beware scam
12-11-2004 | 09:51 AM
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RE: beware scam
Always ask them to wire the money to your account. This is the best method dealing oversea customer you don't know.
Watch this - wire transfer requires you to give your account number and routing number and that is all that is needed to clean out your account.
This is discussed on Clark Howard all of the time - check his site at http://www.clarkhoward.com
Dennis
Watch this - wire transfer requires you to give your account number and routing number and that is all that is needed to clean out your account.
This is discussed on Clark Howard all of the time - check his site at http://www.clarkhoward.com
Dennis
12-11-2004 | 09:52 AM
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RE: beware scam
Account Numbers
I to had a few concerns about this but they were proved by my bank unfounded.
I deal with Bank Of America and someone in Japan wanted to purchase a very highly priced telescope from me. I made a visit to the bank and was assured that it's impossible for anyone to take money out of our account. That the only way it could be done is we setup a transfer on our end. This was researched over a 4 day period and the director of wire transfer services called and confirmed what the local manager had told me.
I to had a few concerns about this but they were proved by my bank unfounded.
I deal with Bank Of America and someone in Japan wanted to purchase a very highly priced telescope from me. I made a visit to the bank and was assured that it's impossible for anyone to take money out of our account. That the only way it could be done is we setup a transfer on our end. This was researched over a 4 day period and the director of wire transfer services called and confirmed what the local manager had told me.
12-11-2004 | 01:51 PM
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RE: beware scam
Good luck - but we have decided to stop the wire transfer stuff after discussing the cases that were discussed on C-Howard show (a financial expert w/ radio show for those who haven't heard of him).
The two shows I heard centered around the 'dead relative scam' - they contact you from overseas (usually) say someone died with your last name, and you are the only heir they can find. Then they get your Acct. # and routing number to transfer the money from the estate to your account - instead they monitor your account via the acct and routing numbers and when it is highest, they withdraw the money.
A quick search on google for routing number scam gave me this one: http://www.traviscu.com/main/scam.asp
scroll down to:
10-24-02: Travis Credit Union Security Department Scam
and: http://www.fraud.org/scamsagainstbus...s/nigerian.htm
scroll down to: Guard your bank account and other financial information carefully
These were just two of the numerous results on this.
In the good ol' days, you took a check - but then they figured out how to rip you off, then it was the bank draft - money order, etc., same deal eventually. Used to ship the stuff with no signature, etc., but no more - the days of honesty are long gone, especially in hobby stuff.
If you have a real crook on your hands, credit cards are problems, but you usually have recourse (as the seller) with them.
Be careful guys - I can tell you some real good ones!
Dennis
The two shows I heard centered around the 'dead relative scam' - they contact you from overseas (usually) say someone died with your last name, and you are the only heir they can find. Then they get your Acct. # and routing number to transfer the money from the estate to your account - instead they monitor your account via the acct and routing numbers and when it is highest, they withdraw the money.
A quick search on google for routing number scam gave me this one: http://www.traviscu.com/main/scam.asp
scroll down to:
10-24-02: Travis Credit Union Security Department Scam
and: http://www.fraud.org/scamsagainstbus...s/nigerian.htm
scroll down to: Guard your bank account and other financial information carefully
These were just two of the numerous results on this.
In the good ol' days, you took a check - but then they figured out how to rip you off, then it was the bank draft - money order, etc., same deal eventually. Used to ship the stuff with no signature, etc., but no more - the days of honesty are long gone, especially in hobby stuff.
If you have a real crook on your hands, credit cards are problems, but you usually have recourse (as the seller) with them.
Be careful guys - I can tell you some real good ones!
Dennis
12-11-2004 | 07:26 PM
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Always ask them to wire the money to your account. This is the best method dealing oversea customer you don't know.
Tam
Always ask them to wire the money to your account. This is the best method dealing oversea customer you don't know.
Tam
12-11-2004 | 10:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: GlennisAircraft
Always ask them to wire the money to your account. This is the best method dealing oversea customer you don't know.
Watch this - wire transfer requires you to give your account number and routing number and that is all that is needed to clean out your account.
Always ask them to wire the money to your account. This is the best method dealing oversea customer you don't know.
Watch this - wire transfer requires you to give your account number and routing number and that is all that is needed to clean out your account.
