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Old 11-25-2023, 04:12 PM
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Default Winter or Summer blend diesel fuel for turbine?

Does anyone know if winter blend diesel fuel is better for our turbines? Does it matter?

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Old 11-26-2023, 10:09 PM
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I have no clue, using jet-A and kerosene, diesel was never my fuel of choice except for my truck and I know how dirty it is
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Old 11-28-2023, 04:15 AM
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When i lived in new england they cut the diesel with kero to keep it from gelling in the severe cold weather. I burn only kero as its much cleaner and refined but i would say winter diesel is safe to use.
Old 11-29-2023, 08:46 AM
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When you guys say Kero do you mean like from Home Depot or from a fuel station pump?
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I get kero at the gas station pump, way cleaner than diesel which seems to vary from station to station.
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OK thanks--I have always heard "Pump Kero" is really just Jet A and one station around here told me that Jet A is what they sell as Pump Kero.

I thought that was weird.....
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Originally Posted by AEROSHELDON
OK thanks--I have always heard "Pump Kero" is really just Jet A and one station around here told me that Jet A is what they sell as Pump Kero.

I thought that was weird.....
kerosene typically, even from the pump is fairly low odor. Jet A absolutely reeks, and will stink up anything it touches. They are definitely not the same thing. So unless your kerosene smells really bad, I donít think it could be jet a
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Old 11-29-2023, 11:03 AM
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This ^^

Pump kero is made to run in heaters in your house, try that with JetA and you would stink yourself out.
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Old 11-29-2023, 02:45 PM
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Default Kero

I typically buy it in 5gal containers at Home Depot.
Old 11-30-2023, 08:10 AM
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HD kero is the cleanest Kero you can get ( we started with that fuel in the 2000s ) then we switched to pump Kero then pump Diesel, now we use both from the pump, I prefer Kero, itís cleaner and not so smelly.

I get the farmers Kero from the pump ( cheeper and its red ) I filter it as it goes onto the can and have a paper fuel filter on the can before the pump, even though I filter the fuel going into the can, the paper filter manages to capture some stuff.

Jet A is Kero/Diesel, what it has that Kero and Diesel doesnít is a bunch of additives and I believe that, makes it small so bad 😵‍💫😵‍💫
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Originally Posted by AEROSHELDON
When you guys say Kero do you mean like from Home Depot or from a fuel station pump?
No Jet A in automotive fuel pumps. As mentioned, you could tell by the smell immediately.

Buying Kerosene from Home Depot is a very expensive option. While Kerosend pumps at gas stations are relatively common in the midwest/south, just head to Joe Nall if you do not believe that, you will not find any of them in our neck of the woods, the Rocky Mountains. Nor will you find tinted Kerosene, there is tinted fuel for farmers but it's just tinted diesel not Kerosene.

You can find bulk plants in a lot of places but they are not common. The county I used to live in about 30 miles south of SLC and a population of about 300,000 only had one that I ever found. When I moved to southern Utah, the county only has a population of about 100,000 and it too has only one bulk plant and it took me awhile to find it. The price tag a these places for Kerosene, tends to run about $1.00 a gallon over diesel which is a WHOLE lot better that buying five gallon cans from Home Depot or the like.
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Yeah I found a spot about 1/2 hour from my house and they sell dye-free K1 at the pump, the price today was $5.99 / gallon. I might give it a try.
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Give it a try, it's worth the effort. Once you go to Kerosene, you'll never go back to anything else.
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In the summer, Kero was $2-3 more a gallon in my area. That does not sound like much, until you consider I was going through 5-7 gallons a weekend. It adds up. Yes Kero is cleaner and smells less but diesel is cheaper, more available, uses less turbine oil.
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I think at least Kingtech turbines make more power on diesel. If this is true, I wonder what the draw is to Kero being that diesel is easy to get?
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Diesel is dirty and it stinks. And the quality and qualities from one station to another are inconsistent

And they tell you not to run it on the small turbines. Why? Best guess is it gums up the tiny needle injectors which are more sensitive to it than the larger motors.
Old 12-06-2023, 10:26 AM
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Well, my wife says I smell when i get home for the field. Hopefully she's talking about the diesel smell. lol
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As long as its not someone else's perfume you're fine
Old 12-08-2023, 01:11 AM
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I've been using diesel for years with kt engines, but I agree that what you get at the pump varies greatly. Personally, I notice that winter diesel mix doesn't burn as well when starting up and I get a slight drip that I just can't avoid with my k210. Summer diesel doesn't do that. I've also used diesel that was apparently cut with unleaded gasoline, judging by the greenish color and gasoline-y smell. It also seemed a lot less oily than your average "yellow" diesel.
Old 12-09-2023, 07:00 AM
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Winter diesel has nothing good and useful for turbines…it’s mainly so the diesel doesn’t gel in the tank…..at minus weather…..

When tanking Aircraft with Jet A-1 you can request the additive that does the same think….
Old 12-09-2023, 07:38 AM
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We (myself and CARSII) have a local place that sells dyed Kero at the pump.

On my last two statements they charged me $6.00 a gallon which in CA is within $.40 of diesel prices.

Itís NOT dyed diesel which they have a separate pump for right next to the Kero pump. I ran diesel for the first few years and the Kero doesnít smell anywhere near as much as the diesel.

Didnít have to make any changes to either my KT or SW turbines to run it and they seem to run great on it.
Old 12-09-2023, 10:39 AM
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Any kerosene advertised as K1 or 1K is the type that can safely be used in indoor heaters. It has less sulfur and aromatic content than regular kero. Diesel fuel has even less sulphur content. Sulphur is not good for our engines. This was especially true when combustion cans were stainless steel. When I used gas station pump kero it was 1K. It could be that different parts of the country sell regular kero at the pump.
Old 12-09-2023, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DTH007
Well, my wife says I smell when i get home for the field. Hopefully she's talking about the diesel smell. lol
actually,
diesel works really well at "masking" that extraneous perfume scent, if you ever have the need.

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