Swiwin turbines ?
01-14-2019, 06:07 AM
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yes but brushed pump breaking is usually only 15-30 min run time at best and this motor in question has 7 hours of good run on it. i can only imagine the battery as the ecu will increase the fuel needed automatically if it thinks the motor needs it to start. but im betting the glow plug is not getting the heat it needs. at start up the battery is taxed with both high glow power for sustained time along with pump and starter
01-14-2019, 09:35 AM
#52
Hi,
You can call me or email me. I service the engines for Swiwin. Please tell me is this an older brushed or newer brushless engine? This does sound like a pump issue as the engines do run well and are consistent running. There are a few things to go through and I don't want to rule out a motor issue because it could also be a motor issue.
My website is CRX Turbines - CRX Turbines or www.swiwinusa.com. both go to the same page. You can reach me at 716-946-7493 or my email address [email protected].
if you have another comparable pump this is something to try and lastly, what pump start voltage are you set to now? if you are getting glow bad consistently then you will need to send this in for repair. Call me...
Andy
You can call me or email me. I service the engines for Swiwin. Please tell me is this an older brushed or newer brushless engine? This does sound like a pump issue as the engines do run well and are consistent running. There are a few things to go through and I don't want to rule out a motor issue because it could also be a motor issue.
My website is CRX Turbines - CRX Turbines or www.swiwinusa.com. both go to the same page. You can reach me at 716-946-7493 or my email address [email protected].
if you have another comparable pump this is something to try and lastly, what pump start voltage are you set to now? if you are getting glow bad consistently then you will need to send this in for repair. Call me...
Andy
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Guys need help here, i have bought a new swiwin sw60 turbine with hsd viper, have only 7 hours on it now...it has started giving me issues, one is hot start, every 4/5 flight is usually hot start becoz my pump pumps up massive fuel during startup which in return overfloods the turbine ending up with fire...and since last 6-8 flights i have noticed whistle like sound when rpm is increased from idle i.e. while its in the bracket of 70,000 to 90,000 it creased a whistle like sound and this sound comes when increasing or decreasing the throttle... today it started showing glowplug bad error on startups..i mean left right and center this turbine is an issue..atleast for me...if anyone would help in getting me the perfect ecu settings for the older swiwin turbine versions..not the brushless ones.
04-29-2019, 04:15 PM
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04-30-2019, 01:59 PM
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The SW45 was the perfect balance for me between thrust, weight and size for the size airframes I enjoy flying most.
05-01-2019, 06:59 PM
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I have over 75 flights on my SW60 and it has never failed to start or run and has been flawless.
Andy at CRX has been awesome and will answer all your questions that you might have.
Fixing to order a 190 from him for another project seeing how reliable my 60 has been.
Andy at CRX has been awesome and will answer all your questions that you might have.
Fixing to order a 190 from him for another project seeing how reliable my 60 has been.
05-02-2019, 07:49 AM
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Swiwin has shelved the 45 for now. Sorry to say this but they have been enmeshed in work on the larger engines such as the 300 and military contracts. I think after things settle down, they will revisit this.
Andy
Andy
Thank you Terry. I appreciate the information. Has the project been shelfed for potential of later release, or has it been completely cancelled without plans to release it?
The SW45 was the perfect balance for me between thrust, weight and size for the size airframes I enjoy flying most.
The SW45 was the perfect balance for me between thrust, weight and size for the size airframes I enjoy flying most.
05-02-2019, 07:59 AM
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I have had some back after 25 hours and more. I think it is too early to tell yet. Swiwin has released many motors since the 60 which has seen a dozen revisions since the initial release. The engines that come back to me are all in very good shape. I work on many different engines. The internal structure of manufacturer A to B to C is not that much different so if you are asking if Swiwin is a good motor, I can honestly say you will save money and they hold together well.
09-02-2019, 04:53 AM
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Does anyone have any idea why my sw12b v3 likes to create a bit of smoke when at idle power? Running with diesel and other engines of mine do not do that .
the engine is practically new.
the engine is practically new.
09-02-2019, 05:09 AM
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Ceeray,
Diesel is inherently dirty in comparison to Kero or JetA. I suggest to try kero to rule out the fuel. next is the oil, mainly how much are you using and what brand?
A few more questions for you:
Andy
CRX Turbines
Diesel is inherently dirty in comparison to Kero or JetA. I suggest to try kero to rule out the fuel. next is the oil, mainly how much are you using and what brand?
A few more questions for you:
- How is the engine running aside from smoking.
- How is fuel consumption
- And finally is the engine popping or is it running smoothly when idling?
Andy
CRX Turbines
09-02-2019, 04:27 PM
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My Swiwin 60 did not like diesel fuel. From day 1 it had idle problems ( would drop below minimum rpm and shut down sometimes) on diesel and after about 15 flights it started to smoke almost like I had a smoke system if it was less that 75% throttle. I was advised to try Kerosene or Jet-A. Switched to Kerosene and it runs wonderful. The idle problem was fixed as well. I now have about 90 flights and it runs great. Try the kerosene with 5% oil.
09-02-2019, 08:00 PM
#67
I do understand that diesel is dirty, but it still doesn’t explain why some of these engines produce so much smoke on diesel when I’ve never seen or heard of another brand doing the same. Any logical explanation of what’s actually happening inside the turbine to cause the smoke and why it would be so different among brands?