12-12-2004 | 10:17 AM
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Cost me $5 to open a savings account at one of the local credit unions. I use that account for any transfers or exchanges of large funds, and if anyone here wants the acct and routing number I'll happily give it to you. All your gonna get is $5. Oh, wait, I almost forgot, the Credit Union requires a minimum of $5 to keep the acct open, so you can't even get that without my going in to the office to close the account.
Open a savings acct just for doing business and don't keep any money in it when your not using it.
Jerry N
Open a savings acct just for doing business and don't keep any money in it when your not using it.
Jerry N
12-12-2004 | 10:42 AM
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Some people make a game of scamming the scam artist. They make them go to the expense of actually mailing the phony check and any othe reply that will cost THEM money,
Some of the results are posted at http://www.bustedupcowgirl.com/scampage.html
Some of the results are posted at http://www.bustedupcowgirl.com/scampage.html
12-12-2004 | 03:13 PM
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Cost me $5 to open a savings account at one of the local credit unions. I use that account for any transfers or exchanges of large funds, and if anyone here wants the acct and routing number I'll happily give it to you. All your gonna get is $5.
Hey, I like that one - good thinking - liked the link too.
Dennis
Hey, I like that one - good thinking - liked the link too.
Dennis
04-19-2005 | 02:17 AM
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Since it's been a while now and Aaron has not posted on here the fact that after everything that happened between him and I has been resolved and that I still bought his jet and payed him through paypal eventhough he already had my $2,125.00 bank check that I sent him in his posesion. I'll write a few lines on my behalf since he will not admit that he handled this issue all wrong from the begining and instead of helping me buy his jet he insisted that the bank check was fake!! I was new to RCU at the time and that was my downfall, I had been looking at RCU website for a few months and I never imagined that I had to be a member to make an offer. but I was never intending on scaming him. Recently I purchased another jet from RCpete he's from Canada. A new BVM Aggressor for $2,200.00 and a new JR 10x pcm from Speedrun from Kentucky for $1,000.00 so if you have doubts about my integrity and honesty you find these people on RCU and ask them just how smooth our transactions were and I used Postal Money Orders both times and they never had a problem with them or acused me of trying to scam them with a fake document. they should be rating me pretty soon now. I'm still waiting on both items. Aaron, you had quite a few red flags too. I'll mention just a couple. 1 You had my Bank check and were not returning my calls. 2 One time when you did answer your phone you sounded upset and suddenly hung up on me. I had to put a stop payment on the check after that, remember?? When you finally shipped the jet to me it was sitting at Forward Air's warehouse for 8 days because you did not provide me with a tracking number and to top it off you wrote the wrong phone number on the invoice so they could not call me and tell me that it was there waiting to be picked up. And at the end you call me and ask if I would like to rate you and I declined. I was not about to give you a good rating that you did not deserve. And finally, Yes, I am of Latin decent and proud of it, and I think you are racist eventhough you denie it because if you were not, you would have never mentioned it in your post and after all it was my money that bought your jet not my english.
LuiG
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04-19-2005 | 07:26 AM
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Hey guys i just wanted to drop a quick line and feed this forum a bit with an encounter i JUST finished up TONIGHT. His name on here is LuiG I am selling an F-18 RTF and he was interested, so we talked he changed his prefered payment often throughout a few days asked me for pics etc. I EVEN SENT HIM A COPY OF MY AMA, LISCENSE AND A BUSINESS CARD! My mistake there. Anyways it was selling for 2000.00 and he sent the "Bankers Check" i went opened up a NEW account for it and they said it could take 60-90 days to FULLY clear if you have it checked. WOW!! This would have been the SECOND time ive EVER been scammed the other was the typical i have a friend who owes me money etc. i would have been out 8000.00. And to top this whole thing off the DAY he emailed me with interest was the DAY he joined RCU!! Does that not set up a MAJOR red flag?? ANYONE?? Well i wont keep going but here is a copy of a few of our emails to eachother, he could be legitimate i dont know but i dont really want to take my chances. Ya know what i mean?? Here they are. And one more thing he was of Latin decent (spanish, mexican)?? im not racial but his english really sucked in the first couple emails, look how good he speaks english in the last two. There a little bit upside down because i wrote him and saved my sent messages so youll read my response then his:
