Hello,

First of all, I'm not here to start a flame war or a one brand is better than the other . I'm just trying to understand why so many jet flyer's's are using the 10x. I understand the ease of use, but what I'm more interested in is the choice of features that you actually utilized in setting up the plane and what in flight features that are not available or better over the other radios. I understand the addition of a 10th channel. What is the 10th channel used for? I'm just trying to get a non-biased view on this radio over the others. To me it seems most people choose the 10x cause it's easy to program has a 10th channel and they are partial to JR. I would like to see past these and get to the details.

I know this has been addressed before, but I have read them and most just run amuck and loose focus. So, I hope this thread proves useful and maintains professionalism.

They also make the most used and best servos for jets, the 8411. Servos are very important for jets, so along with what you already mentioned this makes the choice a easy one. Price is the only draw back its not cheap....

Shawnusa,
I was in the same boat a few years ago when I decided to turbinize

I got a JR 8103 8 ch with a 950S 10 channel receiver. Now after a year of turbine flying I whish I would have gone to the 10X right away as I am wanting to add smoke to my Roo and I am out of channels on the TX.

2 channels for wings
1 channel for rudders
1 channel for nose gear steering and gyro (diddn't want gyro on rudders, also makes trimming the nose gear a lot easier, just move the trim tab and the wheel trims but the russers do not)
1 channel for throttle
1 for retracts
1 for airbrake
1 for wheel brakes

So you see I whish I had just one more channel or maybe even 2. 1 for smoke and if I had another one I could use a crow mix on the rudders to have them both go out on landing. Wouldn't probably do much in the way of drag but it wold be cool.

Do yourself a favor and get a 9 or 10 Ch radio. It sucks to be 1 channel short


Randy

I have heard from a few Jet people that the 8411 has been showing some problems with sudden failure. However, not to bash there other servos though I agree they are key to any plane. Still, leaving out the servos as you can technically use them with any radio system. I'm looking for the functionality aspect of the radio it's self. What is used on the 10x that others can not do?

See, I'm ready to buy a quality radio and price is not a issue. I'm just torn between the 10x and the WC2. Both radios are clearly quality units and offer a few differences. Some minor and some more pronounced. I just need a clear explanation as to why the 10x is more so used. There must be some sort of feature or option that makes it more widely used with the Jet arena besides personnel prefrence. What am I missing here? 1 added channel can not make that big a difference can it? With the release of the Matchbox using separate channels for dual servos has been simplified.

Shawnusa

Shawn, do not forget to check out the Multiplex Profi 4000. 12 fully proportional equal channels available with the 12 channel IPD receiver (and LEGALLY type certified by the FCC for the USA). I have been flying this radio for 1.5 years now and it is top notch with far more flexibilty in the programming than the others. And, of course, you can use any servos you want.

Or he could get a JecCat and would not need that extra channel for smoke

I bought a 10X for only one reason. The 10th Channel. I actually have not used this transmitter much but there are a few items I did not like. I have always used Futaba and my favorite is the 8UAFS. I haven't tried to do so yet but I am told that with the 10X you do not have the option of assigning any function to any switch. On the 8UAFS any function can be assigned to any switch (or knob). On the 10X, the throttle trim is not digital, on the 8UAFS all 4 stick function trims are digital. No one so far has given me a compelling reason for the throttle trim on the 10X to remain a manual slide switch. I don't understand these differences on the 10X. Maybe someone with more experience will jump in and give a reasonable explanation.

I believe the first JR radio to go with digital trims was the 8103DT. There was a massive outcry against having a digital trim for throttle and JR listened..... all new models have analog throttle trims.

BTW, I prefer analog throttle trims for the same reasons cited at the time.
- Better visible trim location feedback
- better tactile trim location feedback
- faster response
etc. etc.....

and my primary reason: optimal idle changes with environmental conditions (altitude, humidity etc.). Having a pre-programmed idle position just doesn't cut it for me.

