servo, and space servos out to fit the servo horn cutouts. I also found the turbine mount plates not perfectly centered. If I used them as a reference when mounting the turbine the turbine round be crooked in relation to the fuse.
Why they are still milling period instead of laser cutting in current times as these is baffling to me. There are foamy turbine jet mfrs that laser cut their parts...
Why they are still milling period instead of laser cutting in current times as these is baffling to me. There are foamy turbine jet mfrs that laser cut their parts...
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bodywerks (07-19-2020)
07-19-2020, 05:06 PM
#452
More motivation for me! I drove down to visit Roman of Badboyzrc, helped set up ecu(per my request) , and took delivery of serial number 001 of the new Swiwin SW220B! They actually delivered serial number 002 today as well, for another Rebel Pro!
Last edited by bodywerks; 07-19-2020 at 05:12 PM.
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camss69 (07-21-2020)
07-24-2020, 08:48 AM
#459
I'm basically done except for final mounting of the ECU/smoke battery, so curiosity got the best of me. Fuse with everything including tails n wing tube is 25lb 14oz, and both wing panels together weigh 10lb 7oz.
I was hoping for under 36lbs, but 36.5 ain't bad either.
Fuse, rtf with wing tube
Wing panel, rtf. Both weigh this.
I was hoping for under 36lbs, but 36.5 ain't bad either.
Fuse, rtf with wing tube
Wing panel, rtf. Both weigh this.
07-24-2020, 09:02 AM
#460
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I'm basically done except for final mounting of the ECU/smoke battery, so curiosity got the best of me. Fuse with everything including tails n wing tube is 25lb 14oz, and both wing panels together weigh 10lb 7oz.
I was hoping for under 36lbs, but 36.5 ain't bad either.
Fuse, rtf with wing tube
Wing panel, rtf. Both weigh this.
I was hoping for under 36lbs, but 36.5 ain't bad either.
Fuse, rtf with wing tube
Wing panel, rtf. Both weigh this.
07-25-2020, 10:26 AM
#463
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No real answer here, its what ever you prefer, elevator, ailerons, and rudder I used less than 1 in" placement. the flaps I went 1 in" placement of the ballend.
07-25-2020, 07:46 PM
#464
On flap, I used H9 1" arms with the ball link on the inner hole. Using the full 150% travel in both directions, with the linkage forming a straight line between servo spline and control arm at landing flaps I was able to get 54 degrees(comp-arf recommends 60 degrees, Pirotti recommends 90mm so I'm somewhere in between). Not sure on Pirotti rudder since the linkage is higher up. My guess is an SWB 1-1/4" would be fine. On my CARF, I used a 1-1/2".
Last edited by bodywerks; 07-25-2020 at 07:50 PM.
07-28-2020, 10:44 AM
#465
My Rebel is ready for maiden. Was kind of surprised by the weight. I thought the CARF version was going to trend lighter than Pirotti/EA versions(I've read reports of as low as under 35lbs)
I ended up at 36.5lbs with a full uat, but even with my 10.5oz ecu battery all the way in the nose and a liter of fuel in the tank my cg was nearly 20mm behind the wing tube. According to CARF that is fine, but that's probably not a good cg point for maiden, so I strapped a half pound worth of 45 caliber bullets to the ecu battery for maiden. I'm still a couple mm behind the tube, but not bad. Other than a slightly heavier turbine(4.4lbs all up with ecu, wiring, and pump), i couldn't have built it any lighter. No gyro, no gps, no powerbox, only three batteries total.
I ended up at 36.5lbs with a full uat, but even with my 10.5oz ecu battery all the way in the nose and a liter of fuel in the tank my cg was nearly 20mm behind the wing tube. According to CARF that is fine, but that's probably not a good cg point for maiden, so I strapped a half pound worth of 45 caliber bullets to the ecu battery for maiden. I'm still a couple mm behind the tube, but not bad. Other than a slightly heavier turbine(4.4lbs all up with ecu, wiring, and pump), i couldn't have built it any lighter. No gyro, no gps, no powerbox, only three batteries total.