Luis,
To me it is seeming that you are the one doing the counterfiting. Why would your RCU account suddenly be opend the DAY of your offer, sounds suspicious doesnt it?? and then you are willing to buy it as fast as you could, PLUS you wanted all this information about me and i sent everything you asked EXCEPT a picture of me which you never stated to say that you wanted one of me and the jet, that would not have been a problem, If i were a thief wouldnt you think that i would have a bad review in the year and a half that i have been on RCU?? Most would think so. When you called me at work i couldnt talk long and i said hey i have to go, so i apoligize for the sudden and abrupt hangup. As for COD with ANY COMPANY here i cannot do that due to the size of the crate i will be building for the jet. And you said you understood that when we talked on the phone a few times ago. And as for depositing the bank i opend up a SPECIAL savings account that i was going to deposit it into and the BANK, NOT A BUDDY, asked what i wanted to do. I could have them research it or just deposit it. There were a few things that made me leary of you and our deal and it was your recent subscription to RCU, the fact that when you sent you Driverse liscense, come on now YOU COULDNT EVEN SEE YOUR FACE!!! and to top it off you wanted to do almost every method of payment in the book, you know it is not hard to do a payment on paypal, and from how your emails sound you DO know how to use computers pretty well, its no harder than running a fax machine. If you call and im not busy or at work i AM willing to talk that is not an issue, so heres what I AM GOING TO DO, i will not send your money order back to you, i will 1 either have you pay through paypal for the jet and ALL MISSUNDERSTANDING WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF SO I KNOW THAT YOU ARE LEGITIMATE, or 2 i will take the money order to the police and have them research it to find out if you are for real or not, 3 we can both get on the phone with you bank and they will allow me to see if the funds are REALLY there, i cannot do this without your personal ok. If you ARE FOR REAL and not trying to screw me over on a counterfit check i will have no problems and do not mean to be rude to you but you do have to admit that there were quite a few red flags on your end that came up. So you tell me what you would like to do and we can go from there. If you do want to pay through paypal i will gladly send your VOIDED check back to you , to get a paypall account just go to paypal, register and you are allowed to do a credit card payment to me there. Or we can get on the phone with your bank and they will allow me to verify that the funds are there and they are legitimate, so let me know and we'll go from there.
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>>>>>Is this F-18 still available?? if it is, I would appreciate a
>>>>>call to this # xxx-xxx-xxxx so I can find out more about it.
>>>>>this is my cell # thanks.
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>>>>>Item Link:
>>>>>http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/ite...0518&cobrand=1
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I dont know about you guys but to me this seemed like a scam waiting to happen what are your guys thoughts?? Or was i just going off the deep end?? Let me know so i dont possibly screw up another sale?? or call me 763-439-1604 Aaron D. Sybrant
Hey guys i just wanted to drop a quick line and feed this forum a bit with an encounter i JUST finished up TONIGHT. His name on here is LuiG I am selling an F-18 RTF and he was interested, so we talked he changed his prefered payment often throughout a few days asked me for pics etc. I EVEN SENT HIM A COPY OF MY AMA, LISCENSE AND A BUSINESS CARD! My mistake there. Anyways it was selling for 2000.00 and he sent the "Bankers Check" i went opened up a NEW account for it and they said it could take 60-90 days to FULLY clear if you have it checked. WOW!! This would have been the SECOND time ive EVER been scammed the other was the typical i have a friend who owes me money etc. i would have been out 8000.00. And to top this whole thing off the DAY he emailed me with interest was the DAY he joined RCU!! Does that not set up a MAJOR red flag?? ANYONE?? Well i wont keep going but here is a copy of a few of our emails to eachother, he could be legitimate i dont know but i dont really want to take my chances. Ya know what i mean?? Here they are. And one more thing he was of Latin decent (spanish, mexican)?? im not racial but his english really sucked in the first couple emails, look how good he speaks english in the last two. There a little bit upside down because i wrote him and saved my sent messages so youll read my response then his:
Luis,