And before you get onto the FUtaba throttle cut switch thingy, I don't want another switch for this trivial one purpose, I have enough now! Switches are for more dynamic needs like mixes, rates, flight modes etc.

Why the 10x... My reason was for a plane that needed 10 channels. Multiplex was the first choice, but I will wait for the new box design.

1 steering
1 throttle
1 mixture
2 ailerons
1 elevator
1 flaps
1 rudder
1 retracts
1 brakes

Mark M.

Mine are filled as well
Elevon's 2
rudder 1
steering 1
throttle 1
aux for turbine 1
speed brake 1
wheel brakes 1
retracts 1

I could combine steering and rudder but don't want to at this time. I also could free up the aux channel but I like the stock JetCat setups

The biggest reason people use the 10X I think is in fact the 10 channels. Futaba makes good radios as well, but in an arena where every channel counts, the 10X just has that slight edge right away. The 10X is also incredibly simple to program for most applications.

Also.. I'm not sure where the rumor of 8411 failures has come from but this is the 1st I've heard of it and I try to keep on top of this stuff as much as possible. I personally have been using 8411's since before they were available to the general public and have NEVER had one fail at all, and I've abused them more than any jet (except maybe the FC Mig-29) ever could in my 40% aerobatic airplanes.

Doug Cronkhite
Team JR

Without starting a radio war-it is the BEST radio for ducted fan and turbine flying- JR=Jet Radio




Jackjet

10X

I like the ease of programming, and like the shape and feel of the radio of the Multiplex.

I use consistently all 10 channels, and could use several more if I could get them.

Phantom

ailerons
rudder mixed to nosegear
throttle
elevator
nosegear steering on a seperate channel so it can be fine tuned
gyro gain adjustment
brakes
retracts
flaps
nose gear strut (operates and air valve for extending length of strut) mixed to throttle so that if I am over 1/2 throttle and gear is down it is activated.
I need another channel for my chute but will probably use the nosegear channel with a mechanical setup on the servo

I am using 4 or 5 mixes with it. I use servo slow feature on flaps, and speedbrakes usually. I use the landing mixes. I have used the wing type setups for flaperons, elevons, and quad flaps. I have used the v-tail setup as well. I also use the throttle curve to make my throttle response more linear to the actual thrust of my engines.

And the number one reason why I don't fly Futaba is that 15 years ago I used to fly Futaba and I crashed several planes due to radio problems. This I am sure is a non issue but when I changed I never went back.

David Reid

It's still early to tell, but from what I'm reading is that for the few that have responded are using a channel per control surface on some, and using a separate channel for steering. Seems to me that the Matchbox could handle these with ease( As what it was intended for). Still I have to ask what is special about the 10x? I'm not to argue the extra channel, but still looking for those posts that explain the better features of the 10x that are used and not offered by the WC2.

Guys on the Multiplex units. As I do applicate the info and awareness of these radios, I'm not comfortable with the lack of local experience and use of these systems in my area. I do not question the diversity these radios offer, but I'm willing to admit that I'm just not ready to tackle one of these systems at this time.

And guys, please keep it civil. I'm here to find help from all that are willing to share. I listen to all and learn what I can.

Shawnusa

UFO,No personal attacks.Your post's will of course be edited and deleted where necessary.If you and BKF have some personality issues,I suggest you two keep the bickering on the back channels.

Sorry Mr. Moderator. I will go back to lurking.

UFO back in lurking mode.

Shawn,

I am not sure what else you might be looking for. I have been flying JR for close to 15 years now. I have not really looked back since switching. My biggest issue of late has been the 10 channels, if I could get more I would but I don't like the feel of the Multiplex I like the ergonomic cases of the JR or from what I have seen the Futaba. There are a lot of features of the 10X that I have used in various jets, and prop planes that I use and don't really even think about. I have just started playing around with the flight modes and it is really powerfull some of the stuff you can do with the radio.