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07-28-2020, 10:57 AM
#468
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Don’t forget you Bullets 
no bullets in the one I build 😂
to be exact....16.88 kg it was uat full (both fuel and smoke) and with fuel in the Main Tank....at the desired C&G
I also put smoke fluid in the tank then empty it since there always a little that stay in the tanks......
just saying for what you have in there it seem heavy...
no bullets in the one I build 😂to be exact....16.88 kg it was uat full (both fuel and smoke) and with fuel in the Main Tank....at the desired C&G
I also put smoke fluid in the tank then empty it since there always a little that stay in the tanks......
just saying for what you have in there it seem heavy...
Last edited by Dansy; 07-28-2020 at 11:00 AM.
07-28-2020, 11:09 AM
#469
Don’t forget you Bullets no bullets in the one I build 😂
to be exact....16.88 kg it was uat full (both fuel and smoke) and with fuel in the Main Tank....at the desired C&G
I also put smoke fluid in the tank then empty it since there always a little that stay in the tanks......
just saying for what you have in there it seem heavy...
no bullets in the one I build 😂to be exact....16.88 kg it was uat full (both fuel and smoke) and with fuel in the Main Tank....at the desired C&G
I also put smoke fluid in the tank then empty it since there always a little that stay in the tanks......
just saying for what you have in there it seem heavy...
I'm not concerned with the weight as far as how light it will 'feel', but until now I don't own a single jet with less than 1:1 thrust at take off
07-28-2020, 07:33 PM
#470
My Rebel is ready for maiden. Was kind of surprised by the weight. I thought the CARF version was going to trend lighter than Pirotti/EA versions(I've read reports of as low as under 35lbs)
I ended up at 36.5lbs with a full uat, but even with my 10.5oz ecu battery all the way in the nose and a liter of fuel in the tank my cg was nearly 20mm behind the wing tube. According to CARF that is fine, but that's probably not a good cg point for maiden, so I strapped a half pound worth of 45 caliber bullets to the ecu battery for maiden. I'm still a couple mm behind the tube, but not bad. Other than a slightly heavier turbine(4.4lbs all up with ecu, wiring, and pump), i couldn't have built it any lighter. No gyro, no gps, no powerbox, only three batteries total.
I ended up at 36.5lbs with a full uat, but even with my 10.5oz ecu battery all the way in the nose and a liter of fuel in the tank my cg was nearly 20mm behind the wing tube. According to CARF that is fine, but that's probably not a good cg point for maiden, so I strapped a half pound worth of 45 caliber bullets to the ecu battery for maiden. I'm still a couple mm behind the tube, but not bad. Other than a slightly heavier turbine(4.4lbs all up with ecu, wiring, and pump), i couldn't have built it any lighter. No gyro, no gps, no powerbox, only three batteries total.
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bodywerks (07-28-2020)
07-29-2020, 12:03 PM
#471
Successful maiden! I would say I could easily go out of sight on a vertical with the sw220b, but it won't accelerate vertical. Honestly, through, it's probably the perfect amount of power. 6 minute flight uses less than half a tank, too.
not sure if the FB link will work, but there wasn't too much exciting stuff on the maiden, anyway. Second flight I got lower and flew faster. Fast passes were teasing the 200mph mark for sure.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00003910756184
not sure if the FB link will work, but there wasn't too much exciting stuff on the maiden, anyway. Second flight I got lower and flew faster. Fast passes were teasing the 200mph mark for sure.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00003910756184
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bodywerks (07-29-2020)
07-29-2020, 12:39 PM
#473
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5 liters would be the perfect size I think for the 200 class motor...
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bodywerks (07-29-2020)
07-29-2020, 01:35 PM
#474
5 liters would be the perfect size, agreed. I only filled mine to about 5.75 liters and was still just under half tank at 6 minutes. With the 220, all flying is half throttle except uplines and high speed passes. Crazy seeing this big jet go by at 195mph!
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laiqalih (09-01-2020)
08-02-2020, 08:56 PM
#475
Here's a youtube link since I know a lot of people don't like FB. I have decided that the jet will get more nose weight in the form of bigger batteries(dual 5200 li-ions) mounted further up with the ECU battery. That and reducing the recommended elevator throw from the recommended 35mm to more like 25mm, as I feel a lot of the 'pitchiness' came from WAY too much elevator throw.