09-09-2019, 05:34 PM
#68
Hi Auburn,
I asked you some questions above:
Andy Fioretti
CRX Turbines
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I asked you some questions above:
- How is the engine running aside from smoking.
- How is fuel consumption
- Is the engine popping or is it running smoothly when idling?
Andy Fioretti
CRX Turbines
716-946-7493
I do understand that diesel is dirty, but it still doesn’t explain why some of these engines produce so much smoke on diesel when I’ve never seen or heard of another brand doing the same. Any logical explanation of what’s actually happening inside the turbine to cause the smoke and why it would be so different among brands?
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09-10-2019, 01:33 PM
#69
Oh I don't have one, didn't mean to imply that I did. But I've only witnessed first hand one brand of turbine smoking continuously and only on one type of fuel. i.e. geneh-RCU's comment "it started to smoke almost like I had a smoke system if it was less that 75% throttle. I was advised to try Kerosene or Jet-A. Switched to Kerosene and it runs wonderful." From what I have been told and geneh-RCU confirmed in his reply the engines operate and perform just fine, but again I was just curious from a physical/mechanical standpoint what would be different among brands that would cause the behavior from one and not others.
09-10-2019, 06:05 PM
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Hi Auburn
I did not realize your question is hypothetical but either way, diesel makes more smoke and can be more energetic than kero. I think without conducting some analysis that these are general statements so the answers will be general. In general, diesel makes more smoke and the amount of smoke can differ depending on where you are. Truckers would concur I am sure. But if an engine smokes more than others, I lean toward a problem with that engine. I have one here that was sent to me. It is an older engine. The owner states he can run it on kero but it will not behave on diesel. For this particular case I discovered some of the needles were clogged. If I get too much heat or smoke with any given engine, I lean toward something wrong with that engine, not the brand and not the design. Every engine is a little different. I have four engines here. They are consecutive serial numbers, all made on the same day by the same hands. They all behave a little differently.
I hope this helps.
Andy
I did not realize your question is hypothetical but either way, diesel makes more smoke and can be more energetic than kero. I think without conducting some analysis that these are general statements so the answers will be general. In general, diesel makes more smoke and the amount of smoke can differ depending on where you are. Truckers would concur I am sure. But if an engine smokes more than others, I lean toward a problem with that engine. I have one here that was sent to me. It is an older engine. The owner states he can run it on kero but it will not behave on diesel. For this particular case I discovered some of the needles were clogged. If I get too much heat or smoke with any given engine, I lean toward something wrong with that engine, not the brand and not the design. Every engine is a little different. I have four engines here. They are consecutive serial numbers, all made on the same day by the same hands. They all behave a little differently.
I hope this helps.
Andy
Oh I don't have one, didn't mean to imply that I did. But I've only witnessed first hand one brand of turbine smoking continuously and only on one type of fuel. i.e. geneh-RCU's comment "it started to smoke almost like I had a smoke system if it was less that 75% throttle. I was advised to try Kerosene or Jet-A. Switched to Kerosene and it runs wonderful." From what I have been told and geneh-RCU confirmed in his reply the engines operate and perform just fine, but again I was just curious from a physical/mechanical standpoint what would be different among brands that would cause the behavior from one and not others.
09-11-2019, 10:05 AM
#71
My smoking occurs only with 20% or less throttle. And reducing oil to 3% with diesel helped.. does not bother me as it runs and starts well.
I tried wren turboprop with diesel.. its horrible! Gearbox lubricates with fuel and it is vaporized at exhaust. Basically its like running smoke fluid all the time to exhaust. I have to run it with kero...
my clothes smelled like driving old 2 stroke moped for days..
I tried wren turboprop with diesel.. its horrible! Gearbox lubricates with fuel and it is vaporized at exhaust. Basically its like running smoke fluid all the time to exhaust. I have to run it with kero...
my clothes smelled like driving old 2 stroke moped for days..
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11-16-2019, 06:39 AM
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Swinwin turbines
I've got to hand it to Andy! We met a long time ago when I first started my turbine adventure and Andy has never steered me wrong.
I started with a Jj1400 then to a P70 and moved up by leaps and bounds to a SW190 for my Odyssey sport jet. At first there was a little fear of what I bought but many hours later, I wish I pulled the trigger earlier! Recently I bought an SW80. Another winner! Many hours later and still kicking *****!
If you are apprehensive or fearful about these engines...don't be.
I started with a Jj1400 then to a P70 and moved up by leaps and bounds to a SW190 for my Odyssey sport jet. At first there was a little fear of what I bought but many hours later, I wish I pulled the trigger earlier! Recently I bought an SW80. Another winner! Many hours later and still kicking *****!
If you are apprehensive or fearful about these engines...don't be.
11-16-2019, 08:14 AM
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I've got to hand it to Andy! We met a long time ago when I first started my turbine adventure and Andy has never steered me wrong.
I started with a Jj1400 then to a P70 and moved up by leaps and bounds to a SW190 for my Odyssey sport jet. At first there was a little fear of what I bought but many hours later, I wish I pulled the trigger earlier! Recently I bought an SW80. Another winner! Many hours later and still kicking *****!
If you are apprehensive or fearful about these engines...don't be.
I started with a Jj1400 then to a P70 and moved up by leaps and bounds to a SW190 for my Odyssey sport jet. At first there was a little fear of what I bought but many hours later, I wish I pulled the trigger earlier! Recently I bought an SW80. Another winner! Many hours later and still kicking *****!
If you are apprehensive or fearful about these engines...don't be.