To me it is seeming that you are the one doing the counterfiting. Why would your RCU account suddenly be opend the DAY of your offer, sounds suspicious doesnt it?? and then you are willing to buy it as fast as you could, PLUS you wanted all this information about me and i sent everything you asked EXCEPT a picture of me which you never stated to say that you wanted one of me and the jet, that would not have been a problem, If i were a thief wouldnt you think that i would have a bad review in the year and a half that i have been on RCU?? Most would think so. When you called me at work i couldnt talk long and i said hey i have to go, so i apoligize for the sudden and abrupt hangup. As for COD with ANY COMPANY here i cannot do that due to the size of the crate i will be building for the jet. And you said you understood that when we talked on the phone a few times ago. And as for depositing the bank i opend up a SPECIAL savings account that i was going to deposit it into and the BANK, NOT A BUDDY, asked what i wanted to do. I could have them research it or just deposit it. There were a few things that made me leary of you and our deal and it was your recent subscription to RCU, the fact that when you sent you Driverse liscense, come on now YOU COULDNT EVEN SEE YOUR FACE!!! and to top it off you wanted to do almost every method of payment in the book, you know it is not hard to do a payment on paypal, and from how your emails sound you DO know how to use computers pretty well, its no harder than running a fax machine. If you call and im not busy or at work i AM willing to talk that is not an issue, so heres what I AM GOING TO DO, i will not send your money order back to you, i will 1 either have you pay through paypal for the jet and ALL MISSUNDERSTANDING WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF SO I KNOW THAT YOU ARE LEGITIMATE, or 2 i will take the money order to the police and have them research it to find out if you are for real or not, 3 we can both get on the phone with you bank and they will allow me to see if the funds are REALLY there, i cannot do this without your personal ok. If you ARE FOR REAL and not trying to screw me over on a counterfit check i will have no problems and do not mean to be rude to you but you do have to admit that there were quite a few red flags on your end that came up. So you tell me what you would like to do and we can go from there. If you do want to pay through paypal i will gladly send your VOIDED check back to you , to get a paypall account just go to paypal, register and you are allowed to do a credit card payment to me there. Or we can get on the phone with your bank and they will allow me to verify that the funds are there and they are legitimate, so let me know and we'll go from there.
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>>>>>------------MESSAGE START-------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this F-18 still available?? if it is, I would appreciate a
>>>>>call to this # xxx-xxx-xxxx so I can find out more about it.
>>>>>this is my cell # thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>------------MESSAGE END---------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Item Link:
>>>>>http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/ite...0518&cobrand=1
>>>>>
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I dont know about you guys but to me this seemed like a scam waiting to happen what are your guys thoughts?? Or was i just going off the deep end?? Let me know so i dont possibly screw up another sale?? or call me 763-439-1604 Aaron D. Sybrant
I love this guy!
"im not racial but his english really sucked in the first couple emails, look how good he speaks english in the last two."
I dunno, how WELL does he speak english? Well enough to use PUNCTUATION, CAPITAL LETTERS, SENTENCES, and PARAGRAPHS? Better than YOU?
Sounds like you don't have a clue of what you are talking about, scam-wise, AND...
You owe this guy a big apology.
There is a lot of gross misinformation on this thread.
One guy who really knows what he is talking about is Tam. Listen to him. He knows.
Wire transfer? Safe. Sorry.
"Don't give ANYONE your account numbers!"
False. Sorry. Nobody can "clear out your account" just by having your account number. Your account number is on every check you give out. Don't beleive EVERYTHING you hear on that stupid, stupid AM radio. The Clark Schmendrick Show or whatever. Did you know Rush Limbaugh was on drugs? Kind of changes everything, no? I used to have a drunken uncle who went on and on like that guy, but we were not dumb enough to take anything he said seriously! He died when he was getting a drink from the sink in the basement, he banged his head on the faucet, knocked himself out, and drowned. No lie!
04-19-2005 | 09:33 AM
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Won't work for retailers, sorry guys, but for individuals who just buy and sell occassionally this works great.
I have a seperate savings acct at a credit union that's not attached to my regular acct, not even the same credit union, and it has the minimum $5 in it just to keep it open. When I buy or sell something I use this acct for transfers and if someone tries to clean out that acct, good luck, there's usually a whole $5 in it and you have to go there in person to close the acct.
I have a seperate savings acct at a credit union that's not attached to my regular acct, not even the same credit union, and it has the minimum $5 in it just to keep it open. When I buy or sell something I use this acct for transfers and if someone tries to clean out that acct, good luck, there's usually a whole $5 in it and you have to go there in person to close the acct.