I could not tell you one feature that the Futaba has. I did help a guy setup an engine with a Futaba 8 channel and I did not like the digital throttle, I also did not like his seperate throttle kill switch that could get bumped in flight and kill his engine.


David Reid

I also like to hear opinions from people that are actually flying and heavily using the different brands of radios. I would love to hear what a Futaba has to offer, if anything over the JR.

David

That was exactly my point. Sorry but I could not resist. .

Nuff said and back to my lurking mode.

how many times can I make the point of keeping things civil here?

My reason for using a JR10 is it has 10 fully proportional channels.

Obviously, there are way more "configurations" to a jet than I thought. Some of which I think the Matchbox can handle others that it can not. It appears that the 10th channel is almost mandatory?

Well, even though I like the two features of Futaba, being the Synthesized TX module (Could save a bundle on TX modules) and the ability to assign switches to any thing. These are just luxuries and not necessities. After reading this and speaking to fellow flier's I think the JR 10x will be the wiser choice in the end. If not, I bet it would be easy to sell .

Sum up reason to own

10 channels
Analog trim
Easy of programming
3 year warranty
Large presence in the Jet community - Fellow flier support on radio

Does that sum it?

Shawn,

The reason I don't like Y-harnesses is when I set up a plane I use a servo-cisor to get all of my servos centered. I can then fine tune if the surface is on a separate channel. Besides it is one less point of failure. In the example above, I could use one Y and add smoke, a drop tank etc. Why would I want to spend $70 for everyone one my planes to add extra channels (matchbox) when I can just get a radio with the necessary capacity and ability to adjust AT THE RADIO.

Honestly, the question you should be asking is "WHY NOT A 10X (or comparible 9/10+ channel radio)" ? It's interesting your post asked why we were using this radio and your response starts to draw comparisons to the Futaba. These are two different subjects.

Mark M.

Ok....
I'm a futaba flier and I am currently using the new 9C. I love the radio and all the features it provides along with the incredibly simple programing. I will agree, It would be nice to have 10 channels! I certainly could find use for a 10th even an 11th channel but with the type of planes I fly it is not essential. If you are in the market for a new radio and plan on using it for jets, get the 10x. The versatility of having the extra channel will pay off in the long run. Yes, the matchbox will resolve some issues and possibly free up a channel for you but in most cases it wont.

.02 from a Futaba Guy!
Todd

So far, no one has answered the original poster's question about what is unique about the 10X, other than the number of channels, that sets it apart from all the others. So, what is it that is unique about the 10X?

I won't knock the 10X since I own one and as yet have little experience with it. I do note, however, that from all of the above posts, that my Futaba FP8UAFS will do all of the things mentioned for the 10X except, again, duplicate it's number of channels.

Bumping a kill switch will not shut down an engine at idle or any other throttle setting. You have to hold the switch deflected a few seconds before it will "kill" an engine and it only kills an engine which has been brought down to idle. After a number of years of using the Futaba "Kill switch", I would not be without one. By the way, the 10X also has the engine kill ability. A buddy who uses the 10X has his programmed to a button on the top left of his transmitter.

Does anyone know for sure why JR does not allow the re-assignment of switches?

One more time, what is unique about the 10X that sets it apart from all the rest?

Guys,

In trying to make a good decision on what radio to buy I have to look and comapare. One way is to ask why you choose the 10x as it seems to be the most used system in the Jet arena. I was gearing my questions as not to get a biased opinion and more of a I use X feature for use on X setup and Y radio does not offer this. The only reason I bring up Futaba as it is that its the only other Hi-end radio I'm considering at this time. So, in sum yes I'm camparing and more so looking for the details of what is used on the 10x that the WC2 cannot do. So far it's the 10th channel. I do appricate your input in this. There is no hidden agenda. Just seeking experienced input.

Shawn